I can't wait

And now I have to wait longer for something I didn't know I was waiting for...dang

Roll out Blackwell already.

~5% increase in performance over the original model. What is to be seen there?

AteXIleR~5% increase in performance over the original model. What is to be seen there?

Nothing new here, no more VRAM. Competitor to RX 7900 XTX - no. Some games won't run at 8K on RTX 4080 Super due VRAM limitation to 16 GB... Absolute disappointment...

What on earth does publicly delaying achieve other than to draw attention to the fact that you don't want reviews available before they go on sale?

I guess the huge "success" of the 4070 Ti Super influenced the decision to delay the review embargo. :laugh: Pretty sure the reviewers will be totally on fire over the 5% performance increase.


Pre-Order Now! They will fly of the shelf in no time, so you better secure your 4080 Super now before they are gone. /s

GamesloveCompetitor to RX 7900 XTX - no

I agree.

4080 non-Super is about 5 percent slower in pure raster. 4080 Super is going to be about 5 percent faster than non-Super. So it'll basically match 7900 XTX in raster and destroy in everything else. So it's not a competitor, it's a superior GPU. OC is of low relevance here because both GPUs can be overclocked, albeit you can OC 7900 XTX a bit more significantly.

GamesloveSome games won't run at 8K

Not a problem. 8K is a luxury and not a necessity. 4K gaming is more than fine and that will do. $$$ needs a bit of adjustment, I agree with that, but overall it's a mighty powerful gaming device.

Gamesloveno more VRAM.

This is only a problem if you use your GPU for some 3D rendering or other scientific applications. Games don't need more than 16 GB and when they do, both 4080 and 7900 XTX will be kneeling at 20 FPS.

MarsM4NI guess the huge "success" of the 4070 Ti Super influenced the decision to delay the review embargo. :laugh: Pretty sure the reviewers will be totally on fire over the 5% performance increase.

I'm not even sure what all the fuss is about - the vanilla 4080 uses almost the full AD103 silicon so there's very little to unlock; 4.8% more shaders, 2.2% higher clocks - these aren't percentages to get excited about...

Honestly the only thing that's really worth even glancing at is the pricing. The 4080 goes for $1200-1600, and in two days time they will be inferior to the $999 4080S. It's still not exactly "a bargain" but it's a non-trivial price cut that will cascade down through the whole market, starting with the 7900 XTX, which in turn will impact the 4070Ti S, and so the dominoes will fall...

This is pointlessly dramatic, It was always going to be Wednesday.

Chrispy_I'm not even sure what all the fuss is about, these aren't percentages to get excited about...

Honestly the only thing that's really worth even glancing at is the price cut that will cascade down through the whole market, dominoes will fall...

100%

GamesloveNothing new here, no more VRAM. Competitor to RX 7900 XTX - no. Some games won't run at 8K on RTX 4080 Super due VRAM limitation to 16 GB... Absolute disappointment...

8k? Try a 4090.

GamesloveNothing new here, no more VRAM. Competitor to RX 7900 XTX - no. Some games won't run at 8K on RTX 4080 Super due VRAM limitation to 16 GB... Absolute disappointment...

Disappointment is what I feel when I read posts like this. There is no gaming scenario whatsoever that the XTX's 24 GB proves to be an edge over the 4080's 16 GB, no matter the resolution, the exact same way that the RTX 3090's 24 GB literally didn't matter over the RX 6900 XT's 16 GB. This is non-issue, and the 4080 Super will likely close the <5% raster gap between the 7900 XTX and the original 4080 (not that this ever really mattered, it didn't, to the point of being a pyrrhic victory if you even purchased the XTX over the 4080 because of this).

AteXIleR~5% increase in performance over the original model. What is to be seen there?

Just a price drop. Thats pretty much it.

There's no way they can enforce a change in embargo date and this shouldn't be news since embargo dates are themselves under embargo :D I believe there's nothing to see here, not like the card is expected to be particularly good or to change the currently horrid gpu landscape, some units got delayed and some even went for sale too soon so the information is out there.

Chrispy_the vanilla 4080 uses almost the full AD103

No AD102 for this super version? That's a shame, really absolutely pointless then :(

Dr. DroThere is no gaming scenario whatsoever that the XTX's 24 GB proves to be an edge over the 4080's 16 GB

That's not entirely true. There's no benefit in having 24gb instead of 16gb vram capacity (today that is) but there are very real benefits in having a 384bits bus instead of 256 ;)

trsttteNo AD102 for this super version? That's a shame, really absolutely pointless then :(

All of the AD102 dies are going into 4090s that are selling like hotcakes to AI farms for $2000 a pop.

The 4090s are already the lowest-grade, defective AD102 silicon that didn't make the cut to become $7000 Quadro RTX cards or $12000 L40 datacentre acellerators.

trsttteThat's not entirely true. There's no benefit in having 24gb instead of 16gb vram capacity (today that is) but there are very real benefits in having a 384bits bus instead of 256 ;)

The increased bandwidth also tends not to matter all that much, just like it didn't with the 3090 vs. the 6900 XT either. In pure raster the reference 4080 is at around 98% the performance of the XTX and factoring in RT it's around 115%, when compared to the Taichi White which is one of the higher end XTX aftermarket designs.

