Tuesday, September 20th 2022

NVIDIA Project Beyond GTC Keynote Address: Expect the Expected (RTX 4090)

NVIDIA just kicked off the GTC Autumn 2022 Keynote address that culminates in Project Beyond, the company's launch vehicle for its next-generation GeForce RTX 40-series graphics cards based on the "Ada" architecture. These are expected to nearly double the performance over the present generation, ushering in a new era of photo-real graphics as we inch closer to the metaverse. NVIDIA CEO Jensen Huang is expected to take center-stage to launch these cards.

15:00 UTC: The show is on the road.
15:00 UTC: AI remains the center focus, including how it plays with gaming.

15:01 UTC: Racer X is a real-time interactive tech demo. Coming soon.
15:02 UTC: Future games will be simulations, not pre-baked- Jensen Huang
15:03 UTC: This is seriously good stuff (RacerX). It runs on a single GPU, in real-time, uses RTX Neural Rendering
15:05 UTC: Ada Lovelace is a huge GPU
15:06 UTC: 76 billion transistors, over 18,000 shaders. 76 billion transistors, Micron GDDR6X memory. Shader execution reordering is major innovation, as big as out-of-order execution for CPUs, gains up to 25% in-game performance. Ada built on TSMC 4 nm, using 4N, a custom process designed in together with NVIDIA.

There's a new streaming multiprocessor design, with a total of 90 TFLOPS. Power efficiency is doubled over Ampere.
Ray Tracing is on the third generation now, with 200 RT TFLOPS and twice the triangle intersection speed.
Deep Learning AI uses 4th gen Tensor Cores, 1400 TFLOPS, "Optical Flow Accelerator"
15:07 UTC: Shader Execution Reordering similar to the one we saw with Intel Xe-HPG
15:08 UTC: Several new hardware-accelerated ray tracing innovations with 3rd gen RTX.
15:09 UTC: DLSS 3 is announced. It brings with it several new innovations, including temporal components, and Reflex latency optimizations. Generates new frames without involving the graphics pipeline.
15:11 UTC: Cyberpunk 2077 to get DLSS 3 and SER. 16 times increase in effective performance using DLSS 3 vs. DLSS 1. MS Flight Simulator to get DLSS 3 support
15:13 UTC: Portal RTX, a remaster just like Quake II RTX, available from November, created with Omniverse RTX Remix.
15:14 UTC: Ada offers a giant leap in total performance. Everything has been increased 40 -> 90 TFLOPS shader, 78 -> 200 TFLOPS RTX, 126 -> 300 TFLOPS OFA, 320 -> 1400 TFLOPS Tensor.
15:17 UTC: Power efficiency is more than doubled, but power goes up to 450 W now.
15:18 UTC: GeForce RTX 4090 will be available on October 12, priced at $1600. It comes with 24 GB GDDR6X and is 2-4x faster than RTX 3090 Ti.
15:18 UTC: RTX 4080 is available in two versions, 16 GB and 12 GB. The 16 GB version starts at $1200, the 12 GB at $900. 2-4x faster than RTX 3080 Ti.
15:19 UTC: New pricing for RTX 30-series, "for mainstream gamers", RTX 40-series "for enthusiasts".
15:19 UTC: "Ada is a quantum leap for gamers"—improved ray tracing, shader execution reordering, DLSS 3.
15:20 UTC: Updates to Omniverse

15:26 UTC: Racer X demo was built by a few dozen artists in just 3 months.
15:31 UTC: Digital twins would play a vital sole in product development and lifecycle maintenence.
15:31 UTC: Over 150 connectors to Omniverse.
15:33 UTC: GDN (graphics delivery network) is the new CDN. Graphics rendering over the Internet will be as big in the future as streaming video is today.
15:37 UTC: Omniverse Cloud, a planetary-scale GDN
15:37 UTC: THOR SuperChip for automotive applications.

15:41 UTC: NVIDIA next-generation Drive
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333 Comments on NVIDIA Project Beyond GTC Keynote Address: Expect the Expected (RTX 4090)

#101
Ibotibo01
Why do we want to buy 4080 12GB with $900? It is pointless, can easily found used 3060 ti for $250 and passing this gen. Also, If DLSS 3.0 is exclusive on 40 series, DLSS 4.0 won't come 40 series so again what is the purpose of buying 4080? Nvidia chose miners over gamers last years, now their fate are controlled by gamers. We will see how it ends.
ARFThere is always a solution - don't buy.

Another thing to mention is that RTX 4080 12 GB is a different card, not the same as the 16 GB version.

Quite a weird naming, they should call it RTX 4070 12 GB or something...

