Thursday, December 9th 2021

Intel CEO Writes Opinion Piece on CNN Asking For Government Support

Not content with his speech at Fortune Brainstorm Tech conference—Intel's CEO—Pat Gelsinger has now written an opinion piece on CNN where he's telling the US congress that it must pass the CHIPS for America Act. It's quite bold for a CEO of any company to make such demands, least not for one that has been less than a year in the position.

The CHIPS Act involves US$52 billion earmarked for chip makers who are willing to produce chips on US soil, although as we already know, Gelsinger wants the bulk of that to go to US companies. To try and win over the House, his opinion piece on CNN is trying to win over the hearts and minds of the US senators by pitching all the positive things that will happen if Intel gets more money than its competitors.
The first selling point is a bit ridiculous, as he claims that each person that is hired by Intel, creates up to another 13 American jobs, although all these jobs are apparently in the services and supply business at other companies, not at Intel. This is supposedly because when Intel builds a fab, it's like building a small city, so in other words, if you build it, they will come seems to be the reasoning here.

The second argument is about how it's not profitable for US companies to manufacture semiconductors domestically, which again seems like a very odd reasoning, since if that was true, how come Intel is still in business, considering they're the largest semiconductor manufacturer in the US. Someone at Intel has worked out that US foundries have a 30 percent cost disadvantage versus Asian based foundries, which may or may not be true. Regardless, he goes on to further state that the US has gone from making 37 percent to only 12 percent of all semiconductors in the world from 1990 to 2020, with Europe dropping from 44 percent to a mere 9 percent in the same time period. As such, the US government should step up and help balance things, if for no other reason than the fact that the EU has agreed on its own Chips Act.

Gelsinger also seems to be upset that the PRC is planning to invest US$150 billion in its local semiconductor industry over an unspecified time period. He seems to have missed the fact that the PRC is investing more heavily than initially planned due to the various US trade embargos that are in place, which makes it impossible for local companies to manufacture semiconductors in other countries. Even Intel itself has fabs in the PRC and other nations as well, but this is apparently of no importance when asking the government for money.

The only really valid point in his opinion piece is that the current supply chains aren't working when there's a big hiccup and this should be the real reason why semiconductor manufacturing should be spread out globally, as almost everything relies on some form of semiconductors these days. However, this seems more of an issue where various governments should try to win over the semiconductor manufacturers to open fabs in their countries, rather than the US government handing over a bunch of cash to Intel, which isn't likely to change the current situation very much, as Intel is the one company that seems to have the leas supply issues.

As a side note, 90 year old TSMC founder Morris Chang mentioned that Gelsinger is too old to be likely to be able to see the changes he's put in motion at Intel through, due to the fact that Intel has a mandatory retirement age of 65, with Gelsinger already being 60. Time will tell how things play out, but five years isn't a lot of time in the grand scheme of things.
Sources: CNN, Taiwan News
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89 Comments on Intel CEO Writes Opinion Piece on CNN Asking For Government Support

#1
RedBear
As a side note, 90 year old TSMC founder Morris Chang mentioned that Gelsinger is too old to be likely to be able to see the changes he's put in motion at Intel through, due to the fact that Intel has a mandatory retirement age of 65, with Gelsinger already being 60. Time will tell how things play out, but five years isn't a lot of time in the grand scheme of things.
So it looks like "TSMC does not speak ill of other companies in the industry", but it can "speak ill "of other companies CEOs at will. Very classy.

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Gelsinger also seems to be upset that the PRC is planning to invest US$150 billion in its local semiconductor industry over an unspecified time period. He seems to have missed the fact that the PRC is investing more heavily than initially planned due to the various US trade embargos that are in place, which makes it impossible for local companies to manufacture semiconductors in other countries.
I don't think he has missed anything, it was the US government that has created this situation, thus the US governement should help its own local industries in facing the consequences of the trade wars. Incidentally Intel wanted to increase production in China and the White House stopped them. Some kind of reparation is in order.
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#2
TheLostSwede
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RedBearSo it looks like "TSMC does not speak ill of other companies in the industry", but it can "speak ill "of other companies CEOs at will. Very classy.
He's no longer with the company and doesn't speak on behalf of the company.
I'm also not sure how this is speaking ill of someone, he simply stated that five years isn't likely to be enough time to transform Intel into whatever Gelsinger has in mind.
This is an Intel corporate issue that could easily be resolved if they change their mandatory retirement age.
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#3
Daven
Intel is no longer on top and is unable to compete from a second or third tier position. Capitalism says they should get smaller and or go out of business if they cannot make enough profit to stay in business or grow. A company that used anti competitive techniques bordering on criminal behavior in the past should not get one iota of help from anyone. I hate too big to fail and society has voted with its dollars to uplift Intel’s competitors for making better products. Therefore Intel lost its dominate position and rightfully so. Now we are gonna have to vote in elections to make sure they don’t get government bailouts for their poor business decisions and executive golden parachutes.
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#4
Ravenas
Why should we subsidize Intel? I just don't see the overall plan panning out, they are unable to capitalize fab advancement due to their 12% world market position. They can't dominate the chip market based solely on their own architecture and designs. The need to sell their fabs out.

