Tuesday, May 30th 2023

NVIDIA's Value Now Exceeds $1 Trillion

NVIDIA has recently joined an elite bunch of publicly listed USA companies with valuations of $1 trillion (or more) - Team Green's share price moved beyond $412 today (May 30), having climbed by more than 30% over the past week. The company's stock value has been reported to have tripled in the span of eight months - this performance surprised a certain subset of financial analysts - having predicted (earlier this year) an overall industry downturn in demand for enterprise hardware. Back in April HSBC raised their recommendation on Nvidia stock to "Buy," the cited reason being an increased uptake of AI processing platforms.

NVIDIA's overall revenue growth was flat in 2022 with profits halved - this led to slightly reduced wages for parts of the executive team (most notably CEO Jensen Huang), but the multinational technology company's fortunes are set to turn around significantly over the course of this current financial year (2023-2024). Intel and AMD are slowly catching up with the market leader in the field of AI processing, with the development of rival technology. It will be interesting to see whether demand for NVIDIA AI GPUs will continue to grow, when alternative products hit the market.
Sources: Reuters, VideoCardz, Ebay (Image Source), BBC News
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58 Comments on NVIDIA's Value Now Exceeds $1 Trillion

#27
AusWolf
If I see one more post saying "this is just how the GPU market works" or "everything is more expensive, why hate on Nvidia", I'm gonna headbutt the desk in front of me.
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#28
mama
AusWolfIf I see one more post saying "this is just how the GPU market works" or "everything is more expensive, why hate on Nvidia", I'm gonna headbutt the desk in front of me.
Yes, but don't forget: "If you buy more [GPUs] you pay less". If that statement doesn't tell you Nvidia has abandoned gamers for greener pastures nothing will.
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#29
Timbaloo
dragontamer5788Yahoo Finance reporting a PE Ratio of 210.92, other sites estimating 230 or higher.

IE: at the current level of NVidia profits, it would take 210-ish years before NVidia profits made up the value of the company. Typical companies are closer to 25-years to 30 years. Tech companies ("priced to grow") are ~50 years (If profits double 5 years from now, then the company pays itself off in ~28 years or so).

At 230 PE Ratio, if NVidia "only" doubles their profits next year, and all years from there on out, they will pay back themselves in 120 years. This is a stock that's priced as if its going 3x to 5x to maybe 10x more profits in the short term.
Yahoo reporting a PE ratio of 626.35 for AMD right now :rolleyes:
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#30
pavle
Since the wisdom of this world is foolishness and men seek intelligence in some boxed automatons, let the greedy fools enjoy their short lived bubble.
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#32
Lew Zealand
TimbalooYahoo reporting a PE ratio of 626.35 for AMD right now :rolleyes:
Yikes! I looked up Intel and theirs is undefined as the E section is negative. Oops. So these numbers are highly variable and kind of a poor measure as they're dependent on recent profit swings.
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#33
dragontamer5788
TimbalooYahoo reporting a PE ratio of 626.35 for AMD right now :rolleyes:
While I'm sure that NVidia and AMD are here to stay for the long term, I don't like their valuations.

I get that PE ratio is just a metric. But its one of the better metrics I've heard of. We're only buying these companies because they make money (ie: buying shares means buying votes + a slice of the dividends of these companies). Or... because we expect them to make money "some time in the future". NVidia made plenty of money during a year when everyone else is losing money (or making less money). But the stock price skyrocketed far in excess from what is reasonable.

AMD is also a meme-stock, IMO. It may have a solid business model, but PE of 600+ (albeit from an unfortunate decline this year) is silly. Even last year, when revenues were good, AMD never had a good PE ratio. I think people will be disappointed that the promised 5x to 10x growth doesn't occur with these companies.

I mean, one of these meme stocks will grow 500% for reals. But not all of them will. In fact, most will stay roughly the same size, and maybe just as many will go go bankrupt (see BBBY for a recent meme stock example of bankruptcy).
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#34
RegaeRevaeb
QUANTUMPHYSICSAnd as I've been in NVIDIA since 2017, I'm so thankful!!!
I think you've got that backwards, Mate, Nvidia's in you. ;-)

Anyway, I've been wondering if the company's value can be described as Huang's Law based on Jensen's arguably apparent ambition.
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#35
R0H1T
dragontamer5788I mean, one of these meme stocks will grow 500% for reals.
Better than meme coins I guess, if that's any solace?

Because these are legitimate businesses at the end of the day, albeit not all that "consumer friendly" as they probably could be!
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#36
dragontamer5788
R0H1TBetter than meme coins I guess, if that's any solace?

Because these are legitimate businesses at the end of the day, albeit not all that "consumer friendly" as they probably could be!
I make jokes on how meme-coins are immune to these issues because they don't make revenue and everyone knows they won't make revenue.

Meanwhile, companies are tethered to the real world and eventually go either bankrupt, or issue a dividend (when they finally run out of ideas of how to make more money). When companies start handing out free money 5, 10, 20 years from now, people are going to be happy to be holding onto their tickets for a slice of that free money.

If you're trading stocks and have forgotten about how dividends work (literally a promised slice of the profits), or how bankruptcy works (ie: the bondholders liquidate the company, equity holders go to $0), you're in for a surprise when these things happen. The stock price varies wildly because in practice, people forget that these things are real-world entities with real-world consequences however. But eventually reality always settles in.

