Dr. DroI'm confused. You've been repeatedly showing exactly what I said, as far as performance figures go, anyway. I guess anything goes in order to gaslight and shift the goalposts in order to avoid the elephant in the room. They have similar raster performance, and the XTX loses to cards that are several tiers below in both RT and feature set. This is fact, not bias. It doesn't detract from your experience either, so go ahead and enjoy your card. It's a fair tradeoff, no? 5% more raster FPS since you AMD fans allegedly do not care about raytracing, tailored drivers, or any of the RTX ecosystem features, really.

But somehow the need to justify the purchase is omnipresent...

Thank you for your glorious speech; but I don't own a 7900 XTX.. or any (current) AMD card, for that matter. :roll:

And it does appear - from what you've posted - that we are not showing the same graphs... but, I assume you know this already as you clearly picked RT slides (as opposed to true "overall performance") to fit some kind of narrative?



With the 4070 Ti Super coming out recently for such a low price, do you need to convince yourself you've made a good choice with the (expensive MSRP) RTX 4080 or something? Or are you just having a hard time noticing the difference between RT On vs Off and are feeling a bit sad overall? :wtf:

XL-R8RThank you for your glorious speech; but I don't own a 7900 XTX.. or any (current) AMD card, for that matter. :roll:

And it does appear - from what you've posted - that we are not showing the same graphs... but, I assume you know this already as you clearly picked RT slides (as opposed to true "overall performance") to fit some kind of narrative?



With the 4070 Ti Super coming out recently for such a low price, do you need to convince yourself you've made a good choice with the (expensive MSRP) RTX 4080 or something? Or are you just having a hard time noticing the difference between RT On vs Off and are feeling a bit sad overall? :wtf:

Yes, I picked RT slides because I was specifically referring to that, you were the one who tried to counter my argument by attempting to justify it with a series of raster-only charts, and then just resorting to... that argument. It's well established that the 7900 XTX is between very slightly ahead of the 4080 in raster (despite having 33% more memory bandwidth, 80 extra ROPs and TMUs, nearly twice the theoretical fillrates... quite the efficient design, all that for 4%!). Soo... if you don't have a personal stake in this, why defend it? I don't get it?

No comment on the latter. If it wasn't the i9-14900K that made me flinch, it won't be the 4080S and it definitely won't be the 7900 XTX - the card that I intentionally avoided buying to begin with. If I needed more power, I'd have bought the 4090. I didn't even want a 4090, so let that sink in for a moment. I'm not exactly hurting for cash over here, you clearly looked at my system specs to bring that up.

Dr. DroIt's well established that the 7900 XTX is between very slightly ahead of the 4080 in raster (despite having 33% more memory bandwidth, 80 extra ROPs and TMUs, nearly twice the theoretical fillrates... quite the efficient design, all that for 4%!).

NVidia is at it again, man, cheating with reduced quality texture filtering, just like way back when. Radeon provides superior picture quality, don't just look at the numbers, you sheeple!

This is a joke, BTW. I hope everyone understands. I am just channeling early 00-s debates on the topic.

OnasiNVidia is at it again, man, cheating with reduced quality texture filtering, just like way back when. Radeon provides superior picture quality, don't just look at the numbers, you sheeple!

This is a joke, BTW. I hope everyone understands. I am just channeling early 00-s debates on the topic.

But then ATI cheated at Quake III! We're even! :roll:

Dr. DroBut then ATI cheated at Quake III! We're even! :roll:

Hilariously, all the “cheats” NV used are still available in the CP in the form of Optimized setting for AF and Negative LOD Bias. I am not sure if they even WORK with anything post-DX9 and they are completely irrelevant since AF in all its forms is just free on modern GPUs, but it’s there.

OnasiHilariously, all the “cheats” NV used are still available in the CP in the form of Optimized setting for AF and Negative LOD Bias. I am not sure if they even WORK with anything post-DX9 and they are completely irrelevant since AF in all its forms is just free on modern GPUs, but it’s there.

Setting negative LOD bias is great when devs forgot to set it with upscalings (FSR, DLSS, XeSS), for example Cyberpunk 2077 and Dead Space, yes DX12 games can use negative LOD on Nvidia but not AMD

nguyenSetting negative LOD bias is great when devs forgot to set it with upscalings (FSR, DLSS, XeSS), for example Cyberpunk 2077 and Dead Space, yes DX12 games can use negative LOD on Nvidia but not AMD

Okay, that’s cool and good to know. I’ve been setting AF settings globally to Clamp and Maximum Quality for years just to be safe and haven’t given them much thought otherwise. Good to know they are still relevant.

GamesloveNothing new here, no more VRAM. Competitor to RX 7900 XTX - no. Some games won't run at 8K on RTX 4080 Super due VRAM limitation to 16 GB... Absolute disappointment...

The 4070 Ti Super has the same price as the 7900 XTX here(4070 Ti Non Super dropped to 7900 XT price). So I can say, in Hungary the 4080 Super is not the 7900 XTX competitor but a 4080 Non Super Replacement(4080 still cost more even with the below MSRP price than most of the 7900 XTX).
Absolute disappointment... +1

its exactly 5% faster, nvidia scummy again review and launch at the same day. guess why:laugh:

nguyenSetting negative LOD bias is great when devs forgot to set it with upscalings (FSR, DLSS, XeSS), for example Cyberpunk 2077 and Dead Space, yes DX12 games can use negative LOD on Nvidia but not AMD

Not sure about recent drivers, but a while back you could edit the registry to set negative LOD bias with Radeon cards.

I never bothered with it on either vendor's cards.