Thursday, December 1st 2022

US Might Reimpose GPU Import Tariffs in the New Year

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TheLostSwede
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Currently, the US has an exclusion in place when it comes to import tariffs relating to graphics cards and GPUs imported from China, but the exclusion is set to expire on the 31st of December this year. So far, the US government has been quiet on whether or not the import tariff will be reinstated or not. If the tariff was to be reinstated, US consumers are looking at a 25 percent import duty on graphics cards, starting on the 1st of January, 2023.

There's no easy way to circumvent the tariff either, as it includes items like "printed circuit assemblies, constituting unfinished logic boards," according to Tom's Hardware. Not all graphics cards are made in China though, but the majority of graphics cards are today. It's possible that NVIDIA's move of its logistics center from Hong Kong to Taiwan could have some relation to this as well, as NVIDIA would then be shipping products out of Taiwan, rather than China, depending on how the US Customs classifies Hong Kong these days. We should know what happens in a month's time, but a 25 percent import duty on graphics cards will likely kill most sales, as most people already find them overpriced. This would of course affect AMD and NVIDIA, as well as their partners in the same way, unless they make their graphics cards outside of China.
Source: Tom's Hardware

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108 Comments on US Might Reimpose GPU Import Tariffs in the New Year

#51
1d10t
Oh no, US of A preaching revelations for another country.
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#52
Pumper
Import taxes are there to protect local manufacturers. Who the fuck is manufacturing GPUs inside of US? The tax is dumb and that's that.

As for VAT in EU, whatever, we pay that shit on everything, not only GPUs so it does not matter in this context. What matters is that you can bet your ass that EU prices will increase just to maintain the US/EU price difference.
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#53
claes
1d10tOh no, US of A preaching revelations for another country.
Revelations?
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#54
Dirt Chip
So it will be easier to decide to save your money.
GPU's are overrated anyway.
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#55
1d10t
claesRevelations?
Intended for satirical.
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#56
ixi
TheDeeGeeWelcome to the EU Club!
Now we are one with the USA <3. Together we shall destroy that evil punishment.
MarsM4NTaxing of GPU's is just the tip of the ice berg. ;) Pretty ignorant if you think the comming restructuring of the global manufacturing & trading won't affect you. Outsourcing production overseas (esp. to unfriendly countries) was just idiotic & it's long overdue to bring them back, esp. for critical products. This will come at a cost, but far better than sitting there empty handed one day, with our hands tied behind our backs. The current Vlad Putler energy crisis is a sunday stroll compared to what's comming when Winnie the Pooh starts his trade war.


The US won't make a lot of friends with their "America First" policies. If democratic countries do not stick together now Winnie Pooh will eat us for lunch.
Correct what you said. Although even if prices increase where I live it does not mean I must buy. It will only show that it is time to move to something else. PC master race is long dead because of overpriced everything. . If people get upset of 25% for gpu... then they should open their eyes (in EU)and see how other things as well increase in price.

Nintendo switch and xbox series s are good alternative if you want to game. 300e and rock on. AMD last generation in DYI market didnt have cpus under 120e. Not sure about intel, even if intel had in last gen, then there is 0 info about this one. Just amazing. Same goes for amd, currently cheapest is 300e...
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#57
R-T-B
PumperImport taxes are there to protect local manufacturers.
Usually yes. There is a 2nd reason to issue then though, when you are big enough as a consumer economy, and that's to punish a percieved enemy.

