What GHZ? Which povray was used? System to system? I knew my dad had a reason telling me to not hunt in the dark.

Damnet, Intel, back off! You can't even see the bottom of your coffers. Give AMD a break.

GJSNeptuneDamnet, Intel, back off! You can't even see the bottom of your coffers. Give AMD a break.

Why should they give them a break?

This is business.

the true winner of these battles is the consumer, keep up the good work intel

d44veWhy should they give them a break?

This is business.

Right. If you want them to destroy AMD and start gouge prices, good for you. ;) I'll keep hoping with a plea for mercy. :D

jocksteelukthe true winner of these battles is the consumer, keep up the good work intel

Except AMD continues not to gain an edge, and they really need one soon. If AMD falls, who's going to compete with Intel at the consumer level?

AMD is not going out of business anytime soon.

It takes a lot for a company of that size to go out of business

no one really cares about this anyway. I never saw the barcelona benchmarks either.

AMD could be forced to downsize, cut costs where possible, etc. ATI didn't impress after all the hype, and AMD really needs to have the better chips to start filling in the debt they acquired buying ATI.

Remember, AMD has ATI, so that will keep them intact even if they cant get a leg up on the processor market. If they stop making proccessors I may cry:cry: ;) Its those stupid core 2s(yes they are amazing although) they kinda threw AMD out and that was the start fo the downward spiral, even thoug my next upgrade will be a dual core opteron. AMD:toast:

ATI isn't exactly getting AMD to soar at the moment.

WarEagleAUno one really cares about this anyway. I never saw the barcelona benchmarks either.

If you don't care you shouldn't reply. Imagine everyone (1000-1500 people logged on at once) posting "I care" or "I don't care", quite some spam there.
If you haven't seen the AMD benchmarks, look them up.

I kind of agree with GJSNeptune, if intel has the monopoly then prices will soar. I like AMD's cheap efficient processors, until C2D they rocked. Still rock for price/performance IMO.

I don't wish they would back off, I wish AMD would just hurry up with some new stuff, something not even close to A64 architecture.

Haha. AMD hurry. :laugh:

GJSNeptuneHaha. AMD hurry. :laugh:

Sad thing is, it will probably be a while.... unless they have something realllly tricky up their sleeve and not letting anyone know of future designs. That would be awesome. All of a sudden BAM, new badass cpu that intel didn't know about.

I can dream :p

bigboi86I kind of agree with GJSNeptune, if intel has the monopoly then prices will soar. I like AMD's cheap efficient processors, until C2D they rocked. Still rock for price/performance IMO.

I don't wish they would back off, I wish AMD would just hurry up with some new stuff, something not even close to A64 architecture.

Again, a win for the consumer. Before Intel came out with the C2Ds, you couldn't find a dual core for less than about £120, unless you bought used, and even then, price differences were little. Now you can grab a 3600+ for around £45 (and Ebuyer has an AMD t-shirt for £10 :p www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/114785 - be warned, OEM, so no manual, cables, or HSF at all).
Now, we have DDR2, and cheap-as-chips (no pun intended) Dual cores.
Intel IS kind of worried with AMD's price points, to the extent that there are E2x00 C2Ds with 1.6 and 1.8GHz, at 800FSB and 1MB L2 (Which currently cost about £60 for the E2160).

AMD won't go out of business for a very very long time. They're not earning as much as Intel, but when you're earning a few BILLION a year, a company doesn't have to worry much about tying afloat, unless their expenses sky-rocket. With Dell having chosen to start using AMDs, and their love of ATis on their laptops, they're getting richer by the day, and enthusiasts still turn to AMD in most cases, so they have a huge fan-base still.

Also, what are you saying? Intel has a BRILLIANT competitor in VIA! C7 at 3.6GHz could beat a C2D hands down! :D (Well, probably not...)

Ripper3AMD won't go out of business for a very very long time. They're not earning as much as Intel, but when you're earning a few BILLION a year, a company doesn't have to worry much about tying afloat, unless their expenses sky-rocket.

Please inform yourself. But here I'll do it for you. AMD posted a $611 million loss for Q1. They aren't earning anything, because they're still in the red. They only brought in $1.23 billion, so there goes your billions understanding. They have A LOT to worry about.

what barcelona benchmarks?? Link please

I am in shock by all of this. All the "AMD better do something quick" attitudes. AMD held the performance grown forever and a day with the Athlon 64 (K8), and the original Athlon (K7) did quit well too.

AMD isn't going anywhere. The performance grown may change heads from time to time, but it will eventually go back to AMD and from there Intel again. Just chill people, that's the nature of the business.

ChaoticBlanknessI am in shock by all of this. All the "AMD better do something quick" attitudes. AMD held the performance grown forever and a day with the Athlon 64 (K8), and the original Athlon (K7) did quit well too.

In other words, because of the past, they're going to be just fine in the present and future. Right. "They lead with a previous dominating chip, so duh, they'll be fine competing with Intel's dominating chip no matter what they dish."

ChaoticBlanknessAMD isn't going anywhere. The performance grown may change heads from time to time, but it will eventually go back to AMD and from there Intel again. Just chill people, that's the nature of the business.

Yeah, we'll see.

Intel owned the market even when A64s and AXPs were dominating, so it's natural to worry when Intel is so far ahead.

It would be like a Linux user witnessing MS come out with a more modular OS lol.

I've seen allot of cheaper systems starting to ship with AMD Athlons - especially the X2 versions. I think that AMD would be in allot more trouble if Dell hadn't started shipping their systems with AMD CPUs.

I do think that AMD will have a comeback sooner or later, its the way things work (usually). Just like AMD used to be in Intels shadow all the time, then they brought out their Athlon 64s and the two companies swapped places, but AMDs shadow was quite small.

The last time Valve released their average system data thingy, AMD were on top. I think this will happen again, some time in the future for sure.

If Intel wasn't kicking the snot out of AMD right now CPU's would be high dollar still.

Actually, AXP's owned P4's also. The trend didn't start with A64. I miss my good ol AXP at 2.7ghz.

EDIT: ^^^ Uh, Intel is kicking the snot out of AMD right now, and Intel CPU's aren't exactly cheap.

GJSNeptuneIn other words, because of the past, they're going to be just fine in the present and future. Right. "They lead with a previous dominating chip, so duh, they'll be fine competing with Intel's dominating chip no matter what they dish."



Yeah, we'll see.

Ok, worst case scenario... AMD goes bankrupt... INTEL goes full monopoly.

Oh wait, what's that..? Oh look, it's the SEC here to break Intel up into 4 smaller companies. The world will keep turning man, and we'll continue to receive high performing parts.

(Quick example, once upon a time in the US there was 1 phone company!)