Friday, October 13th 2023
AMD Ryzen X3D Processors are Popular with TPU Readers, 23% Market Share: Poll Results
AMD Ryzen processors with 3D Vertical Cache technology, denoted with the "X3D" brand extension on processor model numbers, are showing unexpected popularity numbers with close to a quarter of respondents to a TechPowerUp Frontpage Poll question saying that they use one. In August, we asked our readers if they use a Ryzen X3D processor. The question was "Are you using an AMD Ryzen X3D CPU with 3D V-Cache?" This was a few months into the launch of the Ryzen 7000X3D processor series that restored the gaming performance leadership for AMD against Intel's 13th Gen Core "Raptor Lake" processors.
Since the poll went live in August, we've seen 31,862 responses. From these, 14,732, or 46% say that they use a classic Ryzen processor (one without 3D V-cache). followed by 9,780 or 31% saying they use an Intel processor; an impressive 4,316 or 14% saying they use a Socket AM4 Ryzen 5000X3D series processor (5800X3D or 5600X3D); followed by 3,034 or 10% saying they use the latest 7000X3D series "Zen 4" processors. The X3D series together make 7,350 votes, or 23%.The 3D Vertical Cache technology involves enlarging the last-level L3 cache of the processor by stacking the serious of the processor's 7 nm "Zen 3" or 5 nm "Zen 4" CPU core die (CCD) with a 64 MB L3 cache die (L3D) built on the 6 nm process. This die operates at the same performance as the on-die 32 MB L3 cache, and hence adds to it as a 96 MB continuously addressable cache block visible to software. This large amount of fast memory sitting close to the CPU cores allows a larger amount of game data to be stored at a significantly faster storage medium than the DDR4/DDR5 main memory, resulting in tangible gaming performance improvements. Depending on the game, these range anywhere between -2% to 23%.
The Ryzen 7 5800X3D is an exceptionally popular processor, as it allows those on the older Socket AM4 platform to achieve gaming performance on-par with a newer desktop powered by a Core i9-12900K "Alder Lake" processor (around 15% to 20% higher gaming performance than a regular 5800X). AMD's first Ryzen 7000 processors roughly match the 5800X3D in gaming performance despite lacking 3D V-cache, on the backs of improved IPC of the "Zen 4" cores, and faster DDR5 memory, but were swiftly beaten by the 13th Gen Core "Raptor Lake." AMD responded with the 7000X3D processors, which restore the gaming performance leadership over the 13th Gen, with the 7800X3D in particular being the fastest gaming processor that's widely available.
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TechPowerUp Frontpage Poll
Since the poll went live in August, we've seen 31,862 responses. From these, 14,732, or 46% say that they use a classic Ryzen processor (one without 3D V-cache). followed by 9,780 or 31% saying they use an Intel processor; an impressive 4,316 or 14% saying they use a Socket AM4 Ryzen 5000X3D series processor (5800X3D or 5600X3D); followed by 3,034 or 10% saying they use the latest 7000X3D series "Zen 4" processors. The X3D series together make 7,350 votes, or 23%.The 3D Vertical Cache technology involves enlarging the last-level L3 cache of the processor by stacking the serious of the processor's 7 nm "Zen 3" or 5 nm "Zen 4" CPU core die (CCD) with a 64 MB L3 cache die (L3D) built on the 6 nm process. This die operates at the same performance as the on-die 32 MB L3 cache, and hence adds to it as a 96 MB continuously addressable cache block visible to software. This large amount of fast memory sitting close to the CPU cores allows a larger amount of game data to be stored at a significantly faster storage medium than the DDR4/DDR5 main memory, resulting in tangible gaming performance improvements. Depending on the game, these range anywhere between -2% to 23%.
The Ryzen 7 5800X3D is an exceptionally popular processor, as it allows those on the older Socket AM4 platform to achieve gaming performance on-par with a newer desktop powered by a Core i9-12900K "Alder Lake" processor (around 15% to 20% higher gaming performance than a regular 5800X). AMD's first Ryzen 7000 processors roughly match the 5800X3D in gaming performance despite lacking 3D V-cache, on the backs of improved IPC of the "Zen 4" cores, and faster DDR5 memory, but were swiftly beaten by the 13th Gen Core "Raptor Lake." AMD responded with the 7000X3D processors, which restore the gaming performance leadership over the 13th Gen, with the 7800X3D in particular being the fastest gaming processor that's widely available.
100 Comments on AMD Ryzen X3D Processors are Popular with TPU Readers, 23% Market Share: Poll Results
Especially considering in practice it's much closer to 20/80.
www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-and-intel-cpu-market-share-report-recovery-looms-on-the-horizon
What is surprisingly surprising is the fact than btarunr think most of TPU readers are sheeps to buy overexpensive intel air fryers.
I feel insulted :)
Now, arguably, TPU users are more educated on the products than your average consumer and are probably comparing empirical data, but what's most interesting is how TPU users so drastically differ from typical consumers (who obviously buys intel)....it would be really interesting to study how each group makes their decisions and on what criteria.
Edit: Kinda have to update my sig now :laugh:
Still good enough for me.
No plans going AMD.
In my summation, the market for NEW desktop CPU sales is reaching a 40/60% split between AMD and Intel respectively.
We love X3D, many of our staff members have bought them with their own money Nobody wanted to insult anyone, we've reworded it to "unexpected"
Intel produces in its own Fabs, and due to depreciation, it is more profitable to sell at a reduced price than to lower the Fab's utilization rate. On the other hand, AMD outsources production to foundries and competes with Apple, nVidia, and Qualcomm for auctions for production slots, so if it wants to increase production it will have to bid higher (i.e. the manufacturing cost per die increases.).
AMD's share increased the most during the period of Intel 14nm vs TSMC N7, but even if it produced CCDs with GF 14nm, which can be mass-produced at a lower cost, it would not have been able to increase its share. At the same time, possibility to increase its share with N7 was limited because of production cost. In order to increase it, a high bid was required. AMD is still selling Zen2 and Zen3 to increase production, but they can't compete with Rpator lake and are only competing with E-core-only CPUs.
The Z1 extreme is an attractive CPU, but it is produced exclusively in small batches by manufacturers who "produce as many parts as they can get". This is probably because they are unable to meet the demands of Dell and HP, which demand a large number of products.
X3D is pretty good if you are a dedicated gamer.
I plan to upgrade to 8800x3d next year when it launches and sell my 5600x3d on here shortly after.
Most TPU readers are gamers -- among gamers I would think that share is pretty average. X3D is the best at gaming, but is expensive and struggles at everything else.
When you aggregate in the larger market you're bringing in a ton of user types who either don't care about x3d at all/know it exists/don't game etc. so that share will drop massively.
For the price you can get a 7900x - which dollar per dollar smashes the x3d in non gaming tasks.