TSMC is selling their FABs out. Why doesn't Intel do the same? AMD already went through all of this, went on the verge of bankruptcy, sold their fabs, and went fabless. Intel needs to decide what they want to do.
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#5
RedBear
TheLostSwedeI'm also not sure how this is speaking ill of someone, he simply stated that five years isn't likely to be enough time to transform Intel into whatever Gelsinger has in mind.
I'm also not sure how describing the precarious geopolitical situation of Taiwan counts as speaking ill, that's why I used quotation marks, but it seems to count as that according to you, a lot of people around the internet and TSMC.
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#6
Hipster
Mark LittleIntel is no longer on top and is unable to compete from a second or third tier position. Capitalism says they should get smaller and or go out of business if they cannot make enough profit to stay in business or grow. A company that used anti competitive techniques bordering on criminal behavior in the past should not get one iota of help from anyone. I hate too big to fail and society has voted with its dollars to uplift Intel’s competitors for making better products. Therefore Intel lost its dominate position and rightfully so. Now we are gonna have to vote in elections to make sure they don’t get government bailouts for their poor business decisions and executive golden parachutes.
Relying on China for foundries is a terrible strategic decision and that is exactly why Intel will get all of our money. I'm not sure what you mean by 'Intel is no longer on top,' because they're doing quite well. Third tier? Behind what? Qualcomm? Where's their 50% marketshare? Of course a company like Intel doesn't really need a bailout at all, but they see the climate and believe they can get something. And the government loves to give out bailouts, I don't see that stopping any time soon.
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#7
RandallFlagg
RavenasWhy should we subsidize Intel? I just don't see the overall plan panning out, they are unable to capitalize fab advancement due to their 12% world market position. They can't dominate the chip market based solely on their own architecture and designs. The need to sell their fabs out.

TSMC is selling their FABs out. Why doesn't Intel do the same? AMD already went through all of this, went on the verge of bankruptcy, sold their fabs, and went fabless. Intel needs to decide what they want to do.
Intel is planning to do that, when you see the acronym IDM that is what it is about. They already have a 16nm fab in Ireland that is supposed to be doing work for Qualcomm in 2022.
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#8
TheLostSwede
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RedBearI'm also not sure how describing the precarious geopolitical situation of Taiwan counts as speaking ill, that's why I used quotation marks, but it seems to count as that according to you, a lot of people around the internet and TSMC.
I think you're missing the issue here. Intel's CEO has quite a lot of responsibility as the CEO over the world's biggest x86/x64 CPU manufacturer and as a CEO you don't go out an trash a whole nation on some kind of tech conference, just because you're trying to win over support to your cause. How many other US or otherwise CEO's have you seen that have gone out and told an audience outside their company that a certain country is unstable and it might be a good idea to avoid making investments there, then turns around and sends over a team to negotiate with the biggest semiconductor manufacturer in that nation?
It's tactless at best and it's really kind of silly when Intel wants to make certain products at TSCM in Taiwan.

As for the rest of it, if this is his way of trying to convince US politicians, then that's up to him, but it doesn't look like the smartest plan to get money from the government.
Mark LittleIntel is no longer on top and is unable to compete from a second or third tier position. Capitalism says they should get smaller and or go out of business if they cannot make enough profit to stay in business or grow. A company that used anti competitive techniques bordering on criminal behavior in the past should not get one iota of help from anyone. I hate too big to fail and society has voted with its dollars to uplift Intel’s competitors for making better products. Therefore Intel lost its dominate position and rightfully so. Now we are gonna have to vote in elections to make sure they don’t get government bailouts for their poor business decisions and executive golden parachutes.
Apparently both the Democrats and Republicans are largely in favour of the CHIPS Act, so it might not matter which way you vote.
RavenasWhy should we subsidize Intel? I just don't see the overall plan panning out, they are unable to capitalize fab advancement due to their 12% world market position. They can't dominate the chip market based solely on their own architecture and designs. The need to sell their fabs out.

TSMC is selling their FABs out. Why doesn't Intel do the same? AMD already went through all of this, went on the verge of bankruptcy, sold their fabs, and went fabless. Intel needs to decide what they want to do.
The longer term plan seems to be for Intel to start their own foundry business and produce chips for third parties. However, that's not something you do overnight, especially when the tools for designing chips on your nodes aren't available to your potential customers in the same way they are for customers of TSMC, Samsung, UMC of GloFo.

