Wednesday, February 28th 2024

NVIDIA Accused of Acting as "GPU Cartel" and Controlling Supply

World's most important fuel of the AI frenzy, NVIDIA, is facing accusations of acting as a "GPU cartel" and controlling supply in the data center market, according to statements made by executives at rival chipmaker Groq and former AMD executive Scott Herkelman. In an interview with the Wall Street Journal, Groq CEO Jonathan Ross alleged that some of NVIDIA's data center customers are afraid to even meet with rival AI chipmakers out of fear that NVIDIA will retaliate by delaying shipments of already ordered GPUs. This is despite NVIDIA's claims that it is trying to allocate supply fairly during global shortages. "This happens more than you expect, NVIDIA does this with DC customers, OEMs, AIBs, press, and resellers. They learned from GPP to not put it into writing. They just don't ship after a customer has ordered. They are the GPU cartel, and they control all supply," said former Senior Vice President and General Manager at AMD Radeon, Scott Herkelman, in response to the accusations on X/Twitter.
The comments reference the NVIDIA GeForce Partner Program (GPP) from 2018, which was abandoned following backlash over its exclusivity requirements. Herkelman suggests NVIDIA has continued similar practices but avoided written agreements. The Wall Street Journal report also hinted that major tech companies like Microsoft, Google, and Amazon are developing their own AI accelerators but downplaying them as NVIDIA competitors. This further points to an environment where NVIDIA is seen as controlling access to key technology for AI development. NVIDIA currently powers around 80% of AI development worldwide, giving it incredible influence over strategic technology. The accusations from Groq and Herkelman suggest the company is willing to leverage that market position aggressively to protect its dominance. NVIDIA has not officially responded to the latest accusations. But the reports have fueled speculation about anticompetitive practices just as regulatory scrutiny grows over the market power of tech giants. NVIDIA will likely face pressure to transparently address whether its supply allocation favors some customers over others based on relationships with rival chipmakers.
Sources: The Wall Street Journal, Scott Herkelman (X/Twitter), via VideoCardz
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130 Comments on NVIDIA Accused of Acting as "GPU Cartel" and Controlling Supply

#26
wNotyarD
ExcuseMeWtfAnd "we unlaunched RTX 4080 12GB because name would be confusing"
Proceeds to launch the RTX 3050 6GB to much less fanfare.
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#27
Dimitriman
"They just don't ship after a customer has ordered. They are the GPU cartel, and they control all supply,"

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#28
Denver
RecusNo name company cries nobody buying their stuff. They even don't make GPUs they are making Language Processing Unit (LPU).

And Scott Herkelman is pathological liar.





I pay ROG taxes if it has AMD logo.



www.pcworld.com/article/1499957/amd-is-undershipping-chips-to-keep-cpu-gpu-prices-elevated.html
www.techpowerup.com/319371/amd-tightly-regulating-prices-of-successful-radeon-rx-6750-gre-in-china
Of course, only Nvidia tells the truth. GPP was an illusion. Have you kissed Jensen's feet today?

I'm going to hope that the regulators' hand doesn't reach our innocent and holy Jensen.
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#29
Klemc
And AMD (ATI), they are like anti-cartel team ?
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#30
Kohl Baas
DenverOf course, only Nvidia tells the truth. GPP was an illusion. Have you kissed Jensen's feet today?

I'm going to hope that the regulators' hand doesn't reach our innocent and holy Jensen.
#churchofjensen ? :laugh:
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#31
bug
KlemcAnd AMD (ATI), they are like anti-cartel team ?
Oh, AMD would turn into another Salvation Army if it weren't for the evil Nvidia (and Intel). Didn't you get the memo?
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#32
lexluthermiester
RecusAnd Scott Herkelman is pathological liar.
That's a bit harsh. It's also a bit libelous.
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#33
nguyen
lexluthermiesterThat's a bit harsh. It's also a bit libelous.
You mean Scott walked on stage and told everyone that RDNA3 would be 50-70% faster than RDNA2 didn't make him a liar?
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#34
Chomiq
nguyenYou mean Scott walked on stage and told everyone that RDNA3 would be 50-70% faster than RDNA2 didn't make him a liar?
He forgot to throw in air quotes.
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#35
Denver
nguyenYou mean Scott walked on stage and told everyone that RDNA3 would be 50-70% faster than RDNA2 didn't make him a liar?

The XTX can be almost 2x faster than the 6900XT depending on the case. N31 is a monstrous GPU, it would look much better if AMD had the money left over to stick engineers in all the studios like Nvidia does.
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#36
lexluthermiester
nguyenYou mean Scott walked on stage and told everyone that RDNA3 would be 50-70% faster than RDNA2 didn't make him a liar?
Seriously? That's the argument you're going to present? News flash for you there, RDNA3 IS 50% to 70% faster than RDNA2 in many benchmarks, some of them more. So how does that make him a lair?
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#37
Daven
Denver
The XTX can be almost 2x faster than the 6900XT depending on the case. N31 is a monstrous GPU, it would look much better if AMD had the money left over to stick engineers in all the studios like Nvidia does.
Good example showing the 7900xt beating the 6900xt by over 50% as stated by AMD. This is why its hard to give blanket performance metrics. Increases in performance are very game, platform and settings dependent.
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#38
nguyen
lexluthermiesterSeriously? That's the argument you're going to present? News flash for you there, RDNA3 IS 50% to 70% faster than RDNA2 in many benchmarks, some of them more. So how does that make him a lair?
LOL launch data showed 7900XTX a measly 35% faster than RDNA2 6950XT



Definitely "not a liar" :roll:
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#39
Kipicog
AMDs MCM approach for GPUs failed pretty hard...

