PumperYeah, seems like the current strategy is "you don't want out overpriced 4000 series? well we will not be releasing new GPUs until you buy all the trash and thank us for it, then".

This means 50 series builds on top of 40, and 60 on top of 50. But the good thing is the 90 and 90 Ti will get a nice discount to $999 in the process just like the 3090 did.

ZoneDymoNon of what you stated is the reason people are reluctant to buy...

Wait, there had to be a reason? I think the only reason is that people always want more. and are also poor. But inflation moves faster better be quick or the next GPU will never happen. moving the goal posts.

N/AWait, there had to be a reason? I think the only reason is that people always want more. and are also poor. But inflation moves faster better be quick or the next GPU will never happen. moving the goal posts.

I could afford a 4090 if I really wanted to. I chose a 6750xt because I am not paying Nvidia's rediculous prices. I would rather spend that money somewhere more productive

N/AThis means 50 series builds on top of 40, and 60 on top of 50. But the good thing is the 90 and 90 Ti will get a nice discount to $999 in the process just like the 3090 did.


Wait, there had to be a reason? I think the only reason is that people always want more. and are also poor. But inflation moves faster better be quick or the next GPU will never happen. moving the goal posts.

Had to be? What? There is a reason...and it's not willing to pay arbitrary price increases there soley because a company wants to keep there COVID profits....

N/AThere will most certainly be a 4050, a slightly slower 107 die, since 4060 is the full die and that is impossible to maintain at high yields. even the 4080 is gimped by 4 SMs. So stop with the renaming interpretations already. It's the new normal. As far as we know the only renamed card is the 4080 12, the rest is as intended. Just buy and have fun. Until 2025 who knows what could happen.

The die size of the 4060 is a mere 158.7mm2 according to Tom's hardware. Tiny for a GPU. Just for comparison, Apple's M2 chip has a die size of 141.7mm2 and the chip has been in production for a year now.

Given that the M2 is the smallest product in their stack below the ultra and max and has been sold en mass, it's safe to say by extension that yield is not an issue at this die size on TSMC's latest nodes. Apple is even coming out with chips larger than this 4060 on the more advanced TSMC 3nm shortly.

What's almost impossible is to have bad yields with such a small die, TSMC's processes would have to be catastrophically bad for that to happen, something we know isn't true as I just illustrated. Chances are Nvidia is yielding 95%+ perfect 4060 dies per wafer.

People calling this a 4050 are being generous IMO. Even if you factor in that the 3050 has only 71% of the full die's shaders enabled, if you multiply that by the die size you get an effective die area (the figure that excludes deactivated parts of the die) of 195.96. So at the end of the day you are still getting more effective die area with a 3050 than you are with the 4060. You could very well make an argument that it's between a 4030 and 4050.

Just buy and have fun. Until 2025 who knows what could happen.

Surely you jest? Anyone who's been through the recent pandemic would know that just buying a video card and having fun has become a complicated matter.

Your sentiment is an appeal to emotion, in that we should just forget all the things that have happened and the horrendous pricing of video cards and buy buy buy without a second thought. My sentiment is the opposite, in that I'm going to point out precisely everything that's wrong with the pricing and the cards themselves. We as enthusiasts have a duty to hold these companies to account not only for our own sake but for everyone in the market. There are many non-enthusiasts who aren't vocal that are price sensitive. The deterioration of value in the GPU market could easily lead to PC loosing it's status as the top platform. Of course in general you shouldn't need a reason to point out a bad product or pricing. The specs and price speak for themselves, the contextualization of that data just makes it apparent.

ZoneDymoYou act as if newer cards mean you HAVE to upgrade


Non of what you stated is the reason people are reluctant to buy...

True. But I tend to have my gpu for around 3 years at a time. But since 4090 is the most expensive cars I have ever get. I would not mind if stays among the newest ms strongest cards for while longer than normal.

TomgangTrue. But I tend to have my gpu for around 3 years at a time. But since 4090 is the most expensive cars I have ever get. I would not mind if stays among the newest ms strongest cards for while longer than normal.

There's always something newer and stronger. It's the natural order of things.

