Wednesday, August 2nd 2023

AMD Confirms New "Enthusiast-class" Radeon 7000-series Graphics Cards This Quarter

AMD CEO Dr Lisa Su, in her Q2-2023 Financial Results call, confirmed that the company will launch new "enthusiast-class" gaming graphics cards within Q3-2023 (any time before October). "In gaming graphics, we expanded our Radeon 7000 GPU series in the second quarter with the launch of our mainstream RX 7600 cards for 1080p gaming. We are on track to further expand our RDNA 3 GPU offerings with the launch of new, enthusiast-class Radeon 7000 series cards in the third quarter," she stated.

There are two distinct possibilities of what "enthusiast class" entails. The first and most obvious one, could be the introduction of the RX 7800 series, including the RX 7800 XT, which is expected to closely resemble the limited-edition RX 7900 GRE by the specs; but a less talked-about possibility could even be the RX 7950 series. In its testing, the RX 7900 GRE was found to offer raster 3D performance comparable to the previous-generation RX 6950 XT although with better ray tracing performance on account of improved Ray Accelerators, which would put it behind the GeForce RTX 4070 Ti that AMD is trying to compete with. This should mean that for AMD to have a compelling "RX 7800 XT" product, it should perform faster than the RX 7900 GRE (possible through higher clock speeds or a few more CU).
The Radeon RX 7950 series is an exercise at significantly shoring up performance over the RX 7900 series, by increasing clock speeds and power limits. AMD is probably hoping for the RX 7950 XTX to take a swing at the performance crown held by the RTX 4090, while the RX 7950 XT could get a little closer to the performance of the RTX 4080. The current RX 7900 XT already beats the RTX 4070 Ti.

The announcement could also be a hint at the likelihood of mobile versions of the RX 7900 series, given that AMD has already developed the mobile-friendly package that's found powering the desktop RX 7900 GRE. This package is physically smaller than the regular "Navi 31," has lower Z-height, and is hence optimized for notebooks. Its lower pin-count could indicate a narrower 256-bit wide GDDR6 memory bus, and fewer power pins to go with the lower power-limits.
Sources: AMD Investor Relations, VideoCardz
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102 Comments on AMD Confirms New "Enthusiast-class" Radeon 7000-series Graphics Cards This Quarter

#51
AusWolf
ARFIf 7700-12 and 7800-16 are considered "enthusiast" according to AMD, then what is 7600-8? High-end? Ultra-high end? :rolleyes:
That's the trick in the word "enthusiast". When you say low, mid, or high (-end), you imply a position within the product stack. "Enthusiast" can be anywhere.
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#52
ARF
AusWolfThat's the trick in the word "enthusiast". When you say low, mid, or high (-end), you imply a position within the product stack. "Enthusiast" can be anywhere.
This is something new. How can there be "low-end enthusiast"?
I mean the product stack is arranged distinctively:

1. Entry level;
2. Low-end;
3. Mid-range;
4. High-end;
5. Enthusiast.

Of course that each point can have subpoints: lower mid-range, upper mid-range...
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#53
AusWolf
ARFThis is something new. How can there be "low-end enthusuast"?
I mean the product stack is arranged distinctively:

1. Entry level;
2. Low-end;
3. Mid-range;
4. High-end;
5. Enthusiast.

Of course that each point can have subpoints: lower mid-range, upper mid-range...
There is no clear definition of an "enthusiast" range. The fact that it's most commonly used for top-end products might be meaningless here.
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#54
ARF
AusWolfThere is no clear definition of an "enthusiast" range. The fact that it's most commonly used for top-end products might be meaningless here.
I think they simply try to overhype and aggressively market something which should have been marketed more carefully and modestly.
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#55
AusWolf
ARFI think they simply try to overhype and aggressively market something which should have been marketed more carefully and modestly.
Sounds a bit like typical Vega-era AMD marketing, I guess.