Beginner Micro DeviceThis is only a problem if you use your GPU for some 3D rendering or other scientific applications. Games don't need more than 16 GB and when they do, both 4080 and 7900 XTX will be kneeling at 20 FPS.

You can pretty easily hit over 20GB with graphics mods (texture packs + DynDOLOD) in Skyrim or Fallout and it looks pretty sweet. That drives the sales of a lot of 7900s and 4090s.

For the sake of science: I have both an XTX and a 4080. The 7900 XTX is generally unfazed if you hit 20GB, but the 4080 starts to hitch/stutter when it starts bouncing off the VRAM ceiling.

If you stay below 15GB both cards are roughly the same.

GamesloveCompetitor to RX 7900 XTX - no. Some games won't run at 8K on RTX 4080 Super due VRAM limitation to 16 GB... Absolute disappointment...

Dr. DroDisappointment is what I feel when I read posts like this.

It's so purposely disingenuous, I assumed it was sarcasm.

gmn 17I can't wait

yep 2-5% more performance has me wetting my pants with anticipation.

I wonder why some of you are so excited ? Are you trolling ? I can't tell.
You are hyped by a refresh of a GPU from Sep 20th, 2022 Oo
Unlimited money in your pocket ? Go buy and have fun with the soon obsolete thing.
Just wait for the 5090 and you won't talk about something 5% something 16GB xD

Chrispy_What on earth does publicly delaying achieve other than to draw attention to the fact that you don't want reviews available before they go on sale?

Because potential buyers won't see people like me in forums (or rational/like-minded youtubers using ACTUAL PLAYABILITY NUMBERS/DIFFERENCES) dismantling the absolute piss out of it before they make a snap-judgement to purchase it based on jaded trusted reviewers. It is EXACTLY that.

You know, I know it. The 'old-guard' reviewer/audience disparity has never been wider in terms of being faithful to nVIDIA's marketing, and in this case I don't know if even certain reviewers will save them.

The 4080 was always a great card that cost way too damn much. This will be a good card that still will have a tough time justifying itself versus a 7900xtx, albeit in a less-transparent way than 4070 tititititi 16gb.

nVIDIA doesn't like when people understand that an OC 7900xtx has similar avg RT to a 4080 (which is good-enough in most situations either would be playable, largely now due to RT being done in more games through compute and not just nVIDIA's proprietary tech or rt/compute ratio) when their products' raster is worse, has less ram, AND are more expensive. They also have a more difficult time justifying DLSS vs FSR at 4k (because both look good), which both those products are aimed.

When people are informed, or have time to digest the information (or have someone else do it and/or explain it to them) by the consensus of the commonwealth, not just HU/DF, nVIDIA loses sales.

It truly is that. No need for a question: You in-fact already know the answer as posed by your question.

Gotta say, this is amusing. Usually nVIDIA's marketing is well-disguised; obtuse and confusing for those less technically-inclinded. This? This REEKS of desperation, and EVERYONE can see it.

Frankly, I expected more from nVIDIA's bullshit. Nobody needs a decoder ring to understand what they're trying to do here.

Maybe they're waiting to review/bundle it with codes for TSSKTJL.....a game many are surely just chomping at the bit to get a code (day of release) and praise to high-heavens. ;)

Dr. DroThe increased bandwidth also tends not to matter all that much, just like it didn't with the 3090 vs. the 6900 XT either. In pure raster the reference 4080 is at around 98% the performance of the XTX and factoring in RT it's around 115%, when compared to the Taichi White which is one of the higher end XTX aftermarket designs.

Lets use the most up to date review data, yes? :roll:



The 4080 Super will match the 7900XTX/be a few % quicker, and, the MSRP should be less than the 4080 non-S; time will tell.

XL-R8RLets use the most up to date review data, yes? :roll:



The 4080 Super will match the 7900XTX/be a few % quicker, and, the MSRP should be less than the 4080 non-S; time will tell.

I believe this is the chart you should have been referring to, otherwise, nothing changed. The 4080 has always been 2-5% below the 7900 XTX in raster.

Dr. DroI believe this is the chart you should have been referring to, otherwise, nothing changed. The 4080 has always been 2-5% below the 7900 XTX in raster.

Dr. DroI believe this is the chart you should have been referring to, otherwise, nothing changed. The 4080 has always been 2-5% below the 7900 XTX in raster.

:wtf::shadedshu:

Is this a more suitable chart for you?



I know you may want to lean to one side for graphics cards.. but lets keep the biased nature tucked away somewhere huh? :roll:

XL-R8R:wtf::shadedshu:

Is this a more suitable chart for you?



I know you may want to lean to one side for graphics cards.. but lets keep the biased nature tucked away somewhere huh? :roll:

I'm confused. You've been repeatedly showing exactly what I said, as far as performance figures go, anyway. I guess anything goes in order to gaslight and shift the goalposts in order to avoid the elephant in the room. They have similar raster performance, and the XTX loses to cards that are several tiers below in both RT and feature set. This is fact, not bias. It doesn't detract from your experience either, so go ahead and enjoy your card. It's a fair tradeoff, no? 5% more raster FPS since you AMD fans allegedly do not care about raytracing, tailored drivers, or any of the RTX ecosystem features, really. Actually, 4%, since 120 is 96% of 126.

But somehow the need to justify the purchase is omnipresent...