Games are looking so good on much less powerful hardware like PS5 and XBoX with good optimization and so. Seeing how games quality deteriorated on PC recently is just an epic fail for devs. nVidia had to step in and fix some of that itself! no clue why being so lazy but for example something like Intel 13700 + RTX4090 should be a monster of a rig for devs to showcase games as they should be.

nV isn't cornered to release anything stronger than 4090 for now I gues.. even a Ti variant will come with a hefty 2K price and extra 10% max performance gain? this will give 4090 more chance to even sell better.

Till competition shows up so well and games utilize each drop of the current GPU powers, no need for nVidia to rush anything..

The console hardware is so far behind and the games that are ported to pc are ridiculously bad optimised for pc hardware.
nVidia has no reason to release anything better than the Ada cards. Only a few Tis or super to fill the gaps between tiers.

I find it normal for nvidia to delay the next gpu release and practically wouldn’t have made any difference if they even postponed it for 2026.
The consoles and the devs are the ones that have to catch up.

AMD has the chance to release a new product line before nvidia…. Quite unlikely though.

I guess this underlines once again why my gut told me to get something sufficiently high end to last me another half decade at least.

The whole progression curve is grinding to a near-halt. We have exhausted power budget, die space, and refinements on the node itself are entirely a foundry affair.
Games will expand further by pushing harder on VRAM; DLSS/FSR will alleviate that a little bit, if supported.

Further performance must be gained from trickery instead, again, DLSS/FSR is going to be big by pure necessity. Now we know why Nvidia sells Ada on DLSS3.

Huh Sounds like they'll do a "super" style refresh to fix their lineup in a year

Still sitting here and waiting for next gen amd and nvidia. But doubt that nvidia will introduce "that" gpu so that I can replace the current one. I'm not in a hurry.

Games which I'm playing on 2K are getting limited by 8GB vram, but it is okey for now. By 2025. intel shouls release their next gen too if not mistaken.

i wonder if by then we still have 3000 series gpu's on sale of it they finally moved all the stock, probably the most important factor on how good or bad the 5000 series will be

HuLkYGames are looking so good on much less powerful hardware like PS5 and XBoX with good optimization and so.

Certainly will be a pleasure to continue to enjoy games at 30fps on consoles, and they are still new consoles, it can only get better and better.
console gamers living the dream for sure

neatfeatguyThey are not moving the current gen. I can see why they want to wait - hopefully people will need to upgrade before the next gen comes out in 2025 to help clear out inventory so they can recoup their money. Folks sitting on 10xx series and maybe even 20xx series may need to upgrade before 2025. If that's the case, their only option is used 30xx series or new Ada cards on the shelf that just aren't moving right now.

My guess is Nvidia doesn't care much about consumer sales this gen. They just got a huge order from OpenAI. And guess where OpenAI's competitors, which are scrambling now, are going to be shopping in the near future?
Hopefully Ada catches dust on shelves until Nvidia lowers the MSRP, if we're not getting anything else for another two years.

And why would we be excited for Ada successor? Remember Jensen Huang's words in September 2022:

"A 12-inch wafer is a lot more expensive today than it was yesterday, and it's not a little bit more expensive, it is a ton more expensive," "Moore's Law is dead … It's completely over, and so the idea that a chip is going to go down in cost over time, unfortunately, is a story of the past."

So, if another generation just means the same or more likely worse price / performance, it only matters to those who want to buy a card faster than RTX 4090 or the coming RTX 4090 Ti. Are you aiming for RTX 5080? Then buy a RTX 4090 now. Are you aiming for RTX 5070? Buy an RTX 4080. And so on. You're getting approximately same performance 2 years earlier, and perhaps cheaper!

The only problem of course is the new backwards incompatible technologies that will come with next generation. New DLSS, no matter how little improved, of course won't work on RTX 40X0 cards. And with the 3 years between releases, Nvidia might completely revamp the raytracing and other RTX effects and try to make old cards obsolete - the only way to force people to "upgrade" in an era of falling price / performance!

mamaIf AMD keep to their expected release for 8000 series gpus that means it will be competing with Nvidia 4000 series. Maybe this will give them a leg up, especially if they can perfect the chiplet design.

Leg up or not, Nvidia is way more feature complete.

BwazeAnd why would we be excited for Ada successor?

Ada is priced more reasonably than Ampere. If the trend holds, Blackwell might be interesting.

bugAda is priced more reasonably than Ampere. If the trend holds, Blackwell might be interesting.

what!?