I am really wondering RTX 4070 price and performance. 7680 cores are pretty low for 4080. If 4070 have 5944 cores only 10-15% performance difference also come with 12GB VRAM, it will kill the 4080.
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#102
rv8000
ARFPerformance:


NVIDIA introduces GeForce RTX 4090/4080 series, RTX 4090 launches October 12th for 1599 USD - VideoCardz.com
So considering that the 3080 12GB, 3080ti, and 3090ti are relatively close, the only static performance increase from the 30 series is going to be the the 4090ti

As of now I’m kind of disappointed, they did price them to coexist with 30 series cards, not that that’s really of anyone’s benefit *shrug*

Proprietary software implementations should not be advertised as a key selling point, exactly what lead to first gen RT and DLSS being a joke. They get supported in 3 games, then ditched. Up to 4x performance, LOL okay leather jacket man.

Looks like there’s a huge performance hole left for them to slot in the 4080ti and 4090 as expected. This release is even more boring than the 30 series cards to me :(
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#103
cvaldes
grammar_phreakPrices are in line with what?
The last xx80 tier card was $699.
Maybe NVIDIA is pricing their 4080 cards significantly higher which will convince some people to buy cheaper 3080 cards to draw down channel inventory.

:):p:D
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#104
AnotherReader
Ibotibo01Why do we want to buy 4080 12GB with $900? It is pointless, can easily found used 3060 ti for $250 and passing this gen. Also, If DLSS 3.0 is exclusive on 40 series, DLSS 4.0 won't come 40 series so again what is the purpose of buying 4080? Nvidia chose miners over gamers last years, now their fate are controlled by gamers. We will see how it ends.


I am really wondering RTX 4070 price and performance. 7680 cores are pretty low for 4080. If 4070 have 5944 cores only 10-15% performance difference also come with 12GB VRAM, it will kill the 4080.
Given what we have seen today, I expect the 4070 to have 40 SMX or less, i.e. 5120 FMAs or less. The 4060 Ti, also known as the 4080 12 GB, will be at least 30% faster than the 4070.
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#105
lightning70
4080 12gb is actually a 4070. Nvidia put this model in the 8 series to make the model look cute and get more money, 2 times the price increase compared to the 3070 It's too much. I don't understand this price increase.
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#106
Space Lynx
Astronaut
What power supply wattage is recommended for RTX 4090 was it announced yet?
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#107
Dimitriman
rv8000So considering that the 3080 12GB, 3080ti, and 3090ti are relatively close, the only static performance increase from the 30 series is going to be the the 4090ti

As of now I’m kind of disappointed, they did price them to coexist with 30 series cards, not that that’s really of anyone’s benefit *shrug*

Proprietary software implementations should not be advertised as a key selling point, exactly what lead to first gen RT and DLSS being a joke. They get supported in 3 games, then ditched. Up to 4x performance, LOL okay leather jacket man.

Looks like there’s a huge performance hole left for them to slot in the 4080ti and 4090 as expected. This release is even more boring than the 30 series cards to me :(
What's worse is that everyone knows the 4080 12GB was supposed to be the 4070 just like the 30 series launch (3090+3080+3070), and last minute Jensen decided to "layer" it on top of Ampere by just rebranding and adding $300 more on the price. Well done Jensen.
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#108
Space Lynx
Astronaut
DimitrimanWhat's worse is that everyone knows the 4080 12GB was supposed to be the 4070 just like the 30 series launch (3090+3080+3070), and last minute Jensen decided to "layer" it on top of Ampere by just rebranding and adding $300 more on the price. Well done Jensen.
His leather jacket collection won't pay for itself mate.
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#109
thegnome
This whole launch is a mess, no true raster numbers, two different 4080 models with wildly different specs, not to mention the insane prices. The only thing I can see from this is another 20-series-like launch. Higher prices, barely performance increases and new RT/DLSS stuff that's only on the new cards. I feel a pattern coming up.

Let's hope RDNA3 fares much better.
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#110
Space Lynx
Astronaut
thegnomeThis whole launch is a mess, no true raster numbers, two different 4080 models with wildly different specs, not to mention the insane prices. The only thing I can see from this is another 20-series-like launch. Higher prices, barely performance increases and new RT/DLSS stuff that's only on the new cards. I feel a pattern coming up.

Let's hope RDNA3 fares much better.
I think 4090 will impress us performance wise, but 98% of gamers won't be using it, so I mean eh your point stands overall. I agree, 4080 two variants is stupid as shit.