TSMC aren't selling any fabs, as that's their bread and butter, they don't actually have a product of their own, they offer a service to all the fabless chip makers.
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#9
RandallFlagg
HipsterRelying on China for foundries is a terrible strategic decision and that is exactly why Intel will get all of our money. I'm not sure what you mean by 'Intel is no longer on top,' because they're doing quite well. Third tier? Behind what? Qualcomm? Where's their 50% marketshare? Of course a company like Intel doesn't really need a bailout at all, but they see the climate and believe they can get something. And the government loves to give out bailouts, I don't see that stopping any time soon.
Intel hasn't failed in a level market. Taiwan built up its semi industry largely by lowering corporate tax rate to 1.5% for its semi industry, among other things in particular buildout of infrastructure to support that industry.

Most of the semi industry in China is state sponsored / owned, in particular SMIC.

It seems to me a lot of people from China and Taiwan on this thread are upset that maybe Intel and a few others will get some state help to bring semi manufacturing back into the US and EU.

It's notable that while that view is probably beneficial to Taiwan and China, it probably is not beneficial to the US or EU.
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#10
DeathtoGnomes
CNN is the worst media outlet to do this, CNN has the lowest viewer count, compared to MsNbc or Fox Business.
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#11
Ravenas
TheLostSwedeThe longer term plan seems to be for Intel to start their own foundry business and produce chips for third parties. However, that's not something you do overnight, especially when the tools for designing chips on your nodes aren't available to your potential customers in the same way they are for customers of TSMC, Samsung, UMC of GloFo.

TSMC aren't selling any fabs, as that's their bread and butter, they don't actually have a product of their own, they offer a service to all the fabless chip makers.
I never stated they were selling their FABs, I said they were selling their FABs out, we are saying the same thing.

The longer-term plan is fine, but I don't think American tax payers need to subsidize anything for them.
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#12
TheLostSwede
News Editor
RandallFlaggIntel hasn't failed in a level market. Taiwan built up its semi industry largely by lowering corporate tax rate to 1.5% for its semi industry, among other things in particular buildout of infrastructure to support that industry.

Most of the semi industry in China is state sponsored / owned, in particular SMIC.

It seems to me a lot of people from China and Taiwan on this thread are upset that maybe Intel and a few others will get some state help to bring semi manufacturing back into the US and EU.

It's notable that while that view is probably beneficial to Taiwan and China, it probably is not beneficial to the US or EU.
Or maybe Intel should just just stop playing coy about it and act like a responsible company, instead of making excuses as to why it wants a bigger share of the funds than it thinks its competitors deserve? I don't favour any of the semiconductor manufacturers, but most of the reasoning from Pat is just silly. There are so many better ways of asking for this money that are legit reasons, instead of what he's done for the past week.
First and foremost, shouldn't the most money go to the company that is willing to invest the most into new foundries on US soil in this instance?
If that is Intel, then there's no problem, but asking for money without even saying what it will be used for, seems like a cash grab.
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#13
DeathtoGnomes
I dont want the bill to pass, essentially the bill covers taxes. Congress would have been better off offering 0 tax for x years. Paying this money out makes no sense, its more like a clickbait posting.
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#14
Chomiq
RedBearSo it looks like "TSMC does not speak ill of other companies in the industry", but it can "speak ill "of other companies CEOs at will. Very classy.

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I don't think he has missed anything, it was the US government that has created this situation, thus the US governement should help its own local industries in facing the consequences of the trade wars. Incidentally Intel wanted to increase production in China and the White House stopped them. Some kind of reparation is in order.
TSMC CEO Mark Liu downplayed the matter, and said that Gelsinger's statement wasn't worth responding to, and that he doesn't slander industry colleagues
Keyword here being "he" as in Mark Liu, current CEO of TSMC. Not the 90 year old Chang.
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#15
RandallFlagg
TheLostSwedeOr maybe Intel should just just stop playing coy about it and act like a responsible company, instead of making excuses as to why it wants a bigger share of the funds than it thinks its competitors deserve? I don't favour any of the semiconductor manufacturers, but most of the reasoning from Pat is just silly. There are so many better ways of asking for this money that are legit reasons, instead of what he's done for the past week.
First and foremost, shouldn't the most money go to the company that is willing to invest the most into new foundries on US soil in this instance?
If that is Intel, then there's no problem, but asking for money without even saying what it will be used for, seems like a cash grab.
Or maybe Taiwan and China should stop subsidizing industries.

Normally when anti-competitive practices are conducted by foreign competitors, their products are tariffed to level the playing field. Why isn't this being done to Taiwan and China's products? That type of thing is usually only allowed in 'developing' countries not 'developed' countries.

