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AMD Confirms New "Enthusiast-class" Radeon 7000-series Graphics Cards This Quarter

Aug 2nd, 2023 03:40 Discuss (102 Comments)

AMD CEO Dr Lisa Su, in her Q2-2023 Financial Results call, confirmed that the company will launch new "enthusiast-class" gaming graphics cards within Q3-2023 (any time before October). "In gaming graphics, we expanded our Radeon 7000 GPU series in the second quarter with the launch of our mainstream RX 7600 cards for 1080p gaming. We are on track to further expand our RDNA 3 GPU offerings with the launch of new, enthusiast-class Radeon 7000 series cards in the third quarter," she stated.

There are two distinct possibilities of what "enthusiast class" entails. The first and most obvious one, could be the introduction of the RX 7800 series, including the RX 7800 XT, which is expected to closely resemble the limited-edition RX 7900 GRE by the specs; but a less talked-about possibility could even be the RX 7950 series. In its testing, the RX 7900 GRE was found to offer raster 3D performance comparable to the previous-generation RX 6950 XT although with better ray tracing performance on account of improved Ray Accelerators, which would put it behind the GeForce RTX 4070 Ti that AMD is trying to compete with. This should mean that for AMD to have a compelling "RX 7800 XT" product, it should perform faster than the RX 7900 GRE (possible through higher clock speeds or a few more CU).

The Radeon RX 7950 series is an exercise at significantly shoring up performance over the RX 7900 series, by increasing clock speeds and power limits. AMD is probably hoping for the RX 7950 XTX to take a swing at the performance crown held by the RTX 4090, while the RX 7950 XT could get a little closer to the performance of the RTX 4080. The current RX 7900 XT already beats the RTX 4070 Ti.

The announcement could also be a hint at the likelihood of mobile versions of the RX 7900 series, given that AMD has already developed the mobile-friendly package that's found powering the desktop RX 7900 GRE. This package is physically smaller than the regular "Navi 31," has lower Z-height, and is hence optimized for notebooks. Its lower pin-count could indicate a narrower 256-bit wide GDDR6 memory bus, and fewer power pins to go with the lower power-limits.

Sources: AMD Investor Relations, VideoCardz

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102 Comments on AMD Confirms New "Enthusiast-class" Radeon 7000-series Graphics Cards This Quarter

#26

Dimitriman

Just launch the 7900 GRE as the 7800XT and at $549~$599 and make us happy...

but no... never gonna happen.

#27

Ruru

S.T.A.R.S.

Sucks that still only minor leaks about the RX 7800 series. That's what interests me.

pavleHow about making a proper RX 7970 instead?

Funny that I have a Matrix HD 7970 and its triple-slot cooler doesn't look that beefy these days anymore. :laugh:

#28

MrDweezil

Prices on the 6700/6800/6950 cards have actually inched back up a bit over the last 2 months compared to the sales they were having in May, so I guess they've sold though the excess inventory and need something to sell.

#29

GerKNG

they should "unlaunch" RDNA3 and re-release them like that.
7900XTX to 7900XT (799€)
7900XT to 7800XT (599€)
7900 GRE to 7800 (499€)

People tend to forget that new hardware is supposed to be faster than the old one without paying 1:1 for the performance increase... otherwise we would pay 30 grand for a 4090 when we compare it to a FX 5900 Ultra.

#30

BorisDG

If it's true, I wonder if nVidia won't revive the 4090Ti. :p

#31

trsttte

john_I have a theory that we are going to 4 years circle in gaming GPUs. I believe that Ada Next might be just a refresh of Ada with cards that will be fixing some of the current line issues. Maybe this is one more reason why Nvidia released such a flawed series. To make 5000 series look superior to 4000 series, while being the same architecture. So, maybe 4090 Ti will be 5090 with a 512bit data bus, 4080 Ti will end up as a 5080 and all cards underneath will get extra CUDA cores and VRAM to look superior to the current line of 4060s and 4070s. AMD done that in the past, in their gloom and doom days when they didn't had much money to spend. When they gone from 7000 series to 200 series.

