PerfectWavethe "only" problem they are falling ONLY in china

Sadly! In Europe, some models even increased in price again recently, while not being close to the Launch-MSRP.

So...I'm looking at upgrading a GPU. I'm in China. I can get a GPU that's probably been run right at the thermal limits for months, and save about 50% from the MSRP. Alternatively, I can buy a new GPU at 80% of the MSRP.

The difference is 30%...and that's about what would bring a GPU from the current MSRP into striking distance of the original release MSRP.



Listen, you buy the best GPU you can afford at the time you buy it. You don't worry and fret...because if you did there'd never be a good time to buy. There's only bad and worse times to buy. Me, I'm looking at the flood of 3xxx and 6xxx cards in the ebay market. I'm looking at the price fluctuating rather wildly based upon whatever the latest rumor is...and people flaunting non-LHR GPUs while trying to sell those same cards because their hash rate no longer earns money.
It's time to be realistic. The news today is that there's a flood, and the price drops. Tomorrow it's that Nvidia is potentially going to delay, and the card price goes up. Next it's that the supplier basically denied decreases in ordering, and the prices fluctuate again.

Why even loose time over that? It's the same story on repeat.

Bomby569i still don't get the logic, it's a end of life card, and there should be a flood of mining cards in the market. It's not an amazing price at all, it's actually very expensive if this were normal times. Something i am missing probably.

I think people lost complete control and notion of what prices should be like.

What would you say the prices should be like?

Probably all the warehouse leftovers that they didn't sell for 200% to 500% mark up. Now it's the blowout deals to empty the warehouses for the next gens so they can mark them up 200% to 500% and sell as much as they can until the next gen again ;)

HaserathWhat would you say the prices should be like?

I think eventually the below street prices to be a good compromise for the consumer:

HaserathWhat would you say the prices should be like?

heavily discounted from the MSRP, at least 20% if not more

I have a set of heaphones from one brand, they usually release a new version every 2 years or so, when they announce a new version the existing one drops in price imediately, that's normally how things work. New version is better, or everyone assumes so anyway, so no wants the older one unless it is heavily discounted.

Bomby569heavily discounted from the MSRP, at least 20% if not more

I have a set of heaphones from one brand, they usually release a new version every 2 years or so, when they announce a new version the existing one drops in price imediately, that's normally how things work. New version is better, or everyone assumes so anyway, so no wants the older one unless it is heavily discounted.

We're more-or-less there, depending on model/seller/location:

ModEl4I think eventually the below street prices to be a good compromise for the consumer:

I just see people compare rtx 3080 to gtx 1080 price when the die size of the 3080 is double the 1080 and smaller processes are just getting more expensive per mm2.

ModEl4

Bomby569heavily discounted from the MSRP, at least 20% if not more

I have a set of heaphones from one brand, they usually release a new version every 2 years or so, when they announce a new version the existing one drops in price imediately, that's normally how things work. New version is better, or everyone assumes so anyway, so no wants the older one unless it is heavily discounted.

Our current situation with semiconductors is a little different than other products though. They need to provide performance improvement and processes aren’t really providing that anymore and especially not for “free” like they used to. The new product might simply be placed over the old in the price structure.

And while I do say this, I know Nvidia is making too much money(AMD much less so in GPUs) but it seems like people can’t help themselves anymore. I waited until an Rx 6600 was under $300 to get one last month. I don’t expect the next gen replacement until well into next year.

HaserathI just see people compare rtx 3080 to gtx 1080 price when the die size of the 3080 is double the 1080 and smaller processes are just getting more expensive per mm2.

Of course the cost of a 628mm² 8nm GPU is higher than a 314mm² 16nm one.
That's why the full GP104 was $499 and the cut down part (GTX 1070) $379, while the cut down GA102 was $699...
So the price at launch wasn't the same.
Whenever the next-gen products get released, GA102 will have completed it's regular life cycle.When are we going to have the Ada Lovelace parts?
Eventually the price that will be suitable based on the upcoming next-gen products performance/$ is not $699 as you can understand.
My prediction is that if Nvidia has a $499 product, it will be at least as fast as 3080 12GB (at least in QHD resolution).
So from the moment this becomes known and as long you as you can find Ada parts, eventually RTX 3080 10GB won't be able to be sold not even at $499, it has to be less than that.
So for me $499 is the price that RTX 3080 10GB should go eventually (meaning one month before the availability of the $499 Ada next-gen part, if Nvidia still has GA102 stock...)
So in this case a fair price for the consumer imo should be $499 eventually.
It's much more difficult the RTX 3090Ti to be $899 and RTX 3090 $799 (there is no chance in hell to go so low from Nvidia, RTX 3090Ti won't be discounted more than 50%, $999 officially) than RTX3080 10GB to go to $499 eventually.
But the question wasn't about what the prices would be, it was what the prices should be (should be from consumer side not from Nvidia's side...)
As some folks mentioned in earlier posts, in some asian countries you can already find deals like $599 RX6900XT for example.