TomgangThat's true. But what I mean is, that the longer there go before the next comes out. The longer my current card stay as one the fastest and that will also make me keep it longer.

what?! :D

games are evolving, just because the next card is trash doesn't make your old one better, it just makes the new one trash. Basically like people said the 4070 should be called 4060, that's what is going on right now. The 4060ti should be called 4050ti and the 4060 should be called 4050

pavleItching to see RTX 5060Ti benchmarked. :D

Let me guess! It will be with 100% fake frames. o_O

Vya DomusBoy do I have something to sell you : www.amd.com/system/files/documents/radeon-pro-ssg-datasheet.pdf

AMD got you covered ages ago.

So consumer green team wen?

I dont mind it that much if its Q1. Give me a January launch with plenty of stock over a October launch with price gouging!

bugWell, I haven't bought into anything since I got my 1060 like a bazillion years ago. Hasn't worked too well...

I was talking about people in general, not you. ;) The 1060 is an amazing card, btw. Still the most bang for buck mid-range Nvidia card up to this day, imo (I had one too).

Bomby569DLSS and especially DLSS3 seems amazing, but FSR is great too, and RT is just a gimmick that seems to go nowhere, few games, bad implementation. I have to agree, the tensor cores aren't worth the extra money for sure.

Yeah, DLSS 3 works when you take a million FPS and make it ten billion. I'll have to read some 4060 reviews to see how it works when you actually need it, but I'm expecting some latency issues. We'll see.

bugIf I could ask Mr. Huang one question, I would ask him: if you knew GPUs are only going to get bigger and bigger and at the same time you knew current hardware can't push RTRT too far, why did you pick the moment you picked to bring RTRT into consumer space?

It's not about pushing RTRT as a value added for the customer, it's more about RTRT as a marketing gimmick, imo. They had to put that big RTX logo on the box for people to be amazed by.

TomgangThat's true. But what I mean is, that the longer there go before the next comes out. The longer my current card stay as one the fastest and that will also make me keep it longer.

Does it matter if it's the fastest? I've given up on getting the fastest long ago. My last truly highest-end card was the Radeon HD 7970. Nowadays, I just buy what I need and I'm happy with it.

bugI'm dying to try RTX and even DLSS first hand. I might recommend myself a 4060Ti, but I'm still really torn about it.

8GB... you'll run out of steam fast

bugYes, that is the right direction. After the initial launches (4080 and 4090), Nvidia could have gone on and release the 4070 at $900 and 4060 at $600-700. The fact they stopped their initial madness and released the SKUs at the prices they did give me hope they may be on a new trend.

A trend of performance gen-to-gen stalling and then stalling the pricing too. Well yay? Welcome to stagnationland. Effectively now you're paying 300 bucks, but twice over because you've run out of framebuffer, but Nvidia has a nice 5050ti with 10GB waiting at 350 2,5 years later!

I applaud your attempt to nuance things a bit, but I'm not feeling it much :D Ada's really not a good stack.

Bomby569what?! :D

games are evolving, just because the next card is trash doesn't make your old one better, it just makes the new one trash. Basically like people said the 4070 should be called 4060, that's what is going on right now. The 4060ti should be called 4050ti and the 4060 should be called 4050

My 1080 begged to differ. It held its value exactly because progress was so shit and MSRPs went up for similar performance, or just completely stalled.

Also, there is the market adoption of a certain performance level. Developers are not happy making games that people can't run proper. They scale their performance demands to what the market owns. So if progress stalls, so do the games. We've seen this a few times in the past - PS3 era for example. Cards got faster, but we just used them to run higher resolutions and install texture mods while they slowly ate 1080p alive. Today however we have consoles that are matching and surpassing the PC midrange. This is new, and the games ain't waiting for the GPUs because the consoles cover a large part of the market for 'the next big thing', so the demand for high end GPUs on the PC rises - even if you have one from last gen, because the performance gap isn't that big. We've seen that too, along with how pointless it is to wait for the next 'cheap midrange'.

bugIf I could ask Mr. Huang one question, I would ask him: if you knew GPUs are only going to get bigger and bigger and at the same time you knew current hardware can't push RTRT too far, why did you pick the moment you picked to bring RTRT into consumer space?

The answer is simple, raster performance is in such a good place they don't need to push it further. We cán run 4K native. Nobody needs to. I was running 3440x1440 at med/high and very often also ultra settings, on a 6 year old sub top card, a measly silicon slab of 300sq/mm, it says enough.
Additionally, they had to repurpose their Volta technology or they would have had to actually revamp GTX to bring it further, destroying their binning strategy.

Bomby569i wonder if by then we still have 3000 series gpu's on sale of it they finally moved all the stock, probably the most important factor on how good or bad the 5000 series will be



Certainly will be a pleasure to continue to enjoy games at 30fps on consoles, and they are still new consoles, it can only get better and better.
console gamers living the dream for sure

For 550USD device like PS5 or even XBoX, gaming experience is amazing! from the POV of a gamer not a frame tracer... many games go up to 120fps with less hectic image filters but it's not a depate of PC gaming VS consoles at this point.. each to his own!

But you can't simply deny the fact that PC gaming is living the worst times ever, less sales and higher GPU prices, unless you are ok getting nailed badly with a 4090 for at least 1600+USD and calling that "Price per Performance" .. have you seen the amount of bugs on PC games? and how badly optimized they are? I feel so bad for someone having a card like 4060 Ti for example which is a monster compared to PS5 GPU and check how this card performs in a game like Harry Potter....

If someone wants to game and not watch the fps counter, he can buy a cheap AM4 (or alternative) bundle and a used 6000 gpu(or alternative but cheap) and destroy any PS5/XBOX.
The exclusive* pc features like RT, DLSS etc. cost ridiculously a lot. But that's up to personal preference if you are keen to pay for that. But casual gaming, I think the available pc hardware in stock and in used market are way better than any console.

*exclusive as for the practical term. In pc only you can practically see what these features do, regardless if it's worth paying for that or not. In consoles, RT is a joke at the moment.

Vayra868GB... you'll run out of steam fast

The benchmarks don't really support your assertion, at least for today's games.
www.techpowerup.com/review/msi-geforce-rtx-4060-gaming-x/34.html

You can see that the more powerful cards like the 3070/3070 Ti are still able to top the RT charts here in every tested game up to 1440p.

I expect 8GB to kick the bucket when the next gen of consoles arrive, but given typical console lifecycles, that's still 3-4 years away.

gffermariIf someone wants to game and not watch the fps counter, he can buy a cheap AM4 (or alternative) bundle and a used 6000 gpu(or alternative but cheap) and destroy any PS5/XBOX.
The exclusive* pc features like RT, DLSS etc. cost ridiculously a lot. But that's up to personal preference if you are keen to pay for that. But casual gaming, I think the available pc hardware in stock and in used market are way better than any console.

*exclusive as for the practical term. In pc only you can practically see what these features do, regardless if it's worth paying for that or not. In consoles, RT is a joke at the moment.

Exactly. You don't need a 4090 if you want better-than-console experience. Not to mention, playing with a controller instead of a keyboard and mouse is not an option for some people (like me).