Thursday, February 22nd 2024

NVIDIA App Doesn't Need a Login, Unlike GeForce Experience

We found out that the new NVIDIA App doesn't need an NVIDIA Account login, and yet gives you nearly all of its functionality. NVIDIA today rolled out the GeForce 551.61 WHQL drivers, and with it, the new NVIDIA App, as we detailed in the driver's news report. NVIDIA App is the company's latest take on a Control Panel application that combines the functionality of the over 20-year-old NVIDIA Control Panel Win32 application, and the modern GeForce Experience app (GFE). The former focuses on settings related to the display head, with one or more settings for the GPU, but has no hardware monitoring or performance overlay features. GFE is more of a concentric outer layer focused on the games installed in your PC, to which you can figure out and apply optimal settings. The new NVIDIA App essentially combines the functionalities of the two, but it has an ace up its sleeve—you don't need an NVIDIA Account to use it.

One of the biggest drawbacks of GeForce Experience is that it mandates you to create an NVIDIA Account, and keeps you logged into this account to use its functionality. Not everyone wants an app that does this; and so some gamers would want to skip installation of GFE altogether during the GeForce driver installation. NVIDIA App takes a refreshingly different approach. It is currently a public beta, isn't part of the driver package, isn't found on Microsoft Store, but is being distributed as a standalone app with its own installer.
Upon installation and the first run, the app greets you with a selection between the two main driver trunks—GeForce Game Ready and GeForce Studio. Gamers should stick to the first option. The second screen asks whether you want NVIDIA App to automatically apply optimized settings for all the games installed in your system that it can detect. By default, this option is selected, but if you feel NVIDIA's optimal settings are a bit too conservative, you can simply uncheck this toggle and click on "next." The next screen asks you whether you want NVIDIA Performance Overlay enabled. This is an important step, as you get to enable the most important feature of the NVIDIA App—Performance Overlay. When enabled, the key combo "Alt+Z" is bound. At any time, including in the middle of a game, you press these to bring up a Sidebar overlay that gives you access to the most relevant NVIDIA features for capturing, screengrabbing, or streaming your gameplay; as well as a shortcut to NVIDIA's all important Statistics service.
The last screen is what won our confidence, and convinced us that NVIDIA App isn't GeForce Experience with a different name and a slightly different UI. This screen presents you with an incentive to log into your NVIDIA Account, but doesn't impose the login upon you. You have the ability to skip this, and go straight to the home screen of the NVIDIA App. We've been exploring this thing for the past half an hour, and we find that nearly all functionality of the NVIDIA App is available to us without the login. If you do want to log in, NVIDIA rewards you with a promotion under the GeForce Rewards tab—a double XP event for Call of Duty MW3. It's not much, but it's quite welcome, and it's not in-your-face. We plan to do a slightly longer article for the weekend, so stay tuned!

You can download the NVIDIA App from here.
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74 Comments on NVIDIA App Doesn't Need a Login, Unlike GeForce Experience

#26
AusWolf
b1k3rdudeThe current layout of the nV Cp is very efficent, I only have to move a few centimeters atm compared to the NvApp requiring several inches or a portion of the desktop.

And now I have to go and reinstall the the driver again after the f***ing app removed the control panel...
Everything crammed into the same menu and tiniest space available isn't exactly what I'd call "efficient". In fact, I find the "3D settings" menu of CP a convoluted mess. I'll sure give this new app a go on my HTPC.
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#27
b1k3rdude
nguyenCouldn't care less about OBS, GFE and now Nvidia App are much simpler to use
Shadowplay is simpler by design, and if all you want is to record or stream gameplay that its fine for that.
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#28
ThrashZone
nguyenCouldn't care less about OBS, GFE and now Nvidia App are much simpler to use
Hi,
Nothing tough about using OBS studio been using it for a while hotkeys work as any decent recording app/ pause.....

