BwazeFunny that "3200MHz CL14 RAM" is here noted as a downside, as reviewer could have used much quicker RAM.

That's Samsung B die. Was quite expensive, and can be easily overclocked to maximum Ryzen can even handle in 1:1. How many Ryzen users have quicker RAM? And how much does it even matter in benchmarks that do scale - as oposed to Cinebench, also most games outside fringe cases, min frames or ultra high framerate?

And no, "PBO +200MHz overclocking" never worked as AMD explained in that video. A lot of time and resources was spent to even get Ryzen 3000 processors to achieve marketed boost clocks (even for just a fraction of a second), forget achieving anything higher in a meaningful way.

MusselsIt's looking like a 5700x, in anything the cache doesn't actively help

BwazeSingle core Cinenench R23 (by my opinion most indicative of gaming speeds here) is crap, slower than stock 5800x. Something must be wrong, or this won't beat the 5600x in gaming.

DeathtoGnomesI'll reserve my opinion when more thorough reviews are done. These 'its just quick review just to get it out there first' reviews are FUD and should not be taken as serious, especially this one.

TheLostSwedeThe UEFI/AGESA has been available for about a month and new drivers are out, so highly unlikely.
The tests were done with 3200MHz CL14 RAM, so that could account for some of it, but not much.

BwazeFunny that "3200MHz CL14 RAM" is here noted as a downside, as reviewer could have used much quicker RAM.

That's Samsung B die. Was quite expensive, and can be easily overclocked to maximum Ryzen can even handle in 1:1. How many Ryzen users have quicker RAM? And how much does it even matter in benchmarks that do scale - as oposed to Cinebench, also most games outside fringe cases, min frames or ultra high framerate?

And no, "PBO +200MHz overclocking" never worked as AMD explained in that video. A lot of time and resources was spent to even get Ryzen 3000 processors to achieve marketed boost clocks (even for just a fraction of a second), forget achieving anything higher in a meaningful way.

AirisomWell, the ram is running in single rank as well, so if they went up to say 3600 cl14 in dual rank, there should be some more performance gained. Still underwhelming, but apparently he's posting gaming benchmarks tomorrow and comparing against the 12900kf.

5 o'clock CharlieThanks again for posting more news on this CPU. I am unsure as to why the RAM would be the deficit in this case scenario. Both gaming and synthetic benchmarks from Gamers Nexus show 3200MHz CL14 RAM is one of the sweet spots for Ryzen, which is what I am currently using.
Hopefully tomorrow's gaming tests will provide more of a sneak preview. As others have said, let's wait and see how this chip performs once official on April 20th from other outlets.
I also wonder if VMs would have any benefit from the extra cache?

TheoneandonlyMrKIf he sticks with one stick of ram they won't be worth much.

MakaveliIf PBO+200mhz doesn't work how am I hitting Single core clocks of 5.05Ghz with it on? And I also happen to be using 3200 CL 14 Samsung B die 4x8 dual rank!

5 o'clock CharlieWhich RAM kit are you currently running? Thanks.
Edit: sorry, I missed the system specs on your profile. Is it specifically the NEO or regular RGB version? Not sure if mine 4x8 setup is dual rank. It doesn't specify on gskills site.

The Quim ReaperCinebench scores aren't really affected by RAM speed to any great degree.

MakaveliG.SKILL Trident Z RGB Series DDR4 3200MHz CL14 1.35V Dual Channel Desktop Memory Kit (F4-3200C14D-16GTZR)

I didn't go for the Neo kit as I didn't find the extra cost worth it.

5 o'clock CharlieMakes sense about the NEO. I assume mine is dual channel and dual rank since mine is basically the same kit without the rgb factor. Thanks.

BwazeSingle core Cinenench R23 (by my opinion most indicative of gaming speeds here) is crap, slower than stock 5800x. Something must be wrong, or this won't beat the 5600x in gaming.

chrcolukcinebench has never been a gamer workload metric, its commonly used because its simple to run.

My 5600G with its 16meg cache been performant in my non gaming workloads is making more and more sense.

Therefore, AMD’s V-Cache is not a completely superior solution. Rather, it’s an acknowledgement that a one-size-fits-all approach to L3 size no longer cuts it. I suspect AMD will offer both V-Cache and non V-Cache variants of future chips, allowing customers to choose what’s best for their workload.

AnotherReaderIt would be worthwhile reading this article from Chips and Cheese. The graph most relevant to this discussion is reproduced below:



Cinebench is the opposite of many games as its L3 hitrate is high. This should be similar to your 5600G as the total L3 that one core can access is the same. The author also notes that

MusselsSo of course, people test synthetic benches that don't benefit from the cache.

KonceptzDepending on what happens in the next 60-90 days. I might just end up with a 12700k with some 3600mhz DDR4 and call it a day.
The undeniable itch to go back to Intel after years AMD, and only a $40 price difference using 5800x vs 12700k current pricing on microcenter pretty much sums it up for me.