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AMD Ryzen X3D Processors are Popular with TPU Readers, 23% Market Share: Poll Results

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AMD Ryzen processors with 3D Vertical Cache technology, denoted with the "X3D" brand extension on processor model numbers, are showing unexpected popularity numbers with close to a quarter of respondents to a TechPowerUp Frontpage Poll question saying that they use one. In August, we asked our readers if they use a Ryzen X3D processor. The question was "Are you using an AMD Ryzen X3D CPU with 3D V-Cache?" This was a few months into the launch of the Ryzen 7000X3D processor series that restored the gaming performance leadership for AMD against Intel's 13th Gen Core "Raptor Lake" processors.

Since the poll went live in August, we've seen 31,862 responses. From these, 14,732, or 46% say that they use a classic Ryzen processor (one without 3D V-cache). followed by 9,780 or 31% saying they use an Intel processor; an impressive 4,316 or 14% saying they use a Socket AM4 Ryzen 5000X3D series processor (5800X3D or 5600X3D); followed by 3,034 or 10% saying they use the latest 7000X3D series "Zen 4" processors. The X3D series together make 7,350 votes, or 23%.
The 3D Vertical Cache technology involves enlarging the last-level L3 cache of the processor by stacking the serious of the processor's 7 nm "Zen 3" or 5 nm "Zen 4" CPU core die (CCD) with a 64 MB L3 cache die (L3D) built on the 6 nm process. This die operates at the same performance as the on-die 32 MB L3 cache, and hence adds to it as a 96 MB continuously addressable cache block visible to software. This large amount of fast memory sitting close to the CPU cores allows a larger amount of game data to be stored at a significantly faster storage medium than the DDR4/DDR5 main memory, resulting in tangible gaming performance improvements. Depending on the game, these range anywhere between -2% to 23%.

The Ryzen 7 5800X3D is an exceptionally popular processor, as it allows those on the older Socket AM4 platform to achieve gaming performance on-par with a newer desktop powered by a Core i9-12900K "Alder Lake" processor (around 15% to 20% higher gaming performance than a regular 5800X). AMD's first Ryzen 7000 processors roughly match the 5800X3D in gaming performance despite lacking 3D V-cache, on the backs of improved IPC of the "Zen 4" cores, and faster DDR5 memory, but were swiftly beaten by the 13th Gen Core "Raptor Lake." AMD responded with the 7000X3D processors, which restore the gaming performance leadership over the 13th Gen, with the 7800X3D in particular being the fastest gaming processor that's widely available.
Source: TechPowerUp Frontpage Poll

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#26
Guwapo77
QuietBobNow that CS2 is out I'm expecting the 5800X3D/7800X3D to become a popular choice with competitive gamers as well:

I would really like to see where my son's 5600X3D lands on this chart.
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#27
AusWolf
phanbueyLike against 7700x the 7800x3d is more expensive and generally loses in non-gaming tasks.
That doesn't mean it "struggles". A 10% difference in rendering, for example, is not a lot if your main focus is gaming.
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#28
phanbuey
AusWolfThat doesn't mean it "struggles".
per dollar - if you match - you can buy the 7900x or the 13700 - that's where the struggle is. It does 'struggle' relative to similar priced options.



That's a pretty big delta for the same $$.
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#29
AusWolf
phanbueyper dollar - if you match - you can buy the 7900x or the 13700 - that's where the struggle is. It does 'struggle' relative to similar priced options.
Which is fine - you can get either of those if you need the CPU mainly for work. X3D is a different animal.
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#30
phanbuey
AusWolfWhich is fine - you can get either of those if you need the CPU for work. X3D is a different animal.
That's exactly my point -- most of the market needs the CPU for work. TPU is full of enthusiasts who game and build rigs on the side for personal use and gaming -> which is where X3D is the best of the best.
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#31
Guwapo77
phanbueyLike against 7700x the 7800x3d is more expensive and generally loses in non-gaming tasks.

For the price you can get a 7900x - which dollar per dollar smashes the x3d in non gaming tasks.
Losing and struggling are two vastly different things. It struggles at nothing, but the clock speed does reduce productivity tasks ever so slightly that most folks won't even notice the difference. Its a small sacrifice for top tier gaming.
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#32
TheinsanegamerN
Love the 5800x3d. For my media machine though, it's getting a 12400f since AMD has just totally abandoned the budget market.
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#33
AusWolf
phanbueyThat's exactly my point -- most of the market needs the CPU for work. TPU is full of enthusiasts who game and build rigs on the side for personal use and gaming -> which is where X3D is the best of the best.
Ah, I see what you mean. :)
Guwapo77Losing and struggling are two vastly different things. It struggles at nothing, but the clock speed does reduce productivity tasks ever so slightly that most folks won't even notice the difference. Its a small sacrifice for top tier gaming.
And this is what I meant. :D
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#34
BoboOOZ
phanbueyIt's kind of like going to whole foods and asking people if they prefer vegan options.

Most TPU readers are gamers -- among gamers I would think that share is pretty average. X3D is the best at gaming, but is expensive and struggles at everything else.