The 4090 increased price, even worst considering the 3090 benefited from crazy MSRP's due to the crypto boom. The other cards are all a disaster, they either are bad value or in some cases they are basically the same or even worst then their predecessors, so calling it "priced more reasonably" is definitely using liberties with the term.

Bomby569what!?

The 4090 increased price, even worst considering the 3090 benefited from crazy MSRP's due to the crypto boom. The other cards are all a disaster, they either are bad value or in some cases they are basically the same or even worst then their predecessors, so calling it "priced more reasonably" is definitely using liberties with the term.

He means that the price goes respectively to the performance you get. Not that they are well priced.
You may forget that 3080 10G, 3080 12G, 3080Ti, 3090 are all within 5-7% of difference while the 3090 cost twice the 3080.

gffermariHe means that the price goes respectively to the performance you get. Not that they are well priced.
You may forget that 3080 10G, 3080 12G, 3080Ti, 3090 are all within 5-7% of difference while the 3090 cost twice the 3080.

ok i get what you mean, but the 4080 class was clearly priced in a way so everyone gets the 4090 class of cards instead, the "the price goes respectively to the performance" does not seem valid here to me at least

the 4070's and 4060's are such a disaster that it's hard to say where is the value, but i guess it scales a little better, even if i think they were priced so you buy the neverending stock of 3060's and 3070's first, not considering those cards on their own. When that happens you'll probably get the "true" price for those cards.

Bomby569ok i get what you mean, but the 4080 class was clearly priced in a way so everyone gets the 4090 class of cards instead, the "the price goes respectively to the performance" does not seem valid here to me at least

the 4070's and 4060's are such a disaster that it's hard to say where is the value, but i guess it scales a little better, even if i think they were priced so you buy the neverending stock of 3060's and 3070's first, not considering those cards on their own. When that happens you'll probably get the "true" price for those cards.

I mean, 4070s and 4060s are not easy to recommend by any means. But they're easier to recommend than 3070s and 3060s were around launch.

bugI mean, 4070s and 4060s are not easy to recommend by any means. But they're easier to recommend than 3070s and 3060s were around launch.

Apart from the AMD 6600 series, or the 6700 series when it's on discount, nothing can be recommended for gaming, imo.

bugI mean, 4070s and 4060s are not easy to recommend by any means. But they're easier to recommend than 3070s and 3060s were around launch.

but that was in the context of the crypto boom (and later the shortage that sure came after the 1st 3000 cards came out but was very much a thing when the later ones come out) that clearly messed all pricing. It is all now fixed.

bugI mean, 4070s and 4060s are not easy to recommend by any means. But they're easier to recommend than 3070s and 3060s were around launch.

I imagine you are pointing to the scalped prices of RTX 3070 and 3060, not their MSRP? They really launched at an inconvenient time, at the height of cyptomadness.

But saying Ada is more appealing than Ampere because at one point in time Ampere cards were much more expensive is just making excuses Nvidia wants you to make. Even the reviewers that explained the higher prices of Ada by comparing them to the scalped record values eventually edited their reviews and deleted that, it didn't go well with the readers. Very few gamers actually bought gaming cards at that time.

Bomby569but that was in the context of the crypto boom (and later the shortage that sure came after the 1st 3000 cards came out but was very much a thing when the later ones come out) that clearly messed all pricing. It is all now fixed.

Crypto was just one factor. Up until Ampere, the MSRPs were going up anyway. Ada is the first generation to curb that. Sure, the 4070Ti's MSRP is still higher than the 3070Ti's was and 4080+ are in "unobtainium" territory. But for the mid-range, it's still the first time I see a move in the right direction in years.

AusWolfApart from the AMD 6600 series, or the 6700 series when it's on discount, nothing can be recommended for gaming, imo.

I'm dying to try RTX and even DLSS first hand. I might recommend myself a 4060Ti, but I'm still really torn about it.

bugCrypto was just one factor. Up until Ampere, the MSRPs were going up anyway. Ada is the first generation to curb that. Sure, the 4070Ti's MSRP is still higher than the 3070Ti's was and 4080+ are in "unobtainium" territory. But for the mid-range, it's still the first time I see a move in the right direction in years.

So, 4080 isn't it, 4070 isn't it, we don't have the reviews of RTX 4060, so you're basing this on a single card, RTX 4060 Ti - that still has the worse price / performance than RTX 3060 Ti - it beats it by only 12%, while being 25% more expensive?

That's the right direction?

:p