Amazing! Within a month now, China suddenly appears to be leading in two key fields! EUV and Quantum computing. Curiously, two key fields the US and Netherlands are also leading in.

Boy that ASML ban must hurt :) Let's see all those fantastic products now, eh, Xi?

I hear they're colonizing Mars next month, and world peace is on the agenda for July this year.

Vayra86

Amazing! Within a month now, China suddenly appears to be leading in two key fields! EUV and Quantum computing. Curiously, two key fields the US and Netherlands are also leading in.

Boy that ASML ban must hurt :) Let's see all those fantastic products now, eh, Xi?

I hear they're colonizing Mars next month, and world peace is on the agenda for July this year.

It hurts, doesn't it? When you impose sanctions to kill competition with non-market measures and you fail.

TumbleGeorgeIt hurts, doesn't it? When you impose sanctions to kill competition with non-market measures and you fail.

Actually I'm saying the opposite, maybe should have included an /s.

Note your source ;) Suddenly there is a year-old machine that was given to an 'unknown user'? Doesn't smell fishy noooo :)
That's why I'm saying, let's see China make an EUV based chip. I'm waiting.

Obsession with the "advantages" of using "bleeding edge" lithographic processes is a mental illness that needs to be treated. These "advantages" are easily overcome simply by a more efficient chip logic architecture.
PS. And in this case, it is not about classical computer hardware, but about quantum computers, so I define your comment as offtopic.

TumbleGeorgeObsession with the "advantages" of using "bleeding edge" lithographic processes is a mental illness that needs to be treated. These "advantages" are easily overcome simply by a more efficient chip logic architecture.
PS. And in this case, it is not about classical computer hardware, but about quantum computers, so I define your comment as offtopic.

Strange comment; because both EUV and Quantum computing point in the same direction; the future of chips, and the more efficient chip logic is really also part of what Quantum is, isn't it?

There is still such a tendency for parallel development and use. I'm of the opinion that classical computers will be hopelessly behind, and ways will be invented for direct use, without the need for classical computers to translate. I am also of the opinion that the time has passed when the small number of qubits made it difficult for quantum computers to perform calculations that were still better suited to classical machines. Apart from the news published here, there are many others from the last few weeks about various discoveries, innovations and inventions in the field of quantum computing. Since they aren't directly news about new hardware, but rather about the software side of the development, I haven't listed them as a reason to post them as news here.
EUV is too narrow a niche for now. Intel and a few other companies are trying to exploit the quantum properties of electrons as they circulate in the circuits of a chip similar in appearance to those for classical central processors... Maybe they will succeed, who knows. Diversity and competition should be beneficial. Actually, I have no idea if you know more about the EUV prototyping of quantum chips, maybe you know more, I'd be happy if you could get involved with the details.
PS. It's even more likely that they used much older lithography processes, if they used lithography at all, since the elements in these prototypes were much larger in size than anything that was included in the core logic of modern classical professors.

Vayra86Actually I'm saying the opposite, maybe should have included an /s.

Note your source ;) Suddenly there is a year-old machine that was given to an 'unknown user'? Doesn't smell fishy noooo :)
That's why I'm saying, let's see China make an EUV based chip. I'm waiting.

The fact that someone knowledgeable and uptodate on the topic supports your post means your post isn't sarcasm, instead its a valid fact. Don't try to hide behind the /s. Put some meat behind your posts.

Good for China, good for tech.

avalanche of anti China posts incoming (already come some)

The Chinese have been at the forefront of researchinto Quantum computing for a while now. However, quantum computers are still immature and are useless for simulating anything beyond themselves. Classical computers have nothing to fear from their quantum brethren.

AnotherReaderClassical computers have nothing to fear

Yes, they are still just pieces of material, incapable of feeling. ;)

AnotherReaderThe Chinese have been at the forefront of researchinto Quantum computing for a while now. However, quantum computers are still immature and are useless for simulating anything beyond themselves. Classical computers have nothing to fear from their quantum brethren.

for now it's the future (until something better comes along), silicon wafers as a tech are dead, other technologies will extend their lifespan a bit longer but not by much.

Bomby569for now it's the future (until something better comes along), silicon wafers as a tech are dead, other technologies will extend their lifespan a bit longer but not by much.

That is a given; perpetual exponential growth is not physically possible.

For warranty see Schrödinger's cat.

;)

mechtechFor warranty see Schrödinger's cat.

;)

Please.
The material is popular science, has some technical terms, but is explained in a way that is easy to digest. It contains many opinions on when, how, and how many physical qubits we need for a quantum computer to be practically useful, not just in narrowly specialized niches, but for general purpose. Apparently Microsoft, with its lack of smart and creative programmers, has set the limit at a full million physical qubits for a quantum computer to be general purpose.
Hahaha, aren't they pathetic Microsoft, they are literally a fossil, like some turtle that can't get out of its shell it's grown into.
Contains multiple references to other materials. Who likes to read more can follow them for better information. I would be pleased if news or an article of this kind followed in the forum or on the site. I would bet a few cents that general purpose quantum computers will be in mass production in 5 years at the most, or in other words from the beginning of 2028, if not a little earlier.

Step1: build a fancy computer case
Step2: say you have a quantum computer with no proof and no performance review
Step3: lean back in your chair and enjoy

TumbleGeorgePlease.
The material is popular science, has some technical terms, but is explained in a way that is easy to digest. It contains many opinions on when, how, and how many physical qubits we need for a quantum computer to

Quantum mechanics is very complicated so a popular science article is probably the best most people can hope to read about it. If you're interested in more technical, but still relatively accessible, material, then ArsTechnica is a good site.

AnotherReaderQuantum mechanics is very complicated so a popular science article is probably the best most people can hope to read about it. If you're interested in more technical, but still relatively accessible, material, then ArsTechnica is a good site.

I have read there. I have even tried to read from some of the freely published scientific works, but soon my brain goes to sleep, and I have not studied advanced mathematics, and some of the formulas kill my desire to continue reading.