Typically MCM will deliver much better efficiency. We saw that with Zen. However RDNA3 is completely messed up in this regard.

I wonder if AMD will go back to a monolithic design for Radeon 8000 series.

Watt usage (games, video and multi monitor usage), drivers and support (early access titles and lesser popular titles just run bad on AMD, most emulators included), features like Reflex, DLSS, DLAA, DLDSR including ray tracing and path tracing, everything is just inferior on the AMD side. Hence the lower price and still its not selling well. AMD is in full panic mode when it comes to software in general.

AMD needs to focus on low to mid-end or Intel will eat them alive with Arc in a few years. When Intel starts blasting out Arc on their own nodes and AMD still relies 100% on TSMC which will milk them dry (because of node competition). Apple and Nvidia have priority at TSMC, even Intel has more money to go 3nm before AMD is able to use it. If AMD will use TSMC 4/5n instead of 3n, money is the reason.

Starting to miss ATi, at least they focused solely on GPUs. AMD don't and never will.'

Atleast AMD fixed the massive power spike issues present in 6800 and 6900 series with 7000 series tho.

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#40
lexluthermiester
nguyenLOL launch data showed 7900XTX a measly 35% faster than RDNA2 6950XT


Definitely "not a liar" :roll:
You're citing Hardware Unboxed? Really?!? That alone is embarrassing for you.. Steve Walton is incompetent and a known sellout. Nothing he presents can be trusted. LTT is a better source of benchmark data...
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#41
nguyen
lexluthermiesterYou're citing Hardware Unboxed? Really?!? That alone is embarrassing for you.. Steve Walton is incompetent and a known sellout. Nothing he presents can be trusted. LTT is a better source of benchmark data...
Are you kidding me :eek:? Linus straight up told everyone AMD paid him to promote AMD in the WAN show, he was pretty open about that.
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#42
lexluthermiester
nguyenAre you kidding me :eek:?
No, not at all.
nguyenLinus straight up told everyone AMD paid him to promote AMD, he was pretty open about that.
Thus my point. Perhaps that was too subtle for you..
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#43
Shtb
It doesn't matter. It works because it just works! /s
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#44
nguyen
lexluthermiesterNo, not at all.

Thus my point. Perhaps that was too subtle for you..
Well I guess Scott is just as "trustworthy" as Linus then :roll:
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#45
Daven
nguyenLOL launch data showed 7900XTX a measly 35% faster than RDNA2 6950XT



Definitely "not a liar" :roll:
Which GPUs were being compared in the AMD slide? The 7900XTX is almost 50% faster than the 6900XT in the 14 game test.

Edit: Nvm I see its the 6950XT.
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#46
Denver
nguyenLOL launch data showed 7900XTX a measly 35% faster than RDNA2 6950XT


Definitely "not a liar" :roll:
I can guarantee that you will get the widest possible margins of difference between two systems using the same games. So TPU is fake and other sites are too?

No, I do not believe. They're just different methodologies.

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#47
lexluthermiester
nguyenWell I guess Scott is just as "trustworthy" as Linus then :roll:
No more or less than Steve Walton or even you for that matter.
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#48
Noyand
watzupkenThe behavior is not unexpected. Take the below article as example. While Asrock did not explicitly mention that it is difficult to work with Nvidia such that they can also produce Nvidia GPUs, but it is implied. In another example, for companies producing both AMD and Nvidia cards, notice that AMD cards are never given the high end treatment, i.e. Asus TUF is the top tier AMD GPU model. The same can be observed with MSI and Gigabyte. The likes of the big 3 here are established brands which I believe Nvidia have to make an exception to allow them to also produce competitors' products but to make them less desirable.
"never" mostly apply to this generation (except MSI, but they also never do a high end unify ITX AMD board ). Asus and Gigabyte at least tried for the last gen. For me one of two things happened :

1/once AMD got out of their drought at the high-end, Nvidia did a move in the shadows.
2/ People were just less willing to "overpay" on the AMD sides when sapphire exist and offer similar cooler performance for cheaper. The was strix RX 6800 was almost as expensive as the RX 6800Xt nitro +!!!! (But that's assuming that most AMD customers are looking for value first and foremost above all else)
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#49
Chomiq
nguyenLOL launch data showed 7900XTX a measly 35% faster than RDNA2 6950XT



Definitely "not a liar" :roll:


Lie - to say or write something that you know is not true
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#50
Kipicog
Chomiq

Please stop the cherrypicking. We are not stupid. You even picked the Basic preset in MW2 because 4090 wins in the ultra preset and very few in here cares about that console port anyway. Not a single person that plays the game competitively and does well, uses 4K/UHD either.

Cyberpunk in pure raster, haha. Sigh. Enable DLSS/DLAA and/or Frame Gen and the Nvidia cards would leave the AMD GPU in the dust. Anyone who thinks Cyberpunk 2077 should be played on an AMD card has absolutely no clue. It's like an Nvidia tech showcase and it runs on all cylinders here. Every Nvidia feature is perfectly implemented. FSR is horrible in this game. XeSS beats FSR with ease.

Watch Dogs Legion, you are grasping at straws I see. Did 4090 win big in all the other games since you left them out?
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