Most of the CHIPS act is to provide incentives and support in building new fabs. Are you telling us Taiwan didn't do that?
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#16
Death Star
This should definitely be marked as editorial.
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#17
z1n0x
TSMC is pure-play foundry, Intel is not. Will Intel produce chips for its direct competitors on its most advanced nodes? Or they will keep those nodes for themselves?
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#18
TheLostSwede
News Editor
RandallFlaggOr maybe Taiwan and China should stop subsidizing industries.

Normally when anti-competitive practices are conducted by foreign competitors, their products are tariffed to level the playing field. Why isn't this being done to Taiwan and China's products? That type of thing is usually only allowed in 'developing' countries not 'developed' countries.

Most of the CHIPS act is to provide incentives and support in building new fabs. Are you telling us Taiwan didn't do that?
Did you even bother reading my reply?

The issue isn't the fact that the US government wants to give money to companies to build more fabs, the issue is that Pat is asking to be given more money, because reasons.
What makes Intel deserve more money than any other semiconductor company that wants to build a semiconductor fab on US soil?

As for the PRC, well, neither you nor I have any say in what they do and the Party seems to have their hands, fingers, feet and toes shoved into just about everything that goes on in that place, so don't expect things to change there.

And if a government want to give tax incentives to grow a certain industry, what's technically wrong with that? It's not like Taiwan in this case, is propping up TSMC, it's more likely the other way around.
If I'm not mistaken, both local and national US government organisations are giving tax incentives to win over businesses all the time.
z1n0xTSMC is pure-play foundry, Intel is not. Will Intel produce chips for its direct competitors on its most advanced nodes? Or they will keep those nodes for themselves?
Intel claim that is what they'll be doing at some point in the future.
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#19
z1n0x
TheLostSwedeIntel claim that is what they'll be doing at some point in the future.
After they sign the papers to produce chips for AMD, Nvidia on the latest node, then they can have the money.
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TheLostSwede
News Editor
z1n0xAfter they sign the papers to produce chips for AMD, Nvidia on the latest node, then they can have the money.
Sounds like a fair compromise. The Government can keep it in escrow until then.
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#22
Bubster
Somebody should remind Intel CEO that (Potatoe) Chips were Made in America first, The Chinese and Taiwanese just added a little teriyaki flavor :)
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#23
RandallFlagg
TheLostSwedeThe issue isn't the fact that the US government wants to give money to companies to build more fabs, the issue is that Pat is asking to be given more money, because reasons.
What makes Intel deserve more money than any other semiconductor company that wants to build a semiconductor fab on US soil?
That's not what you said and not what Gelsinger said.

He wants the bulk of the funds to go to US companies. Why wouldn't it? It's our tax dollars. How much has Taiwan subsidized Japanese, EU, or US companies? Zero? Did that bother you?

I'm not expecting some foreign country to subsidize US companies, but it is rather bizarre to see someone from Taiwan expecting the US will subsidize Taiwanese companies.

You are really starting to stray into a very deceptive / dishonest arguments.
TheLostSwedeAs for the PRC, well, neither you nor I have any say in what they do and the Party seems to have their hands, fingers, feet and toes shoved into just about everything that goes on in that place, so don't expect things to change there.

And if a government want to give tax incentives to grow a certain industry, what's technically wrong with that?
Then why would you complain when the US might maybe do it? Maybe start posting articles about how bad it is when China / Taiwan / Korea etc etc. use state funding to subsidize their industries?
TheLostSwedeIt's not like Taiwan in this case, is propping up TSMC, it's more likely the other way around.
After 35 years of being propped up, yes TSMC is giving them a return now. History and context matters.
TheLostSwedeIf I'm not mistaken, both local and national US government organisations are giving tax incentives to win over businesses all the time.
That is mostly local state level incentives, typically they give low interest loans or don't hit them with property taxes for X number of years. That's not the same as Federal funding and infrastructure build-out, and states don't set corporate tax rates.

In point of fact, TSMC is a benefactor of this already as are many foreign companies like Toyota and Samsung. It's something any company that builds in the US will typically get - they put states in competition with each other to provide the best deal, regardless of what country they are for. That's a red herring as it is totally separate and can \ will happen anyway regardless of what happens with CHIPS act.
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skizzo
be careful, next Joe Biden's thugs will be knocking on TPU's door saying "you're not communicating this story favorably enough". wouldn't want to paint his office as not being in favor of USA based companies by not giving them a break / additional support

pretty funny this is going on CNN after that news broke

and I apparently learned it is legal to have a mandatory retirement age in the USA? I never knew that could be legal since it sounds like the definition of "ageism"
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