Why I am saying it? Because AMD is not really in a hurry to come out with these new RDNA3 cards. Maybe they are not better than 6000 series or even worst in some cases (video playback power usage), maybe they are more expensive to produce offering nothing new really in performance, maybe there are still too many 6000 cards in the market. We all have speculated those reasons. But what if they KNOW they have time? What if they know that Nvidia will greatly decelerate gaming cards development? We see low end graphics cards that are 10 years or more old to keep selling in the market. Who says that we will keep getting a TRUE new architecture every 2 years? In the past we where expecting a new architecture every year, even sooner than that. Now we are at a 2 years circle. Who says we can't go to 4 years circle with a simple refresh in the middle of that period?

Maybe, but they risk getting the same problem of the current 4000 series where 3000 is just more atractive. We're at a performance point where there's not much to go from here, we're getting high refresh rate at 4k, bumping the resolution further will require a lot more compute and doesn't seem worth it not only on processing but also on storage to save all those high res assets.

Before we go into a 4 year cycle there's also the 3 year option, that could be a good option, but they could also jump into something similar to what cpu's did with a "tick tock" of new architecture and then a refresh improved version (4000 5000 in this case)

Hopefully in the Ada Next/5000 series/whatever they don't forget to implement DP2.1 like on 4000 series at least, that was a dick move that is also helping monitors justify staying with the older standard in what looks like a chicken and egg problem

#32

john_

trsttteMaybe, but they risk getting the same problem of the current 4000 series where 3000 is just more atractive.

I don't see it as a problem for Nvidia, if the buyer ends up paying Nvidia anyway.

If companies like Nvidia had hit a ceiling and can't produce much stronger GPUs without building something that needs a 2KW PSU and a 360mm water cooling system just to work, they will have to hit the brakes and slow down. They done it already this last decade, going from a one year circle to a two years circle, but I guess they have to slow down even more. We probably have reached the top of current technologies for gaming GPUs.

#33

TheinsanegamerN

Vya DomusYou do realize the price of everything does in fact slowly go up over time right ? Older generations almost always fair better when it comes to perf/dollar.

You do realize that perf/$ is supposed to improve, right? Not stay the same or, worse, decrease between generations?

"but muh inflation/price increases" completely deflects the argument that price gouging has become normalized.

Vya DomusI could compare today's generation to ATI 4000 and GTX 200 series in terms of perf/price but it would be totally worthless unless it's adjusted to how prices have changed since then.

You could absolutely do that, and the current gen woudl blow the doors off of those cards.

Doesnt change the reality that this gen has been a largely sideways move in perf/$.

john_I have a theory that we are going to 4 years circle in gaming GPUs. I believe that Ada Next might be just a refresh of Ada with cards that will be fixing some of the current line issues. Maybe this is one more reason why Nvidia released such a flawed series. To make 5000 series look superior to 4000 series, while being the same architecture. So, maybe 4090 Ti will be 5090 with a 512bit data bus, 4080 Ti will end up as a 5080 and all cards underneath will get extra CUDA cores and VRAM to look superior to the current line of 4060s and 4070s. AMD done that in the past, in their gloom and doom days when they didn't had much money to spend. When they gone from 7000 series to 200 series.

Why I am saying it? Because AMD is not really in a hurry to come out with these new RDNA3 cards. Maybe they are not better than 6000 series or even worst in some cases (video playback power usage), maybe they are more expensive to produce offering nothing new really in performance, maybe there are still too many 6000 cards in the market. We all have speculated those reasons. But what if they KNOW they have time? What if they know that Nvidia will greatly decelerate gaming cards development? We see low end graphics cards that are 10 years or more old to keep selling in the market. Who says that we will keep getting a TRUE new architecture every 2 years? In the past we where expecting a new architecture every year, even sooner than that. Now we are at a 2 years circle. Who says we can't go to 4 years circle with a simple refresh in the middle of that period?

That would be a very dumb move. Yes, AI is the current moneymaker, but gaming is still a multi billion dollar industry, and unlike EVGA, nVidia isnt dumb enough to abandon a lucrative market. They are putting the resources into new architectures anyway, not making gaming versions of them is leaving money on the table.

