trparkyYeah, but every time Microsoft changes something, ExplorerPatcher breaks and not in a very nice way. Often it leaves people with a black screen upon user logon and no way to fix things. OK, StartAllBack may cost $10 but it's worth every penny and then some.

It doesnt occur to you that because you 'must' keep up to date, you are investing more of your time and resources to keep things running as you want them? 10 bucks to 'fix' things an updated OS breaks feels to me like a fool's errand.

My best practice is maximum delay on updates - the ones you do need directly are still delivered, but W10 major version updates are on a year delay. I always get fully fixed versions by the time they arrive, and all software is adjusted to them as well.

mechtechYes by anyone who takes the time to read/dig a bit. But for the majority of people.
They give up/quit when they see this screen

when they see this they should be happy when they have old school hardware and limited resources

ThrashZoneHi,
Key is not to update bud or at the very least have a system image before manually updating
This is basic old school shit, what you on auto updating :eek:

But in any case any third party ware would be broken including startallback eventually no need to get mad are you on commission ?

The irony is strong here. You want to be on the latest and most up-to-date OS but you can't auto-update with the workaround :D

Dirt ChipIs there a way to upgrade an sandy-bridge i5-2400 system to win 11?
Do you recommend?

Hi,
Sure mount an older win-11 iso without internet.
www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/windows-11-tpm-requirement-bypass-it-in-5-minutes.287584/

Heidoc.net

Dirt ChipIs there a way to upgrade an sandy-bridge i5-2400 system to win 11?

Yes, see ThrashZone's reply.

Dirt ChipDo you recommend?

No.

Vayra86It doesnt occur to you that because you 'must' keep up to date, you are investing more of your time and resources to keep things running as you want them? 10 bucks to 'fix' things an updated OS breaks feels to me like a fool's errand.

My best practice is maximum delay on updates - the ones you do need directly are still delivered, but W10 major version updates are on a year delay. I always get fully fixed versions by the time they arrive, and all software is adjusted to them as well.

This is a good idea and one that I follow on my main personal use pc (my laptop. Intel) but with having more than one pc I like to have one upto date on 11 so I am exposed to it and absolutely able to use it later IF my company adopted it, they haven't yet so I have 3 on ten and my main rig on 11.
My main rig is always the one to be messed with too so it's actually most convenient as a Test bed.

Chrispy_The irony is strong here. You want to be on the latest and most up-to-date OS but you can't auto-update with the workaround :D

Hi,
Not sure I'd say one can't auto update manual updating has worked each time I've used it
But as it states auto updating windows could/ would install updates at anytime and likely before you'd have time to system image first
So you'd likely be up shit creek and maybe relying on a old system image so very sticky :laugh:

ThrashZoneHi,
Not sure I'd say one can't auto update manual updating has worked each time I've used it
But as it states auto updating windows could/ would install updates at anytime and likely before you'd have time to system image first
So you'd likely be up shit creek and maybe relying on a old system image so very sticky :laugh:

Having a backup process mitigates any issues here, I could wipe any rig I own and not loose a moment's kip.
Of course, freshing up a pc isn't a joy but it also is then a new clean and clear is, which is quite nice in itself.
On all my PC, auto update is on and only once has it deleted my whole world, not great but that's 20 plus years so not that bad either.

TheoneandonlyMrKHaving a backup process mitigates any issues here, I could wipe any rig I own and not loose a moment's kip.
Of course, freshing up a pc isn't a joy but it also is then a new clean and clear is, which is quite nice in itself.
On all my PC, auto update is on and only once has it deleted my whole world, not great but that's 20 plus years so not that bad either.

Hi,
10-11 home was made for you two fellows :laugh:

ThrashZoneHi,
10-11 home was made for you two fellows :laugh:

Nah always pro , I am never buying into home's limited nature.

Vayra86My best practice is maximum delay on updates - the ones you do need directly are still delivered, but W10 major version updates are on a year delay. I always get fully fixed versions by the time they arrive, and all software is adjusted to them as well.

Do you seriously think that I run the beta and alpha versions? Nope, I'm not that stupid. When I talk about "Between Second Tuesday Updates" I refer to updates like this... July 21, 2022—KB5015882 (OS Build 22000.832) Preview (microsoft.com)

Even with those "Preview Updates" I've yet to run into anything that was a show stopping bug. Yet, if you go over to BetaNews.com and you peruse their site, the whole damn site is full of people complaining about how the update sent their systems into BSODs, constant program crashing, etc. while I sit back and wonder what the fuck these people are doing to their systems to cause such absolute instability while I generally have no issues whatsoever.

Seriously. What the fuck are these people doing that are causing so many issues for them? Is it hardware? Are they using the cheapest hardware they can get their hands on? Do they have an unstable overclock that they just won't admit to? I'd love to know the damn answer because holy shit do these people complain.

For instance... Microsoft rolls back KB5014668 update for Windows 11 because it broke the Start menu (betanews.com)

Where? I have no issues yet, here we are, an article that states that people are having issues. WTF! I'd love to know what the hell people are doing to their systems to cause these kinds of issues.

