Monday, July 22nd 2024

Several AMD RDNA 4 Architecture Ray Tracing Hardware Features Leaked

We've known since May that AMD is giving its next generation RDNA 4 graphics architecture a significant upgrade with ray tracing performance, and had some clue since then, that the company is working on putting more of the ray tracing workflow through dedicated, fixed function hardware, unburdening the shader engine further. Kepler_L2, a reliable source with GPU leaks sheds light on some of the many new hardware features AMD is introducing with RDNA 4 to better accelerate ray tracing, which should give its GPUs a reduced performance cost of having ray tracing enabled. Kepler_L2 believes that these hardware features should also make it to the GPU of the upcoming Sony PlayStation 5 Pro.

To begin with, the RDNA 4 ray accelerator introduces the new Double Ray Tracing Intersect Engine, which should at least mean a 100% ray intersection performance increase over RDNA 3, which in turn offered a 50% increase over that of RDNA 2. The new RT instance node transform instruction should improve the way the ray accelerators handle geometry. Some of the other features we have trouble describing include a 64-byte RT node, ray tracing tri-pair optimization, Change flags encoded in barycentrics to simplify detection of procedural nodes; improved BVH footprint (possibly memory footprint): and RT support for oriented bounding box and instance node intersection. AMD is expected to debut Radeon RX series gaming GPUs based on RDNA 4 in early 2025.
Sources: Kepler_L2 (Twitter), VideoCardz
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247 Comments on Several AMD RDNA 4 Architecture Ray Tracing Hardware Features Leaked

#126
JustBenching
Vya DomusIt is side by side what are you talking about, the image I uploaded is almost 1080p but it doesn't matter because you're clutching at straws,. If the use of RT is so blatantly obvious it should be easy to tell which is which, even if I am not showing you a zoomed in quadrillion mega pixel image.
Do you understand what side by side is? In your picture each side shows a different image, lol.

So you are not going to answer my question about which one is which. K, figured.
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#127
ARF
fevgatosDo you understand what side by side is? In your picture each side shows a different image, lol.

So you are not going to answer my question about which one is which. K, figured.
RT is a gimmick - you remove the ordinary lighting, and then put again some oversaturated, overemphasized mess and shout, but this is RT now.
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#128
Vya Domus
fevgatosSo you are not going to answer my question about which one is which. K, figured.
I asked first, that's not how it works, go ahead and I'll give my answer after you do.

Anyway I think I made my point anyway, your refusal to answer is telling. It's 50/50 chances, you could have just gave it a try, oh well.
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#129
JustBenching
Vya DomusI asked first, that's not how it works, go ahead and I'll give my answer after you do.

Anyway I think I made my point anyway, your refusal to answer is telling. It's 50/50 chances, you could have just gave it a try, oh well.
Then post a proper side by side dude, lol.


Anyways, the one on the left (the one that looks at the road) doesn't have PT, but it doesn't look like the one on the right does either, so I think you are just trolling.

Now your turn
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#130
Makaveli
fevgatosYour link says ATI had 63%. But does it matter? It was way higher than it is today when they were making competitive cards.
you were right about that I was looking at the mobile numbers there. Finding it difficult to find official market share numbers from like 2000-2005 just before merger.

But I also think even with competitive offerings today you won't see the market being like how it was back then.
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#131
Vya Domus
fevgatosAnyways, the one on the left (the one that looks at the road) doesn't have PT, but it doesn't look like the one on the right does either, so I think you are just trolling.
Bro can you answer a question properly, just say right or left, I didn't ask which is using path tracing, I simply asked which has RT, I made the question as simple as humanly possible.
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#132
JustBenching
Makaveliyou were right about that I was looking at the mobile numbers there. Finding it difficult to find official market share numbers from like 2000-2005 just before merger.

But I also think even with competitive offerings today you won't see the market being like how it was back then.
Why not? I remember a time when everyone and their mother were buying ATI cards cause nvidias was garbage.
Vya DomusBro can you answer a question properly, just say right or left, I didn't ask which is using path tracing, I simply asked which has RT.
Ok so neither uses PT, see, it's obvious that it makes a difference. :)

Is it at least RT max or are you using some low crap and expect me to figure out the difference? Cause both look really flat, I can't tell which is which.
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#133
ARF
Vya DomusIt used to be the graphics improvements were very noticeable, this isn't the case anymore, you need to squint your eyes to tell which graphical options look better and even then you'd have no clue which actually is objectively "better".

Here's a fun test : Can you tell which side is using RT ?

Vya DomusI asked first, that's not how it works, go ahead and I'll give my answer after you do.