Lisa Su, please save us. RDNA3 to the fucking moon boys!!!! :rockout: :rockout: :rockout: :rockout: :rockout: :rockout: :rockout: :rockout:
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#111
Unregistered
Yep as many others have said, the pricing is crazy, which was to be expected from Nvidia. I'll pick up a 4090 with a WB on it already in a couple years for half the MSRP, lol.
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#112
oxrufiioxo
CallandorWoTWhat power supply wattage is recommended for RTX 4090 was it announced yet?
All the models I've seen sport the new 12pin or 16pin connector can't remember it's name... My guess is a normal non gen 5 psu 1000-1200w and maybe 850-1000w for those supporting a native connector. Depending on the rest of the system specs.
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#113
rv8000
DimitrimanWhat's worse is that everyone knows the 4080 12GB was supposed to be the 4070 just like the 30 series launch (3090+3080+3070), and last minute Jensen decided to "layer" it on top of Ampere by just rebranding and adding $300 more on the price. Well done Jensen.
This is horribly sad

On top of EVGA leaving the GPU market, I’m looking at other ways to entertain myself in a sparing free time now.

I hope RDNA3 will at least be interesting; some magical leap to match RT performance would be exciting to see!
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#114
Unregistered
DimitrimanWhat's worse is that everyone knows the 4080 12GB was supposed to be the 4070 just like the 30 series launch (3090+3080+3070), and last minute Jensen decided to "layer" it on top of Ampere by just rebranding and adding $300 more on the price. Well done Jensen.
Ya the thing is if people ever want the crazy pricing to change, they have to be more disciplined and not buy this stuff at such prices.
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#115
oxrufiioxo
Imo the most impressive stuff out of that keynote is the software specifically the new moding tools and DLSS 3.0
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#116
dir_d
oxrufiioxoImo the most impressive stuff out of that keynote is the software specifically the new moding tools and DLSS 3.0
If DLSS 3.0 is specifically for the RTX 4k series then its dead to me and 90% of Nvidia's market. They cant keep making technology for 1 generation at a time, who would invest in that?
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#117
cvaldes
dir_dIf DLSS 3.0 is specifically for the RTX 4k series then its dead to me and 90% of Nvidia's market. They cant keep making technology for 1 generation at a time, who would invest in that?
Apple does this every year with their new iOS release: certain features on run on the newly released handsets. They're called iPhones. Have you heard of them?

Apple seems to have survived using their feature release strategy.

Also, it's not an investment. It's an expense. Investments are things like Class B shares of Berkshire-Hathaway or 10-year Treasury bonds.
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#119
dir_d
cvaldesApple does this every year with their new iOS release: certain features on run on the newly released handsets. They're called iPhones. Have you heard of them?

Apple seems to have survived using their feature release strategy.

Also, it's not an investment. It's an expense. Investments are things like Class B shares of Berkshire-Hathaway or 10-year Treasury bonds.
iPhones have been declining as well but everyone is there for their eco-system. If Nvidia had an eco-system as robust as Apple's then i can see what your saying.
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#120
ARF
ModEl4I clicked on the link but couldn't find the pic, do you have a link?
The pic is there in the comments section.

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#121
Andyr
The 16gb 4080 is expensive enough that I'll wait to see what AMD has to offer. I'm on 12gb now and I can't see any point moving to another 12gb card.
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#122
Space Lynx
Astronaut
ARFThe pic is there in the comments section.

RDNA3 for me. I don't give a flying shit about ray tracing.
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#123
64K
That jackass Hueng is going to market a 4070 as a 4080. He's not doing this because he has to. There is only one reason he is doing this. To take advantage of the uninformed gamers and make them think they are getting a real 4080.
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#124
Sisyphus
Given the inflation, I expected a 10-20% price increase, just ok. Without cryptocurrency demand, availability near msrp should be realistic. 50% higher performance is ok. 100-400% in special applications/configuration is good. New tensor core uses/apps for gaming is great, a lot of new potential.
Since RT/4k entered the gaming sector, a new consumer GPU class was designed, which can be used semiprofessional, 4080/4090 with >=16 GB VRAM and will stay above 1000 $. I don't see any problem here. Overpriced are the low and middle class GPUs from 4050 to 4070, if the prices are similar correlated to 3050-3070. Just my opinion.
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#125
steen
dir_dIf DLSS 3.0 is specifically for the RTX 4k series then its dead to me and 90% of Nvidia's market. They cant keep making technology for 1 generation at a time, who would invest in that?
Can't be helped. No fp8 in Ampere for AI frame insertion. Real question is, what does the reviewer guide say about DLSS 2 vs DLSS 3 fps comparisons & how will W1zz present review data...

Edit: Also interesting that it relies on Reflex=on to reduce latency introduced by interpolation.

Edit2: OFE is not via interpolation.
Reviews are gonna be tricky. No DLSS vs no DLSS, DLSS2 vs DLSS2, & DLSS2 vs DLSS3.
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