Dirt ChipIs there a way to upgrade an sandy-bridge i5-2400 system to win 11?
Do you recommend?

No. You need to do a fresh install with an ISO that has the bypass applied. Upgrades do not work. Backup your files, do a fresh install.

Dirt ChipDo you recommend?

I do. There are those, as you can see above, who do not.

I dont know if its been mentioned in this thread but directstorage will work on both 10 and 11, but on 10 the libraries will need to be distributed with the game.

An i5-2400? No offense but it's time to upgrade. You can't even use NVMe SSDs on the platform.

trparkyDo you seriously think that I run the beta and alpha versions? Nope, I'm not that stupid. When I talk about "Between Second Tuesday Updates" I refer to updates like this... July 21, 2022—KB5015882 (OS Build 22000.832) Preview (microsoft.com)

Even with those "Preview Updates" I've yet to run into anything that was a show stopping bug. Yet, if you go over to BetaNews.com and you peruse their site, the whole damn site is full of people complaining about how the update sent their systems into BSODs, constant program crashing, etc. while I sit back and wonder what the fuck these people are doing to their systems to cause such absolute instability while I generally have no issues whatsoever.

Seriously. What the fuck are these people doing that are causing so many issues for them? Is it hardware? Are they using the cheapest hardware they can get their hands on? Do they have an unstable overclock that they just won't admit to? I'd love to know the damn answer because holy shit do these people complain.

For instance... Microsoft rolls back KB5014668 update for Windows 11 because it broke the Start menu (betanews.com)

Where? I have no issues yet, here we are, an article that states that people are having issues. WTF! I'd love to know what the hell people are doing to their systems to cause these kinds of issues.

Oh but in that sense you have an ally in me, I also strongly believe users make Windows usage way too complicated for their own good, a lot of antivax-level wisdom in those circles ;) The difference is though, I also believe any kind of 'StartBetter.exe' category app is in a way, part of that crowd. You're band-aiding things that will eventually be just fine. Windows 10 start menu as it is now, is fine. Because of user feedback. Not because of StartBetter ;) 11's is an absolute atrocity. No 11 for me, simple, and that IS user feedback.

Certainly, it is true MS knows better than its userbase in terms of OS stability and overall performance. But it is also true we are unpaid beta testers. The two aren't mutually exclusive :D And let's be real here, there is no way in hell you are going to hit every use case in your own usage of the OS.

For my own situation, I ran into Windows update breaking games once, and it was the one time I figured I'd stay up to date and see what would happen. Total War Warhammer 2 got broken by update and it took dev patching to fix it. Sucks if that's what you were going to fire up that night, which I was. That only confirmed everything my gut always told me: maximum delay, or only update if things break. Prior to it, every tiny share of early adopting I experienced in my life, be it a PS3, Windows Vista, domotica devices, or any other thing in software anywhere you go... was a disaster, and never really paid off in my mind in any way shape or form. Even in games, 'being first' is really not more fun than 'being later', but 'being later' certainly guarantees you're not on the leash of a developer pushing out his post-release bug fixing. Heck, even my EV, a VW ID3 Pro, got delivered in Jan 2021 with a 'we're not finished' version of the 'OS' on it, go figure... car's been out a full year back then, and I wasn't early adopting a Tesla for damn sure... And even there, I met quite a few computer errors in its time before the 'good version' was rolled out. Nothing game breaking, but it certainly creates a frown or two when half the detection systems in the car suddenly just crash.

My gaming literally got ten times better when I started sticking rigorously to a 'I'll buy this when its feature complete' principle. I bought Pathfinder Kingmaker when it got into the def. editions and it was a blast. Steam however is full of first experiences that 'do not recommend'. The same happened with the sequel. Looking forward to playing that when they're actually done with it :)

EDIT: OK done ninja editing sorry

trparkyAn i5-2400? No offense but it's time to upgrade.

That's not your decision to make. An i5-2400 is still a reasonably performing CPU, even for some gaming. I run Win11 on an i3-2310 and it runs fine.

trparkyYou can't even use NVMe SSDs on the platform.

Not everyone cares about NVMe. SATA still works well.

tparky, you are making suggestions from an elitist perspective. Not everyone has that perspective.

trparkyAn i5-2400? No offense but it's time to upgrade. You can't even use NVMe SSDs on the platform.

I will upgrade in due time (intel 13 or amd 7000) but one can always use an old, fully functional, PC for many uses.
With win 11 you are sure to get all the security patch for good 10 years or so.

lexluthermiesterThat's not your decision to make. An i5-2400 is still a reasonably performing CPU, even for some gaming. I run Win11 on an i3-2310 and it runs fine.

Not everyone cares about NVMe. SATA still works well.

tparky, you are making suggestions from an elitist perspective. Not everyone has that perspective.

Rocking an i7-2600 at work still. I need it to run powershell, putty, and a browser. It is, with the exception of a NUC running a CNC machine, the shittiest PC in the office and it's still overkill.