Monday, November 27th 2023
AMD Phoenix AM5 APUs to Get Ryzen 8000 Series Branding, Company Readies 5000GT Series for AM4
AMD is giving final touches to its first APUs for the Socket AM5 desktop platform. A report by Sakhtafzar Magazine suggests that the company could give processor models in the series Ryzen 8000G numbering, instead of the previously thought 7000G series. The company is preparing as many as 14 processor models spanning the 4 nm "Phoenix" and "Phoenix 2" monolithic dies. Both chips combine "Zen 4" CPU cores with an iGPU based on the RDNA 3 graphics architecture. While the current Ryzen 7000 series "Raphael" desktop processors feature integrated graphics, AMD doesn't consider them APUs, as their iGPU are just about enough for non-gaming desktop use cases. APUs are designed for entry-level gaming.
The "Phoenix" silicon has up to 8 "Zen 4" CPU cores, and an iGPU with up to 12 RDNA3 compute units. This chip is powering the Ryzen 5 8600G, Ryzen 7 8700G, their PRO variants, and their respective "GE" (energy efficient) sub-variants. The "Phoenix 2" silicon barely qualifies as an APU, as its iGPU only has 4 RDNA3 compute units (compared to the 2 RDNA2 CUs on the "Raphael" iGPU. It also has a maximum CPU core count of 6, from which two are "Zen 4" cores that can sustain higher boost frequency bins, and four are "Zen 4c" cores which run at lower clock speeds (albeit with an identical IPC and ISA). AMD is using "Phoenix 2" on the desktop platform to carve out several sub-$150 class processor models across the Ryzen 5 and Ryzen 3 brands; a package with a monolithic "Phoenix 2" die probably has a lower bill of materials (BOM) than a "Raphael" multi-chip module.
The source also claims to have gaming performance comparisons of the Ryzen 8000G "Phoenix" desktop APU's iGPU, compared to the Ryzen 7 5700G "Cezanne" Socket AM4 desktop APU, where it posts performance gains between 40% to 200% higher. This is because "Cezanne" packs a much older iGPU based on the Vega graphics architecture, while "Phoenix" uses the 3 generations ahead RDNA3.
Sticking with the AM4 platform, and AMD is planning to release several new processor models for the older platform, including the Ryzen 7 5700X3D and 5500X3D that feature the 3D Vertical Cache technology that benefits gaming performance; and a handful new APUs, namely the 5700GT and 5600GT. At this point, it's not known what the "T" brand extension signifies in AMD nomenclature. Intel uses "T" to denote energy-efficient SKUs, but AMD uses "E" for that job.
AMD is expected to announce the new Socket AM5 and AM4 processors on January 31, the article says.
Sources:
Sakhtafzar Magazine, Wccftech, VideoCardz
The "Phoenix" silicon has up to 8 "Zen 4" CPU cores, and an iGPU with up to 12 RDNA3 compute units. This chip is powering the Ryzen 5 8600G, Ryzen 7 8700G, their PRO variants, and their respective "GE" (energy efficient) sub-variants. The "Phoenix 2" silicon barely qualifies as an APU, as its iGPU only has 4 RDNA3 compute units (compared to the 2 RDNA2 CUs on the "Raphael" iGPU. It also has a maximum CPU core count of 6, from which two are "Zen 4" cores that can sustain higher boost frequency bins, and four are "Zen 4c" cores which run at lower clock speeds (albeit with an identical IPC and ISA). AMD is using "Phoenix 2" on the desktop platform to carve out several sub-$150 class processor models across the Ryzen 5 and Ryzen 3 brands; a package with a monolithic "Phoenix 2" die probably has a lower bill of materials (BOM) than a "Raphael" multi-chip module.
Sticking with the AM4 platform, and AMD is planning to release several new processor models for the older platform, including the Ryzen 7 5700X3D and 5500X3D that feature the 3D Vertical Cache technology that benefits gaming performance; and a handful new APUs, namely the 5700GT and 5600GT. At this point, it's not known what the "T" brand extension signifies in AMD nomenclature. Intel uses "T" to denote energy-efficient SKUs, but AMD uses "E" for that job.
AMD is expected to announce the new Socket AM5 and AM4 processors on January 31, the article says.
99 Comments on AMD Phoenix AM5 APUs to Get Ryzen 8000 Series Branding, Company Readies 5000GT Series for AM4
I just had to buy a laptop and I discarded AMD simply because no website will let you search for 7x40. There aren't too many SKUs to choose from anyway, lumping them all together may help AMD sell to the non-informed customers, but will do little else. Wth is wrong with using one prefix for one architecture?
Part of it is to keep the OEM's happy but more importantly the majority of plebs do infer bigger==better :shadedshu:
I feel like AMD is using this naming scheme in part to pretend to be ahead of Intel by more than they really are. Many enthusiasts point out that AMD is using TSMC N5 and N4 while Intel is still stuck with Intel 7. But a lot of AMD's latest 7xxx chips are not 7x4x, so a lot of what AMD is still making is N6 and N7. So if Intel actually ships Meteor Lake on Intel 4 next month for U-series laptops, Intel may actually be pretty close behind AMD at least in the overall laptop market.
But what does this mean. Is it proof, that AM4 can actually run Ze4? Or this is uncertainty in AM5, and its motherboard mayhem?
My guess the NPU is nothing else, but defective MI300.Exactly. It would be somewhat undestandable, if the CPU was Ze4+, or iGPU was RDNA3.5/4/ But it's exacly the same old chip, that mobile has for a year already. Not only that it's very late to the party. But also their greedy marketing makes AMD huge disservice. They have great product, but they twist and mess its naming to the point, that many would stop bother altogether and will simply avoid.
I wonder if the salespeople can get clue themselves what generation they sell without use of that decoder wheel. Surely it's somewhat better than intel's naming without one. But this is yet a wrong achievement in wrong comptetition. This is silly, that people need a decoder for naming scheme, in order to know if that is not "sh*t in bag", they are buying.But the thing is, they went even with Zen 3 (5xxx) Ryzen series, for both desktop and mobile. So they can, if they want.Indeed. The first number should be the µacrhitecture generation, as it more or less was aligned for previous six gens of Ryzen.