That's what these are.
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#58
Bomby569
lexluthermiesterHalf of the tech stuff made in the world comes from China, with few other options.
There is a lot of hypocrisy, Russia was bad but we bought their oil, Iran idem, Saudis idem. China is bad but we buy their stuff. If there is one thing i learned in life is there is always a choice (unless you're in some gulag), certain choices are just easier. This has more to do with momentary interested then doing the right thing.
Anyway...
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#59
R-T-B
Bomby569There is a lot of hypocrisy, Russia was bad but we bought their oil, Iran idem, Saudis idem. China is bad but we buy their stuff. If there is one thing i learned in life is there is always a choice (unless you're in some gulag), certain choices are just easier. This has more to do with momentary interested then doing the right thing.
Anyway...
The question that has to be answered is how much "bad" making a statement against said practices tradewise costs, and honestly, I'm not convinced that is worth it. That's always been my argument. Woo, we boycotted China, now the world economy is in the shitter and people are worse off than ever, etc...
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#60
Easo
People, you think that this won't affect EU prices?
TheDeeGeeWelcome to the EU Club!
Funny, very funny.
SithaerHomeless and Infrastructure lol do a google or whatever search about Hungary then come back to me.:rolleyes: 'sry for that outburst but I can't stand it when ppl from good ol Murica comes at me saying how its not so bad here when I'm the one living in this shit ass of a country, give me a break..'
Brah, USA does not even have paid vacation set in law. I am from Baltics - our social guarantees are literally better than those of the States (yeah, WTF, I know) and you will find it hard to argue YOU have it worse in Hungary than us here at Russia's borders.
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#61
Bomby569
R-T-BThe question that has to be answered is how much "bad" making a statement against said practices tradewise costs, and honestly, I'm not convinced that is worth it. That's always been my argument. Woo, we boycotted China, now the world economy is in the shitter and people are worse off than ever, etc...
I absolutely agree with you in principle, on that.
But what we think doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things, and what i hate is the hypocrisy. If at least it kept some coherence.
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#62
Vayra86
ixiOhhh snaaap. Prepare your wallets...

Gaming industry in nutshell. Boycot USA! Good that I'm living in EU :D.
Right, because EU GPU prices are definitely better, right?

MSRP for us happened when?
Bomby569Makes sense to me, China bad, don't buy stuff from them. Pretty reasonable and coherent, the world is at balance. The opposite is what doesn't makes sense to me.
Sense? More like 'China bad, but keep buying stuff from them, because we simply can't make it, but you'll still pay more'. I'm not against tariffs, but the motivation is at best extreme hypocrisy.

Let's just be truly honest: 'we'll do whatever it takes to protect our economy and global leadership positions'. Thén we're making sense again. Its not a bad thing either, we all do this each on our own sphere of influence. Its why we can't have nice things like peace & harmony.
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#63
Chrispy_
The madness of all this is that most of the Nvidia GPUs are still selling at or above MSRP, despite those MSRPs having been set when the original tariffs were still in effect.

We've had all this time without the tariffs and the f*cking things are still overpriced....
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#64
GreiverBlade
SithaerSame, here in my shitty EU country we have 27% Tax/VAT by default but ye whatever.:rolleyes:
not in EU 7% VAT but price are usually 25% higher, before that, than everywhere else in the world ... thus we have similar pricing as U.S. with import tariffs anyway ... (and that since long ago )

:laugh: oh well i make do with it anyway (no ... i do not work in a bank or have a 5 digit salary :ohwell: )
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#65
Legacy-ZA
ixiOhhh snaaap. Prepare your wallets...

Gaming industry in nutshell. Boycot USA! Good that I'm living in EU :D.
I don't see why the customer always has to take the brunt of the price increases when a**holes like nGreedia publish Billions upon Billions in record profits contineously.

People, vote with you wallets please, only buy when you really need, not because you "want"
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#66
Pumper
R-T-BUsually yes. There is a 2nd reason to issue then though, when you are big enough as a consumer economy, and that's to punish a percieved enemy.

That's what these are.
Only in trumpian "logic" as the ones being punished (paying the import tax) are the US residents, not China.
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#67
SOAREVERSOR
R-T-BI'm not really for the tariffs personally, but at least I've been consistent on that point. These aren't and never will be "democratic tariffs" And if they were I'd still see them as stupid.
You missed his point. Trump was a Republican White Christian Nationalist figurehead. Joe Biden is Democratic Centrist. So people in the first camp will happily endure all sorts of idiocy from their team and then yellow like scalded ferrets when the other side either does the same thing or doesn't cancel the policy outright.

If you want to know how Jan 6 happened in the US it's the same mindset.
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#68
Eva01Master
Even if the US were to stop buying GPUs coming from China cold-turkey, that won't actually put a dent on their government, those kind of sanctions have not debilitated the grip of their regime in the slightest and have created ripples across the rest of the world...
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#69
R-T-B
SOAREVERSORYou missed his point.
He missed mine, so that's fair.
SOAREVERSORSo people in the first camp will happily endure all sorts of idiocy from their team and then yellow like scalded ferrets when the other side either does the same thing or doesn't cancel the policy outright.
Hey wait, that was my point... you guys are point thieves... this game is rigged.
PumperOnly in trumpian "logic" as the ones being punished (paying the import tax) are the US residents, not China.
Everyone suffers. Even if they pass the price to consumers, it conseqently hurts China because card vendors will move to other places in an attempt to streamline things (see Taiwan).