When you aggregate in the larger market you're bringing in a ton of user types who don't know much about PC hardware.
Fixed it for you

Most of the desktop market is still gamers, believe me, I spend a lot of time on consumer fora. It's just that people aren't that knowledgeable about hardware. Some buy 16 cores and 64GB of RAM for gaming, with entry level GPU's:cool:
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#35
oxrufiioxo
phanbueyThat's exactly my point -- most of the market needs the CPU for work. TPU is full of enthusiasts who game and build rigs on the side for personal use and gaming -> which is where X3D is the best of the best.
I think it's awesome that there are good CPU's out there for all task on mainstream platforms. Even the most hardcore intel fanboys should be thanking AMD for not sucking post 2017 the CPU world has gotten a lot better since then. Shame HEDT had to die though.
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#36
Vayra86
NostrasI'm especially surprised by the Intel/AMD ratio. I'm well aware the ratio is much improved for AMD for enthusiasts, but I didn't expect AMD to go well over 50%.
Especially considering in practice it's much closer to 20/80.
www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-and-intel-cpu-market-share-report-recovery-looms-on-the-horizon
Part of that (in TPU's poll) might very well be a result skewed towards Ryzen unfairly. Why? People own multiple systems, what if you always had Intel and recently switched one of them over to Ryzen? Doesn't mean they're all going to be. Growth in Zen's share is likely overrepresented a little bit.
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#37
phanbuey
oxrufiioxoI think it's awesome that there are good CPU's out there for all task on mainstream platforms. Even the most hardcore intel fanboys should be thanking AMD for not sucking post 2017 the CPU world has gotten a lot better since then. Shame HEDT had to die though.
I ran out and bought the first r7 1700 - and built 3 data workstations with them -- they're still running and being used as dev boxes. AMD absolutely smashed it back then.
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#38
AusWolf
Vayra86Part of that might very well be a result skewed towards Ryzen unfairly. Why? People own multiple systems, what if you always had Intel and recently switched one of them over to Ryzen? Doesn't mean they're all going to be. Growth in Zen's share is likely overrepresented a little bit.
That's a valid point. I voted Ryzen 7000X3D, as that's my main system, but I have two other PCs and a netbook that are all Intel.
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#39
Nanochip
Regardless of whether you’re team Red or Blue, we must admit that healthy competition between the two x86 brands is beneficial to us consumers. Whenever either brand is dominant, prices rise. When both are competitive, prices fall. Look at the 5950X prices when Rocket Lake was all Intel had… AMD was charging $800+. But after Alder Lake dropped, with impressive performance, the mighty 5950X declined significantly in price. And then with the 7950X / 7950X3D, AMD did not charge $800 again. But I would bet that AMD would have charged $800 or more if there was no Alder Lake / Raptor Lake. Also, Intel likely would charge $1000 or more if it could get away with it.

Competition benefits us consumers, and I’m looking forward to Zen 5, Arrow Lake, and Thunderbolt 5 / USB4v2! Full steam ahead!
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#40
oxrufiioxo
Vayra86Part of that (in TPU's poll) might very well be a result skewed towards Ryzen unfairly. Why? People own multiple systems, what if you always had Intel and recently switched one of them over to Ryzen? Doesn't mean they're all going to be. Growth in Zen's share is likely overrepresented a little bit.
I think what AMD has done to intel is kill their margins though it's lower than it has ever been.
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#41
ratirt
AusWolfThat's a valid point. I voted Ryzen 7000X3D, as that's my main system, but I have two other PCs and a netbook that are all Intel.
I have Zen 5800x as my gaming rig but I also have 2 threadrippers and 2 Xeons but I would not vote for any of the servers or the HEDTs but rather my gaming rig. Does it skew the results? I would not say so.
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#42
oxrufiioxo
ratirtI have Zen 5800x as my gaming rig but I also have 2 threadrippers and 2 Xeons but I would not vote for any of the servers or the HEDTs but rather my gaming rig. Does it skew the results? I would not say so.
My four main systems 3 desktops and a laptop are all Ryzen. I retired all my intel systems a while back I am hoping the next intel socket is really good though.
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#43
freeagent
I enjoy benchmarking, so for me X3D is very limited, I hardly use it in fact. It really bugs me that they don’t let you overclock it.
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#44
oxrufiioxo
freeagentI enjoy benchmarking, so for me X3D is very limited, I hardly use it in fact. It really bugs me that they don’t let you overclock it.
You'd probably be sitting on a mountain of dead X3D cpu's :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
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#45
Vayra86
oxrufiioxoI think what AMD has done to intel is kill their margins though it's lower than it has ever been.
Perhaps to some extent, but I don't think the damage is huge; not once did, say, an i5 get cheaper than it was during the quadcore era. Perhaps sporadically and/or locally... Even corrected for inflation there isn't much movement. Intel is also still upselling the K-CPUs and even placed a KS on top.
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#46
oxrufiioxo
Vayra86Perhaps to some extent, but I don't think the damage is huge; not once did, say, an i5 get cheaper than it was during the quadcore era. Perhaps sporadically and/or locally... Even corrected for inflation there isn't much movement.
Sure but the cost to produce their current i5 vs an i5 pre 2017 is substantially higher for them they would love to charge more I'm sure but can't.
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#47
freeagent
oxrufiioxoYou'd probably be sitting on a mountain of dead X3D cpu's :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
The main reason why I snubbed AM5 :)
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#48
QuietBob
Guwapo77I would really like to see where my son's 5600X3D lands on this chart.
CS2 doesn't seem to take advantage of more than six cores, so I would expect the 5600X3D to be very close in performance to its bigger brother.
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#49
oxrufiioxo
freeagentThe main reason why I snubbed AM5 :)
I use to be like you now I just like stock lol guess I am getting old lol.
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#50
freeagent
oxrufiioxoI use to be like you now I just like stock lol guess I am getting old lol.
You didn’t hear it from me but..

Stock isn’t so bad.. much quieter that’s for sure :D
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