Tuesday, September 20th 2022

NVIDIA Project Beyond GTC Keynote Address: Expect the Expected (RTX 4090)

NVIDIA just kicked off the GTC Autumn 2022 Keynote address that culminates in Project Beyond, the company's launch vehicle for its next-generation GeForce RTX 40-series graphics cards based on the "Ada" architecture. These are expected to nearly double the performance over the present generation, ushering in a new era of photo-real graphics as we inch closer to the metaverse. NVIDIA CEO Jensen Huang is expected to take center-stage to launch these cards.

15:00 UTC: The show is on the road.
15:00 UTC: AI remains the center focus, including how it plays with gaming.

15:01 UTC: Racer X is a real-time interactive tech demo. Coming soon.
15:02 UTC: Future games will be simulations, not pre-baked- Jensen Huang
15:03 UTC: This is seriously good stuff (RacerX). It runs on a single GPU, in real-time, uses RTX Neural Rendering
15:05 UTC: Ada Lovelace is a huge GPU
15:06 UTC: 76 billion transistors, over 18,000 shaders. 76 billion transistors, Micron GDDR6X memory. Shader execution reordering is major innovation, as big as out-of-order execution for CPUs, gains up to 25% in-game performance. Ada built on TSMC 4 nm, using 4N, a custom process designed in together with NVIDIA.

There's a new streaming multiprocessor design, with a total of 90 TFLOPS. Power efficiency is doubled over Ampere.
Ray Tracing is on the third generation now, with 200 RT TFLOPS and twice the triangle intersection speed.
Deep Learning AI uses 4th gen Tensor Cores, 1400 TFLOPS, "Optical Flow Accelerator"
15:07 UTC: Shader Execution Reordering similar to the one we saw with Intel Xe-HPG
15:08 UTC: Several new hardware-accelerated ray tracing innovations with 3rd gen RTX.
15:09 UTC: DLSS 3 is announced. It brings with it several new innovations, including temporal components, and Reflex latency optimizations. Generates new frames without involving the graphics pipeline.
15:11 UTC: Cyberpunk 2077 to get DLSS 3 and SER. 16 times increase in effective performance using DLSS 3 vs. DLSS 1. MS Flight Simulator to get DLSS 3 support
15:13 UTC: Portal RTX, a remaster just like Quake II RTX, available from November, created with Omniverse RTX Remix.
15:14 UTC: Ada offers a giant leap in total performance. Everything has been increased 40 -> 90 TFLOPS shader, 78 -> 200 TFLOPS RTX, 126 -> 300 TFLOPS OFA, 320 -> 1400 TFLOPS Tensor.
15:17 UTC: Power efficiency is more than doubled, but power goes up to 450 W now.
15:18 UTC: GeForce RTX 4090 will be available on October 12, priced at $1600. It comes with 24 GB GDDR6X and is 2-4x faster than RTX 3090 Ti.
15:18 UTC: RTX 4080 is available in two versions, 16 GB and 12 GB. The 16 GB version starts at $1200, the 12 GB at $900. 2-4x faster than RTX 3080 Ti.
15:19 UTC: New pricing for RTX 30-series, "for mainstream gamers", RTX 40-series "for enthusiasts".
15:19 UTC: "Ada is a quantum leap for gamers"—improved ray tracing, shader execution reordering, DLSS 3.
15:20 UTC: Updates to Omniverse

15:26 UTC: Racer X demo was built by a few dozen artists in just 3 months.
15:31 UTC: Digital twins would play a vital sole in product development and lifecycle maintenence.
15:31 UTC: Over 150 connectors to Omniverse.
15:33 UTC: GDN (graphics delivery network) is the new CDN. Graphics rendering over the Internet will be as big in the future as streaming video is today.
15:37 UTC: Omniverse Cloud, a planetary-scale GDN
15:37 UTC: THOR SuperChip for automotive applications.