Gameplay is not something I'm interested in.
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#29
P4-630
No thanks, no beta testing here....
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#30
phints
While I try this out can you still install NVCP as a backup or if you don't like it?
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#31
mxthunder
ThrashZoneHi,
Old CP is fine only need it to do two things
Disable g-sync
Switch to best quality or performance if benchmarking.
Done.
Just curious why you disable g-sync?
If it does not have the granular features that NVCP had for each program, I wont be interested either.
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#32
ThrashZone
mxthunderJust curious why you disable g-sync?
If it does not have the granular features that NVCP had for each program, I wont be interested either.
Hi,
Just slows frame rates down.
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#33
tabascosauz
phintsWhile I try this out can you still install NVCP as a backup or if you don't like it?
NVCP is still there, doesn't get removed (for now). Some of the obscure stuff can still be found there, stuff like Gsync indicator. This one is just an extra application, like GFE
b1k3rdudeAnd now I have to go and reinstall the the driver again after the f***ing app removed the control panel...
sounds like skill issue lol

you know you can fetch nvcp from windows store?

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#34
Onasi
AusWolfEdit: I also don't get why we still have bullshit settings, like the performance setting, where you can select "power saving" or "adaptive" which are the exact same thing, while "prefer maximum performance" runs your card at 100% in every workload. Why would you need such a bonkers thing, really?
You mean “Optimal power” and “Adaptive”? They are not the same thing, technically. Optimal also doesn’t re-render unchanged frames if that’s an option, in addition to Adaptives clock and power variation. No, this doesn’t make much difference on desktop, but it was introduced for laptops.
ThrashZoneHi,
Just slows frame rates down.
That’s absolutely not what GSync or any other VRR technology does.
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#35
W1zzard
AusWolfThe Control Panel is Win32? I thought it was Win16! :eek:
It's not .NET, not UWP, not QT, which is why it loads in like a second
Chomiq@W1zzard - any plans to update NVCleanInstall to support this?
Not sure yet
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#36
AusWolf
W1zzardIt's not .NET, not UWP, not QT, which is why it loads in like a second
I was only joking, but thanks for the correct info anyway. .NET explains a lot. :)
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#37
Luke357
OnasiThat’s absolutely not what GSync or any other VRR technology does.
No point in trying to argue with him no matter what you say he will insist that G-Sync is bad.
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#38
b1k3rdude
tabascosauzsounds like skill issue lol
Well I was a few versions behind, so used NvCleanInstall to build the latest package, ran DDU, and reinstalled etc.
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#39
nikoya
finally NVidia is doing something about it.
Tried AMD Radeon 4 years ago, never thought once to come back to NVidia for this reason.
AMD Adrenalin has everything embedded into 1 software (games settings, recording, drivers update, streaming, OC tuning and overlay..)
+ no login
+ smooth and consistent UI
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#40
GodisanAtheist
My biggest issue with a lot of this control panel UI design nowadays is devs still acting like everyone is on a 640x480 screen with their vertical columns of options. 1080p is a VERY common resolution nowadays, please use all that horizontal space to display settings and options so I don't have to scroll through a bunch of stuff while having vast fields of unused space on the right hand side of my screen.

AMD's driver control was amazing back when it (re)launched back in the GCN days. Clean, simple, fast, well laid out, and integrated a bunch of 3rd party stuff (most importantly overclocking) into the driver app. Loved using it with my HD7950. Loved the built in OC tools so I didn't have to launch some bloated 3rd party "gamerz" app to OC my card (925 to 1150 core on that 7950, what a beast).

Went back to NVCP with my 980Ti and it felt like a regression with the lack of OC tools and stone age interface, but really I only had to use it a handful of times to make sure some 3D settings were sorted and then never look at it again, so no big deal.

Now I have a 6800XT and yeezus AMD has turned their once svelte control panel into a bloated hog. All sorts of streaming and app launching garbage on the landing page which I couldn't care less about. Takes a bunch of clicking and looking around to find the Adaptive Vsync/framerate limiter/OC tools. Since I don't use it often I have to sort of relearn it every time I go in.

If NV could just learn to use the screen real-estate and put all the screen/performance options on one tab, then all the streamer/Gen-Z gamer bullshit on another page it would already be a huge step up from what AMD's control panel has become.
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#41
P4-630
Luke357No point in trying to argue with him no matter what you say he will insist that G-Sync is bad.
Now when you want to run a 3D Mark test, it always says that you need to disable G-Sync though, so there might be something to it?
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#42
Onasi
P4-630Now when you want to run a 3D Mark test, it always says that you need to disable G-Sync though, so there might be something to it?
Yes and no. GSync does have an insanely small frametime cost. It is a processing step on the GPU to tell the monitor scaler/GSync chip what to set the refresh to at all times, after all. It is imperceptible and irrelevant for any gaming use case. When you run at sane frametimes the fractions of a millisecond penalty incurred is not going to be an issue. Ever. But yes, in 3D Mark, a synthetic benchmark which has a score based on a number of raw frames it can push, in some cases ridiculously high number, that penalty does introduce effectively a variable that should not be there for measuring raw performance.
But benchmarking software is not an actual game, so… I mean, I guess theoretically GSync being on would matter if you have a modern system and try pushing frames as high as you can uncapped in something like OG Quake 3 or UT. But then the question would be whether or not you care about 1000 vs 1200 FPS.
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#43
chrcoluk
UI is so big and padded looks like needs big chunk of screen lol.

