Friday, October 13th 2023
AMD Ryzen X3D Processors are Popular with TPU Readers, 23% Market Share: Poll Results
AMD Ryzen processors with 3D Vertical Cache technology, denoted with the "X3D" brand extension on processor model numbers, are showing unexpected popularity numbers with close to a quarter of respondents to a TechPowerUp Frontpage Poll question saying that they use one. In August, we asked our readers if they use a Ryzen X3D processor. The question was "Are you using an AMD Ryzen X3D CPU with 3D V-Cache?" This was a few months into the launch of the Ryzen 7000X3D processor series that restored the gaming performance leadership for AMD against Intel's 13th Gen Core "Raptor Lake" processors.
Since the poll went live in August, we've seen 31,862 responses. From these, 14,732, or 46% say that they use a classic Ryzen processor (one without 3D V-cache). followed by 9,780 or 31% saying they use an Intel processor; an impressive 4,316 or 14% saying they use a Socket AM4 Ryzen 5000X3D series processor (5800X3D or 5600X3D); followed by 3,034 or 10% saying they use the latest 7000X3D series "Zen 4" processors. The X3D series together make 7,350 votes, or 23%.
The 3D Vertical Cache technology involves enlarging the last-level L3 cache of the processor by stacking the serious of the processor's 7 nm "Zen 3" or 5 nm "Zen 4" CPU core die (CCD) with a 64 MB L3 cache die (L3D) built on the 6 nm process. This die operates at the same performance as the on-die 32 MB L3 cache, and hence adds to it as a 96 MB continuously addressable cache block visible to software. This large amount of fast memory sitting close to the CPU cores allows a larger amount of game data to be stored at a significantly faster storage medium than the DDR4/DDR5 main memory, resulting in tangible gaming performance improvements. Depending on the game, these range anywhere between -2% to 23%.
The Ryzen 7 5800X3D is an exceptionally popular processor, as it allows those on the older Socket AM4 platform to achieve gaming performance on-par with a newer desktop powered by a Core i9-12900K "Alder Lake" processor (around 15% to 20% higher gaming performance than a regular 5800X). AMD's first Ryzen 7000 processors roughly match the 5800X3D in gaming performance despite lacking 3D V-cache, on the backs of improved IPC of the "Zen 4" cores, and faster DDR5 memory, but were swiftly beaten by the 13th Gen Core "Raptor Lake." AMD responded with the 7000X3D processors, which restore the gaming performance leadership over the 13th Gen, with the 7800X3D in particular being the fastest gaming processor that's widely available.
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TechPowerUp Frontpage Poll
Since the poll went live in August, we've seen 31,862 responses. From these, 14,732, or 46% say that they use a classic Ryzen processor (one without 3D V-cache). followed by 9,780 or 31% saying they use an Intel processor; an impressive 4,316 or 14% saying they use a Socket AM4 Ryzen 5000X3D series processor (5800X3D or 5600X3D); followed by 3,034 or 10% saying they use the latest 7000X3D series "Zen 4" processors. The X3D series together make 7,350 votes, or 23%.
The Ryzen 7 5800X3D is an exceptionally popular processor, as it allows those on the older Socket AM4 platform to achieve gaming performance on-par with a newer desktop powered by a Core i9-12900K "Alder Lake" processor (around 15% to 20% higher gaming performance than a regular 5800X). AMD's first Ryzen 7000 processors roughly match the 5800X3D in gaming performance despite lacking 3D V-cache, on the backs of improved IPC of the "Zen 4" cores, and faster DDR5 memory, but were swiftly beaten by the 13th Gen Core "Raptor Lake." AMD responded with the 7000X3D processors, which restore the gaming performance leadership over the 13th Gen, with the 7800X3D in particular being the fastest gaming processor that's widely available.
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There is also the fact that if you are into RTS, Turn Based or Single core Games that V cache is exemplary in performance. The next thing AMD users are waiting for are APUs with RDNA cores so we can build our own Steam Decks with super fast RAM.
If you have ever used a 5800X3D as a Gamer you would know but even though the narrative thinks not my 7900X3D is better in every way than the 5800X3D.