15:41 UTC: NVIDIA next-generation Drive
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333 Comments on NVIDIA Project Beyond GTC Keynote Address: Expect the Expected (RTX 4090)

#26
defaultluser
dir_dHe said its for Ray Tracing, didnt say anything about regular shaders for graphics.
these high-end cards almost double performance by being factory-overclocked; you wont see such insanity for entry-level (but a 40-50%
performance bump over 3050 is certainly likely) - around 3060 ti land
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#27
dick_cheney
Prices are insane, $899 for not even a top sku.

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#28
Space Lynx
Astronaut
dick_cheneyPrices are insane, $899 for not even a top sku.

RDNA3 will bring balance to the Force. Be patient. The leather jacket is Dark, wait for the Light.
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#29
oxrufiioxo
ValantarNo. Both have the same MSRP. Street prices are another matter entirely. Nvidia never gave any other price for the 3090 Ti than 1499.
videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3090-ti-founders-edition-drops-to-1599-it-is-now-400-cheaper-than-msrp

I guess you're counting the price drop and not the original MSRP.

I ignore names at this point the only thing that matters is how much more performance the new cards have nvidia can call them whatever they want it's the performance that matters to me the 4080 12GB looks like a 3070ti replacement for 900usd but if it performs much higher than any ampere gpu it doesn't matter what they call it.... I still think the price is high mind you but they are likely tying to sell 3080 10/12GB and 3080ti cards around 700 vs selling these.
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#30
V3ctor
Goodbye RTX3080... Hello 4080
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#32
Chaitanya
dick_cheneyPrices are insane, $899 for not even a top sku.

Same shit they pulled with 1060 few years back but now with 70 series of GPU being sold as 80 series.
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#33
RandallFlagg
dick_cheneyPrices are insane, $899 for not even a top sku.

Given that a 4080 > 3090 Ti, that's going to crush last gen pricing on everything 3070 and up. The 3090 Ti is around $1100 right now.

That price of $899 is the MSRP of the 3080 Ti, it's actually very normal.
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#34
Valantar
dick_cheneyPrices are insane, $899 for not even a top sku.

Wow, that is a major difference, wow. Why on earth is this not the 4070? Or why isn't the 16GB the 4080 Ti?
RandallFlaggGiven that a 4080 > 3090 Ti, that's going to crush last gen pricing on everything 3070 and up. The 3090 Ti is around $1100 right now.

That price of $899 is the MSRP of the 3080 Ti, it's actually very normal.
"It's very normal" except for the fact that just a few generations ago, Nvidia's top SKU of their entire lineup launched at $699.
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#35
oxrufiioxo
dick_cheneyPrices are insane, $899 for not even a top sku.

Better to price them high and let the market dictate pricing vs pricing them low and letting retailers cash in.
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#36
cvaldes
oxrufiioxoI ignore names at this point the only thing that matters is how much more performance the new cards have nvidia can call them whatever they want it's the performance that matters to me
This is the more reasonable way to assess new products: ignore the marketing model number and just look at the performance-per-dollar value yourself especially when the company in question has a long history of inconsistent model number usage.
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#37
Space Lynx
Astronaut
Did RTX 4080 get a release date? or only the 4090 which comes October 12th?
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#38
oxrufiioxo
CallandorWoTDid RTX 4080 get a release date? or only the 4090 which comes October 12th?
Just the 4090 but word on the street is early november likely to coincide with RDNA3
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#39
Valantar
cvaldesThis is the more reasonable way to assess new products: ignore the marketing model number and just look at the performance-per-dollar value yourself.
That's pretty reasonable, sure, as long as you have reliable performance data to go off of, and are also keeping on top of reasonable expectations for gen-over-gen price/perf increases. It's very easy to start thinking "hey, this is faster, so it's reasonable that it costs more" and to forget that we used to get those performance increases for the same price as the previous generation of the same tier.
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#40
cvaldes
CallandorWoTDid RTX 4080 get a release date? or only the 4090 which comes October 12th?
As far as I can tell no. The 4080 16GB is "November". The 4080 12GB is undetermined.