Anyway I think I made my point anyway, your refusal to answer is telling. It's 50/50 chances, you could have just gave it a try, oh well.
Vya DomusBro can you answer a question properly, just say right or left, I didn't ask which is using path tracing, I simply asked which has RT I made the question as simple as humanly possible.
I will bet - the right one has RT, the left side doesn't.
But it is extremely difficult to tell a difference.
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#134
JustBenching
ARFBut it is extremely difficult to tell a difference.
Because most likely neither has RT
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#135
Makaveli
fevgatosWhy not? I remember a time when everyone and their mother were buying ATI cards cause nvidias was garbage.
Marketing!

Brand loyalty!
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#136
Vya Domus
fevgatosIs it at least RT max or are you using some low crap and expect me to figure out the difference
It's really funny how you just refuse to answer, it's fine, just say so.

I am just thinking it's rather curios how someone who is such a staunch advocate of RT can't or wont, out of fear of being wrong, tell the difference.
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#137
JustBenching
MakaveliMarketing!

Brand loyalty!
Who the heck has brand loyalty to nvidia out of all companies, lol.
Vya DomusIt's really funny how you just refuse to answer, it's fine, just say so.

I am just thinking it's rather curios how someone who is such a staunch advocate of RT can't or wont, out of fear of being wrong, tell the difference.
If I can't tell the difference how do you expect me to tell the difference? What kind of argument is that? If I had to bet money I'd say neither has RT or it's put to low and for sure neither has PT. How much more specific do you want my answer to be? I think you posted 2 images with no RT and then blame me for...not being able to tell which one has RT, lol.
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#138
trparky
You know, there are some of us out there that couldn't give a damn about ray tracing.
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#139
ARF
fevgatosBecause most likely neither has RT
Well, the right side looks somehow more washed out - must be it.



@Vya Domus What are the RT settings in your test?
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#140
Vya Domus
fevgatosIf I can't tell the difference
You could have just said from the beginning you can't tell the difference, anyway it doesn't matter because I made my point, if these things were so obvious you'd be able to tell from one glance which is which.
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#141
Makaveli
fevgatosWho the heck has brand loyalty to nvidia out of all companies, lol.
lmao there are forums of people that will fight you they do exist
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#142
Neo_Morpheus
Vya DomusIt used to be the graphics improvements were very noticeable, this isn't the case anymore, you need to squint your eyes to tell which graphical options look better and even then you'd have no clue which actually is objectively "better".

Here's a fun test : Can you tell which side is using RT ?

Cmon man, throw a puddle or a glass surface and then stop moving the character so our beloved US$2K+ gpu can show the glory that is RT! :)
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#143
JustBenching
Vya DomusYou could have just said from the beginning you can't tell the difference, anyway it doesn't matter because I made my point, if these things were so obvious you'd be able to tell from one glance which is which.
So I was right? You posted 2 images with no RT and then acted all high and mighty about the fact that I couldn't tell which one has RT? When neither do? LOL :roll:
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#144
Neo_Morpheus
Makavelilmao there are forums of people that will fight you they do exist
Lol, I know 3 of them!
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#145
JustBenching
Makavelilmao there are forums of people that will fight you they do exist
Most people on the internet (you know,the vocal ones) are fans of amd. You can tell on forums, reddit etc they are the vast majority.
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#146
64K
It is a massive mistake to assume that every game that uses RT uses it well. A tool is only as good as the worker using it. RT isn't a box a Developer can just check and magic happens.
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#147
Vya Domus
fevgatosSo I was right
You refused to answer like 3-4 times, I don't know in what world you'd count that as "right".
fevgatosYou posted 2 images with no RT
Even if that is the case you hilariously couldn't tell, you only came with this after you wouldn't answer which is which.
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#148
JustBenching
Vya DomusYou refused to answer like 3-4 times, I don't know in what world you'd count that as "right".


Even if that is the case you hilariously couldn't tell, you only came with this after you wouldn't answer which is which.
OF COURSE I couldn't tell which one has RT if neither do, lol. Are you serious? How the heck do you expect me to notice the difference RT makes when it's not even on.
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#149
gffermari
fevgatosMost people on the internet (you know,the vocal ones) are fans of amd. You can tell on forums, reddit etc they are the vast majority.
Most people on the internet are fans of the underdog.

Also most people do not have a clue about what RT is and what it does. It's obvious that they expect miracles like pixel shader 0 to 1.
Anyway. We'll be here when the next big thing comes, physics, material weight and behavior probably, and the same ones will be saying the same things. That it's useless like RT.
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#150
tommo1982
Vya DomusIt used to be the graphics improvements were very noticeable, this isn't the case anymore, you need to squint your eyes to tell which graphical options look better and even then you'd have no clue which actually is objectively "better".

Here's a fun test : Can you tell which side is using RT ?

I thought I'll notice it easilly. I don't see any difference, though. It was similar with many RT test. The difference was only in shadows and reflections. Not that much of an 'amazing tech', I'd say.
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