I play all sorts of games, but where i can feel the change most is in turnbased games. like OMFG my 3770k is slow compared to this state of the art cpu.
Very pleased, could be funny if it lasted 10y like the old one.
I'm cooling mine with a be quiet! Dark Rock 4 (non-Pro), and my CPU temp barely exceeds 80 °C under the heaviest workloads. In gaming, it sits around 50-55 °C most of the time.
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fyi31% of the market on an am5 platform that has an upgrade path via halo products to potential Zen 6 3d cpus. That 31% is likely to forecast to a higher trajectory for team Red.
Intel is getting squeezed, out, in my opinion not surprising.
Regular Ryzen right up there due to the aggressive pricing on earlier generations.
X3D up there due to its big boost for gaming applications. Gaming was Intel's crown for so long and is (at least modern titles that get reviewed) no longer the case. Ahead on productivity but with joke out of the box power levels.
The 7000 series X3D chips (and I am saying this as an Intel owner) I wouldnt call them at non gaming struggle either, they will still smoke chips like the 9900k in that area. Likewise the raptor lake and 14th gen Intel chips are still very good gaming chips, just no longer the lion of the pack.
- The wattages are drastically lower than the regular CPUs while gaming, making them easier to cool
- Minimum FPS values are drastically higher than non-3D CPUs
- 3D has 50% more dimensions than 2D
3D is the gaming winner, while 'workload' tasks want the 2D chips.AMD found a winning combination with mixed chiplet designs because they can now sell something with the 'best of both' - this approach wouldnt have worked in previous years because intel had to use their market dominance to push Windows to accept and work with mixed CPU designs first with the E-cores.
(As much as current E-core designs annoy me, the concept of mixed cores is an obvious choice for all companies going forward)You were clear you meant that intel doesn't 'smoke' the 3D chips outside of gaming, could you clarify what you mean there?
I've seen contradictory comments from some intel fans that think intel has the best single/multi threaded/gaming performance, but they always disagree on which one they think it's actually superior at, and i'd rather get a summary from someone whos opinion i respect more than a social media random.
Even TPUs blender results (which are lower than many other tests like R23) you can see the power difference clearly
It feels like if you look at one benchmark result seperate to the rest you get an impression - but if you look at them together, you get a very different one.
7800x3D slower than a 12700k?
Wow, that 3D chip is poop!
(8 cores 77W vs 12 core 253W)
The fact an 8 core CPU even comes close to a CPU with 50% more cores and 3x the wattage is incredible
I suppose this is why I like the gaming and MT efficiency charts, as it combines the information together?
Yes, in the real world prices are how products get compared to each other and not core counts but that varies so wildly by region that many of those arguments are meaningless outside the USA.
To answer your question, The 7000 series 3D chips I don't consider poor at productivity they will still out perform previous kings in that area such as the 9900k and older gen Ryzen chips. Is what I meant by the phrase you quoted, I hope that makes more sense.
Only the 7800x3D has the lower MT performance as its pure gaming - the other 3D chips smash multi threaded tests.
The tiny loss here vs the normal 7950x is what i refer to, the 7900x3D is similar.
Only the 5800x3D and 7800x3D lost any MT performance, and the 5800x3D only lost that performance on certain motherboards - mines as fast as my regular 5800x in R23 with the modern AGESAs (and a slight undervolt, because this board overvolts at stock)
The other 3D chips dont, so they dont lose the MT performance.
Surely you can PBO boost the 7800x3D and shrink that massively? I dont have one of them to test, and finding the PBO limits is a nightmare when people report the maximums their BIOS lets them set, rather than what actually works
PBO is pretty much unnecessary at this point, I'm really happy with this chip at stock. :)
I'm not sure if this is one of those things that varies between boards that enable PBO with XMP or not, ASUS have definitely been doing that.
Seen that on the intel side already, where the top end boards default to ~250W and lower end to 125W, meaning the same CPUs perform wildly different - and ASUS definitely don't know what XMP is, since they load custom overclocking profiles when you enable it.
Because lets be honest, these CPUs punch above their weight limits while GPU's are a little stagnant.