My guess is those 4080 card launch dates are being heavily influenced by selldown of channel inventory of Ampere cards. Most likely the new 4080 cards are currently sitting on pallets in the finished goods section of some warehouse.
ValantarThat's pretty reasonable, sure, as long as you have reliable performance data to go off of, and are also keeping on top of reasonable expectations for gen-over-gen price/perf increases. It's very easy to start thinking "hey, this is faster, so it's reasonable that it costs more" and to forget that we used to get those performance increases for the same price as the previous generation of the same tier.
Yes, of course. Another reasonable approach would be to wait for third-party reviewers to do a proper assessment of the newly launched models and make an informed decision later rather than blather on launch day.
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#41
igralec84
The 4080 16gb will probably be the worst price/performance, with the 4090 right behind it :D
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#42
Space Lynx
Astronaut
cvaldesAs far as I can tell no. The 4080 16GB is "November". The 4080 12GB is undetermined.

My guess is those card launch dates are being heavily influenced by selldown of channel inventory of Ampere cards.



Yes, of course. A reasonable approach would be to wait for third-party reviewers to do a proper assessment and make an informed decision rather than blather on launch day.
and that image of much less Cuda cores in the 12gb variant is official? so if you really want a 4080 you want the 16gb version which is $1200... man if thats true, I hope RDNA3 kicks ass.
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#43
lsevald
I wonder how wide the memory bus is on that 16GB 4080 :confused:
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#44
oxrufiioxo
ValantarThat's pretty reasonable, sure, as long as you have reliable performance data to go off of, and are also keeping on top of reasonable expectations for gen-over-gen price/perf increases. It's very easy to start thinking "hey, this is faster, so it's reasonable that it costs more" and to forget that we used to get those performance increases for the same price as the previous generation of the same tier.
Definitely agree the 4080 12GB might be trash we won't know till it's reviewed but calling it a 4070ti wouldn't make it any less trash.
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#45
dick_cheney
if that's what you consider fair pricing logic then next GPU gen will be 1499 for the 5080 becuase its faster.
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#46
Valantar
lsevaldI wonder how wide the memory bus is on that 16GB 4080 :confused:
Most likely 256-bit.
oxrufiioxoDefinitely agree the 4080 12GB might be trash we won't know till it's reviewed but calling it a 4070ti wouldn't make it any less trash.
Very true - but "trash" is dependent on both pricing, what tier it's being sold as, as well as absolute performance. Seems to me like Nvidia is making a very concerted effort here at pushing the window of "reasonable" prices for each tier ever higher.
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#47
oxrufiioxo
lsevaldI wonder how wide the memory bus is on that 16GB 4080 :confused:
I think the memory interface can be safely ignored the 6900XT beat or matched the 3090 with a much smaller bus.... They are drastically increasing cache which seems to offset the need for wider buses. We will have to wait for reviews to know for sure though.
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#49
Dragokar
cvaldesNVIDIA doesn't have that answer. No one here does. The market will determine that. There's a basic economics concept known as supply and demand. NVIDIA controls supply. They don't control demand.

As for the pricing of the 30 Series generation, you'll just have to wait. I believe the announcement isn't over so it's possible they will cover this at a later point whether it be during the actual presentation or in a conventional press release.

Either way, it appears that you are asking questions that can't be answered yet by anyone here.
Oh, trust me they easily could answer that, but also there is a certain amount of $$ going up when something is not really available even if it is ;)

The 4080 12G should not be called 4080........but yeah lets wait and see.
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#50
LFaWolf
CallandorWoTRDNA3 will bring balance to the Force. Be patient. The leather jacket is Dark, wait for the Light.
That is not how corporate America works. It will be cheaper… by maybe a $100?
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