I do not agree with the tariffs but to say only the consumer suffers is silly.
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#70
SOAREVERSOR
Bomby569There is a lot of hypocrisy, Russia was bad but we bought their oil, Iran idem, Saudis idem. China is bad but we buy their stuff. If there is one thing i learned in life is there is always a choice (unless you're in some gulag), certain choices are just easier. This has more to do with momentary interested then doing the right thing.
Anyway...
The tech stuff is not about money. The US has long been concerned about China's industrial espionage and the implications of what would happen in the tech sector if China invaded Taiwan. The US isn't the only one either, we just happen to be the largest in this mess. But the US can't just order companies to move stuff back here or over to Japan. What the US can do is impose sales import/export laws, tarrifs, trade laws, manfucaturing rules, and fund massive investments at home. Which is what is already being done.

It's funny because we see all sorts of posts here on how China is bad and things need to be moved out but when it touches meh vidya games people get upset.
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#71
DeathtoGnomes
Such impositions are politically motivated as are the decisions to choose what tariffs are exempt. If it can hurt China, some US politicians are all for it damn the consumer. This is where we(US) contact our congress-person and tell them to put pressure wherever is appropriate to continue to exempt GPUs from tariffs.

This war only hurts consumers, not a whole lot we can do about the whole thing.
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#72
Bomby569
SOAREVERSORThe tech stuff is not about money. The US has long been concerned about China's industrial espionage and the implications of what would happen in the tech sector if China invaded Taiwan. The US isn't the only one either, we just happen to be the largest in this mess. But the US can't just order companies to move stuff back here or over to Japan. What the US can do is impose sales import/export laws, tarrifs, trade laws, manfucaturing rules, and fund massive investments at home. Which is what is already being done.

It's funny because we see all sorts of posts here on how China is bad and things need to be moved out but when it touches meh vidya games people get upset.
Your not being coherent just like them. If like you said the US can't order companies around but can impose trade barriers, why didn't/don't they? If they did there were probably a lot less if anything in China. The same for Iran or Saudi oil for example.
GPU tariffs come and go, because party x or party y, it's better for politics now or not at all at this moment, let's all be honest about this.

Don't shift the blame to corporations. If there were no cops and everyone drove like they felt like, on the wrong side, drunk, speeding like mad, racing... those damn drivers
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#73
Garrus
Vayra86Right, because EU GPU prices are definitely better, right?

MSRP for us happened when?


Sense? More like 'China bad, but keep buying stuff from them, because we simply can't make it, but you'll still pay more'. I'm not against tariffs, but the motivation is at best extreme hypocrisy.

Let's just be truly honest: 'we'll do whatever it takes to protect our economy and global leadership positions'. Thén we're making sense again. Its not a bad thing either, we all do this each on our own sphere of influence. Its why we can't have nice things like peace & harmony.
People always say things like "we can't make it" but nobody is suggesting traditional old school tariffs on every country. The tariffs are on China, and China alone. We don't have to make any of those products. We just don't want our hi tech industries to be in China.
R-T-BHe missed mine, so that's fair.


Hey wait, that was my point... you guys are point thieves... this game is rigged.


Everyone suffers. Even if they pass the price to consumers, it conseqently hurts China because card vendors will move to other places in an attempt to streamline things (see Taiwan).

I do not agree with the tariffs but to say only the consumer suffers is silly.
Again, US consumers can buy the products from other countries. Just not China. The damage to the US consumer is very small. The tariffs are not to make the US manufacture everything, but to reduce the purchase of goods from a dicatorship, and not a friend. The largest and most dangerous one in the world. Would you have advocated for the US to buy everything from the Soviet Union? Of course not.

A lot of people are so confused on this simple point. They are tariffs against Chinese imports. Not against imports generally. Germany could have bought energy from any country, just not from Russia etc.
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#74
R-T-B
GarrusThe damage to the US consumer is very small.
Only a price hike, very small, only a 50% that will likely never completely disappear. Perfectly affordable on something like a 4090. I mean you're made of money anyways, right?

/s in case no one got it.
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#75
chrcoluk
Americans might have to start paying EU prices then?
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