If its a growth company, having a vote for the board to decide upon the corporate strategy and corporate politics is hugely valuable. Maybe not to the passive investor, but to the active investors who attend meetings and such. Even if the company isn't issuing a dividend yet, the vote has value to steer the company in a direction. Later, in bigger companies where there's so many votes that its nearly impossible to be an activist investor... those bigger companies tend to issue dividends and offer a guaranteed slice of profits.
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#37
Anymal
The more you buy, the more you save. Genius!
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#38
wheresmycar
AnymalThe more you buy, the more you save. Genius!
He's a cheeky bugger. Never trust a man in a shiny new leather jacket.

What he should have said was: "the lower the MSRP, the more we sell, and you save"
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#39
Fluffmeister
Sadly with the competition also milking the market with their mediocre releases... Nvidia have free reign, ultimately credit to the ex-AMD employee for creating a market leader and naming it accordingly.
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#40
JAB Creations
That is one high horse that looks a lot like the NFT fraud.
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#41
Anymal
Not worth any more...
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#42
Nhonho
AnymalNot worth any more...
Why?
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#44
QUANTUMPHYSICS
WE ARE GOING TO THE MOON!!!

For all the people who hate Nvidia....and their success...

TOUGH COOKIES.
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#45
Rakhmaninov3
Public corporations in general are the bubble this time around. Diversify or die!
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#46
droopyRO
oxrufiioxoNo matter how you look at it us diy pc builders are going to be screwed honestly. Nvidia cares more about AI and AMD makes a lot more from consoles/CPUs meaning we are F'd
I see no issues. PC gaming is cheap this days, plenty of RX 6600 on offers for around 200Euros/210USD. 1080p 144Hz IPS/VA monitors are less than 200$. CPU's like Ryzen 5600 or Intel 12300 are about 150$. Games are free each week on Epic, and there are plenty of sites with discounted games and bundles.
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#47
wheresmycar
droopyROI see no issues. PC gaming is cheap this days, plenty of RX 6600 on offers for around 200Euros/210USD. 1080p 144Hz IPS/VA monitors are less than 200$. CPU's like Ryzen 5600 or Intel 12300 are about 150$. Games are free each week on Epic, and there are plenty of sites with discounted games and bundles.
Yep,
£120 Ryzen 5600
£200 RX 6600
Cheapy cheapers!!

Problem is some or most game "performance enthusiasts" don't want console level performance... we've been spending way more to overcome skimped graphics and have travelled far and wide to adopt higher resolution panels to get the best visually stunning quality available. I still count my blessings not having upgraded to 4K from 1440p.... probably the best decision i've made! At 1440p on ULTRA settings in a couple of games i play (or will play in the long run), the 6600 won't cut it (not even close). But it is a good budget card for the right setting (subjective)
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#48
AusWolf
wheresmycarYep,
£120 Ryzen 5600
£200 RX 6600
Cheapy cheapers!!

Problem is some or most game "performance enthusiasts" don't want console level performance... we've been spending way more to overcome skimped graphics and have travelled far and wide to adopt higher resolution panels to get the best visually stunning quality available. I still count my blessings not having upgraded to 4K from 1440p.... probably the best decision i've made! At 1440p on ULTRA settings in a couple of games i play (or will play in the long run), the 6600 won't cut it (not even close). But it is a good budget card for the right setting (subjective)
That's why I don't want to move from 1080p. If not willing to buy a £1000+ graphics card to feed a resolution that I never needed in the first place means I'm not an enthusiast, so be it.

I've reached a stage in my life when building a PC, any kind of PC, brings me more happiness than having the fastest parts in the world. "More hardware is better than fast hardware" is my motto now. :ohwell:
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#49
wheresmycar
AusWolfThat's why I don't want to move from 1080p. If not willing to buy a £1000+ graphics card to feed a resolution that I never needed in the first place means I'm not an enthusiast, so be it.

I've reached a stage in my life when building a PC, any kind of PC, brings me more happiness than having the fastest parts in the world. "More hardware is better than fast hardware" is my motto now. :ohwell:
I'm glad you're still on 1080p. Still a great RES for gaming. Problem is, once you go 1440p theres no turning back (yep i'm stuck on it for life). One thing is certain, outside of televisions i ain't touching 4K, PERIOD! (subject to review in 01 January 2073)
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#50
oxrufiioxo
droopyROI see no issues. PC gaming is cheap this days, plenty of RX 6600 on offers for around 200Euros/210USD. 1080p 144Hz IPS/VA monitors are less than 200$. CPU's like Ryzen 5600 or Intel 12300 are about 150$. Games are free each week on Epic, and there are plenty of sites with discounted games and bundles.
While I don't disagree people waiting multiple years for low end hardware to drop in price can build a sweet 1080p build for the money anyone who actually want's to buy newish hardware like a RX 7600 or 4060ti is getting shafted with products not much better than 3 year old hardware.

Cpu remain decently priced due to better competition. Nvidia still doesn't view AMD as anything other than a minor nuisance regardless of whether that is justified and amd is just happy being a slightly better value in the gpu market. RDNA2 being cheap isn't because amd wants it to be cheap it's mostly that nobody would buy it in 2023 otherwise.
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