No thanks. Plus god knows how many background processes and bloat to power it.
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#44
lexluthermiester
Chomiqget rid of the outdated Control Panel.
Oh hell no! They get rid of the control panel, I'll ditch NVidia.
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#45
Dr. Dro
b1k3rdudeI dont have an AMD card to test, but from what I have seen in review videos and screenshots of the AMD Adrenaline app, it has way too much space between objects/options in the gui. It also appears to need to want to connect to the internet for "SOME" of its functions. And lastly it appears to be doing in-app advertising for games.

Any GPU control panel should NEVER need to access the internet, so right now this new Control panel replacement is a joke.
Because the AMD control panel has advertisements, a whole "upgrade advisor" which is basically a link to their latest and greatest hardware on amazon, and at a point they even had a whole web browser embedded onto it.
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#46
Noyand
b1k3rdudeThe current layout of the nV Cp is very efficent, I only have to move a few centimeters atm compared to the NvApp requiring several inches or a portion of the desktop.
I actually find the old NVCP too compact for my screen, while not even using that compactness for good. Why is the global setting tab so small ? Why do I have to scroll so much, when they could just use the space available to show more stuff ? That panel was designed for small screens, and was never updated for the 27" 32"/1440p/4k panel that people use today. It's a bit like going on a website that wasn't updated since the early 2000, and you wonder why is everything so small and so densely packed.
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#47
chrcoluk
I didnt get a 27inch 1440p monitor so dev's could increase padding to fill the screen, I enjoy the fact with apps that dont have huge padding that I can now fit more visible windows on at once, thats the advantage of not padding out the UI, why does the app need to fill your screen?
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#48
ThrashZone
P4-630Now when you want to run a 3D Mark test, it always says that you need to disable G-Sync though, so there might be something to it?
Hi,
Thank you for reading my entire response which I also mentioned benchmarking lol
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#49
Noyand
chrcolukI didnt get a 27inch 1440p monitor so dev's could increase padding to fill the screen, I enjoy the fact with apps that dont have huge padding that I can now fit more visible windows on at once, thats the advantage of not padding out the UI, why does the app need to fill your screen?
I didn't say that it needs to fill the whole screen, a good modern UI won't do that, there's just a good balance to have. A good modern app is also responsive, the content will move around depending on how you resize it. Because there's no "one size fits all" The old NVCP doesn't do that, the content just gets cut off, and you need to scroll laterally to see everything, or it just won't use all the new space available for it. It's not being space efficient once you are not constrained.

It's not like UI designers are dumb monkeys, when the content is predictable, and not that dense, you can make it bigger, add more air for readability. Microsoft didn't use the same padding in visual code and the setting panel because they know that the density of information can become heavy. The same can be said for the services list of the new task manager. High density = small padding.

I feel like there's a big difference in thinking between a designer and an engineer :D. Lurking on tech website seems to indicate that engineers are more aligned with the east asian way of thinking about data organization... (just check the Japanese version of the Square-Enix store) when It's being taught (Miller's Law) that the average westerner can feel overwhelmed by data overload: they will deal with it if they must, but will avoid interacting with it otherwise. Meanwhile, most writing systems in East Asia are already so dense in information that they just got used to deal with a lot of data at once. Japanese companies don't dare to apply their local design principle to the world because of that.
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#50
ThrashZone
Dr. DroBecause the AMD control panel has advertisements, a whole "upgrade advisor" which is basically a link to their latest and greatest hardware on amazon, and at a point they even had a whole web browser embedded onto it.
Hi,
Yeah my amd laptop has that type of stuff but a 4060
At least i can turn off the browser bit which feeds the adds.

It's the MS store apps way right hehe
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