#34

dyonoctis

john_I have a theory that we are going to 4 years circle in gaming GPUs. I believe that Ada Next might be just a refresh of Ada with cards that will be fixing some of the current line issues. Maybe this is one more reason why Nvidia released such a flawed series. To make 5000 series look superior to 4000 series, while being the same architecture. So, maybe 4090 Ti will be 5090 with a 512bit data bus, 4080 Ti will end up as a 5080 and all cards underneath will get extra CUDA cores and VRAM to look superior to the current line of 4060s and 4070s. AMD done that in the past, in their gloom and doom days when they didn't had much money to spend. When they gone from 7000 series to 200 series.

Why I am saying it? Because AMD is not really in a hurry to come out with these new RDNA3 cards. Maybe they are not better than 6000 series or even worst in some cases (video playback power usage), maybe they are more expensive to produce offering nothing new really in performance, maybe there are still too many 6000 cards in the market. We all have speculated those reasons. But what if they KNOW they have time? What if they know that Nvidia will greatly decelerate gaming cards development? We see low end graphics cards that are 10 years or more old to keep selling in the market. Who says that we will keep getting a TRUE new architecture every 2 years? In the past we where expecting a new architecture every year, even sooner than that. Now we are at a 2 years circle. Who says we can't go to 4 years circle with a simple refresh in the middle of that period?

I think that cutting edge nodes availability and excess inventory is the real determinant for the slower release in the current era : Since TSMC 28nm issues, the only real new arch that we got on a same node was maxwell and RDNA 2 iirc ? It's seems that it became an exception rather than a norm. (Even Apple could only do a refresh in 2022 since they couldn't use TSMC 3nm).

Both AMD and Nvidia had a slower than usual roll out because of their overstock, and from what I've seen on my national/continental tech retailers, AMD still have a fair amount of RDNA 2 GPUs to get rid of. AMD scheduled RDNA 4 for a 2024 release, so If nvidia planned blackwell for a 2026 release, it would mean that they don't think that RDNA4 will be a threat in any shape or form.
Current rumors says that Nvidia isn't planning anything new before 2025...so the 3 year release cycle started ? I'm honestly not mad about that. It give things more time to mature.

#35

R0H1T

That looks like 2023 to me, though it could be delayed a bit for sure.

#36

dyonoctis

R0H1TThat looks like 2023 to me, though it could be delayed a bit for sure.

That's just how AMD launch graph are ,they...shouldn't be read like graphs :D. The first year is the launch of the first product , the last year the launch of the last product.

#37

DemonicRyzen666

Dear AMD Or AMD marketing
please Define what the hell you mean by "enthusiast class" card??? :confused:
$999 was the price of the last generation enthusiast class card RX 6900 XT you sold. What the hell is the ther 7900 XTX if it's not an "enthusiast class card"

#38

R0H1T

DemonicRyzen666please Define what the hell you mean by "enthusiast class" card??? :confused:

They mean are you stupid enough to shell out $1000 or more for just a dGPU, obviously there are too many stupid people these days especially those who can't afford it :shadedshu:

Indian couple sells their baby to buy iPhone 14 for making reels

#39

AusWolf

DemonicRyzen666Dear AMD Or AMD marketing
please Define what the hell you mean by "enthusiast class" card??? :confused:
$999 was the price of the last generation enthusiast class card RX 6900 XT you sold. What the hell is the ther 7900 XTX if it's not an "enthusiast class card"

I'm enthusiastic about everything - so it can mean anything, really. :laugh:

#40

AnotherReader

R0H1TIt wasn't clock speeds IIRC, it probably had something to do with drivers?

Maybe they fixed the software issues finally!

It's both. They missed their clock targets and the driver can't see dual issue opportunities staring it in the face. Honestly, fixing the clock issues, if they had the time and resources to do it, would be easier than fixing the compiler. Compilers are dumber than expert human programmers at optimizing hot code.

#41

Gucky

But doesn't enthusiast mean a 7950XTX? I mean the term enthusiast is reserverd for people who invest the most...
When I google enthusiast GPU I get 6900XT, 7900XTX, 3090 and 4090 as a result...
Or does Lisa mean the 7900 GRE?

I think people interprete too much into it.

#42

MicroUnC

pavleHow about making a proper RX 7970 instead?

#43

Gucky

TheinsanegamerNYou do realize that perf/$ is supposed to improve, right? Not stay the same or, worse, decrease between generations?

"but muh inflation/price increases" completely deflects the argument that price gouging has become normalized.