I never give any credit to preliminary news, teasers, and leaks anyway. I only care about the finished product.
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#56
wNotyarD
ARFIf 7700-12 and 7800-16 are considered "enthusiast" according to AMD, then what is 7600-8? High-end? Ultra-high end? :rolleyes:
As far as I'm aware, they define the 7600 as "mainstream".
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#59
Fouquin
fancuckerrefusal to apply GDDR6X
AMD has no pull in getting GDDR6X. That's developed under a cooperation between NVIDIA and Micron, is not a JEDEC standard, and is not made available to AMD.
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#60
wNotyarD
FouquinAMD has no pull in getting GDDR6X. That's developed under a cooperation between NVIDIA and Micron, is not a JEDEC standard, and is not made available to AMD.
What happened of Samsung's GDDR6W, though?
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#61
AnotherReader
FouquinAMD has no pull in getting GDDR6X. That's developed under a cooperation between NVIDIA and Micron, is not a JEDEC standard, and is not made available to AMD.
I'm not sure Nvidia had any role in the development of GDDR6X. Micron are the DRAM experts and it's rather unlikely that they needed Nvidia's help in designing GDDR6X.
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#62
Fouquin
wNotyarDWhat happened of Samsung's GDDR6W, though?
As far as anyone knows it is still in development. Samsung only announced the design targets for GDDR6W in late November, notably three weeks after AMD launched RDNA3. So if you were hoping AMD would time travel into the future to put GDDR6W on their cards, sorry to disappoint.
AnotherReaderI'm not sure Nvidia had any role in the development of GDDR6X. Micron are the DRAM experts and they are unlikely to need Nvidia's help in designing GDDR6X.
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#63
wNotyarD
FouquinSo if you were hoping AMD would time travel into the future to put GDDR6W on their cards, sorry to disappoint.
No disappointment here. Just that I remembered seeing something about it but without any memory of when.
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#64
tfdsaf
fancuckerthe dual issue FP32 fell flat (they should've expanded the CU count)
no proper dedicated raytracing units (strong reliance on shaders and an anemic cache hierarchy to feed it)
refusal to apply GDDR6X and instead rely on relatively slow last level cache
and the cherry on the cake, cant even hit target clock speeds outside of certain compute scenarios

RDNA3 is a veritable dud and at this point i wish AMD would sell the graphics division to Apple or something to ensure the IP and engineering legacy isnt wasted
Just the patents and knowledge they have is literally worth 100 billion and more!

That is a fucking joke!
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#65
SunWukong
Enthusiast means top of charts, top dollar GPU by Lisa Su. If it was the 7700/7800 then she'll say mainstream or high end but not enthusiast level or best of the best. Just like Ryzen series lineup.
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#66
HisDivineOrder
7900 GRE LE 12GB and 7900 GRE LOL 10GB incoming.

7900's as far as the eye can see!
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#67
AusWolf
HisDivineOrder7900 GRE LE 12GB and 7900 GRE LOL 10GB incoming.

7900's as far as the eye can see!
We also have a 7600 that they might as well called 7900 LE or something. Or is it actually a "9", just upside down?
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#68
AnotherReader
AusWolfWe also have a 7600 that they might as well called 7900 LE or something. Or is it actually a "9", just upside down?
Well played. They might as well rotate that 6 and exchange it with the 7 to get 9700: the first great AMD GPU.
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#69
oxrufiioxo
AusWolfWe also have a 7600 that they might as well called 7900 LE or something. Or is it actually a "9", just upside down?
I'm down for a 7969 Uber Su Edition
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#70
Fluffmeister
RadeonProVegaum where is FSR 3?
It's gonna be introduced with Starfield:
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#71
Denver
I like the theory that the 7970XTX could double the infinity cache using 3D stacking, and get a better memory, faster than GDDR6X* (from Samsung, would also be used in PS5 pro) to increase bandwidth and reduce consumption slightly.

* semiconductor.samsung.com/dram/gddr/gddr6/
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#72
Lost_Wanderer
RX 7800's. Maybe a new flagship too? Increased Infinity Cache and/or an X2 (-95)?


I don't plan on upgrading, or replacing anything desktop-wise for a minute but I still want to see what happens.
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#73
Eiji
7900 GRE EDITION
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#74
AusWolf
Eiji7900 GRE EDITION
Golden Rabbit Edition Edition? :p
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#75
mechtech
A question for all the silicon experts out there @TheLostSwede and others.

If you can make chiplet and slap all that stuff on an interposer??................would it be possible to take say 2 small cheaper chips like an RX6600 and 'glue' them together?? Would it work and be cheaper than a single RX6800 chip??
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