Yes you should more performance each generation with the same money. I'd say at least +20-30% for 1 GPU generation or CPU over 2 generations or 2 years.
Nvidia gave literally >60-70% raster performance with the 4090, but every class under that gets 10% less per class. 4080 is 50%, 4070Ti is 40%, 4070 is ~30%, 4060Ti is...5-10%...you get why the 4060Ti is bad... :D

Inflation IS very high right now in 2020 what would cost 100$ is not around 118$, that is 18% inflation... So a 3080 that costs 699, costs now ~839$...
In that case the 100$ more for a 4070 DO make sense. Since the 4060Ti is the same 399$, you get how much they are saving with that card.
The 4070Ti was supposed to be the REAL 4080 with 100$ higher price + 100$ inflation adjustment making it 899$ from 699$. The now 4080 16GB is something inbetween... they should have called it 4080Ti, but Jensen wanted to save up the Ti moniker for later after AMD releases their products at that time...

#44

ToTTenTranz

Aren't they referring to the Navi 32 cards, RX7700 12GB and RX7800 16GB?
We're yet to see anything with that chip, and they'll be taking at least 10 months between the release of the first N31 and first N32 card with is really weird.

#45

Unregistered

Could be an improved RDNA3 as it seems RDNA3 didn't achieve their performance targets.

#46

Space Lynx

Astronaut

AusWolfI hope it's the 7800 series. The 7950 XTX would be dumb. An overclocked 7900 XTX will never catch the 4090, only increase prices further for no reason.

7900 series is called Ultra-Enthusiast series by AMD reps, and has been for a long time. so "Enthusiast" line will be 7800 series.

#47

ARF

ToTTenTranzAren't they referring to the Navi 32 cards, RX7700 12GB and RX7800 16GB?
We're yet to see anything with that chip, and they'll be taking at least 10 months between the release of the first N31 and first N32 card with is really weird.

If 7700-12 and 7800-16 are considered "enthusiast" according to AMD, then what is 7600-8? High-end? Ultra-high end? :rolleyes:

#48

mrnagant

3D Stacked cache and HBM3 memory please

#49

AnotherReader

dyonoctisI think that cutting edge nodes availability and excess inventory is the real determinant for the slower release in the current era : Since TSMC 16nm issues, the only real new arch that we got on a same node was maxwell and RDNA 2 iirc ? It's seems that it became an exception rather than a norm. (Even Apple could only do a refresh in 2022 since they couldn't use TSMC 3nm).

Both AMD and Nvidia had a slower than usual roll out because of their overstock, and from what I've seen on my national/continental tech retailers, AMD still have a fair amount of RDNA 2 GPUs to get rid of. AMD scheduled RDNA 4 for a 2024 release, so If nvidia planned blackwell for a 2026 release, it would mean that they don't think that RDNA4 will be a threat in any shape or form.
Current rumors says that Nvidia isn't planning anything new before 2025...so the 3 year release cycle started ? I'm honestly not mad about that. It give things more time to mature.

Turing was also on the same node as Pascal; 12 nm was essentially a tweaked TSMC 16 nm.

#50

ARF

Sadly, but yup.

Radeon HD 4870 (RV770) | 55 nm | 2008 | 956 M tr
+70% performance Radeon HD 5870 (Cypress) | 40 nm | 2009 | 2154 M Tr
+19% performance Radeon HD 6970 (Cayman) | 40 nm | 2010 | 2640 M Tr
+44% performance Radeon HD 7970 (Tahiti) | 28 nm | 2011 | 4313 M Tr
+50% performance Radeon R9 290X (Hawaii) | 28 nm | 2013 | 6200 M Tr
+31% performance Radeon R9 Fury X (Fiji) | 28 nm | 2015 | 8900 M Tr
+32% performance Radeon RX Vega 64 (Vega 10) | 14 nm | 2017 | 12500 M Tr
+22% performance Radeon VII (Vega 20) | 7 nm | 2019 | 13230 M Tr
+95% performance Radeon RX 6900 XT (Navi 21) | 7 nm | 2020 | 26800 M Tr
+47% performance Radeon RX 7900 XTX (Navi 31) | 5 nm - 7+ (6) nm hybrid | 2022 | 57700 M Tr

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