Tuesday, July 23rd 2024

Intel Statement on 13th and 14th Gen Core Instability: Faulty Microcode Causes Excessive Voltages, Fix Out Soon

Long-term reliability issues continue to plague Intel's 13th Gen and 14th Gen Core desktop processors based on the "Raptor Lake" microarchitecture, with users complaining that their processors have become unstable with heavy processing workloads, such as games. This includes the chips that have minor levels of performance tuning or overclocking. Intel had earlier isolated many of these stability issues to faulty CPU core frequency boosting algorithms, which it addressed through updates to the processor microcode that it got motherboard- and prebuilt manufacturers to distribute as UEFI firmware updates. The company has now come out with new findings of what could be causing these issues.

In a statement Intel posted on its website on Monday (22/07), the company said that it has been investigating the processors returned to it by users under warranty claims (which it has been replacing under the terms of its warranty). It has found that faulty processor microcode has been causing the processors to operate under excessive core voltages, leading to their structural degradation over time. "We have determined that elevated operating voltage is causing instability issues in some 13th/14th Gen desktop processors. Our analysis of returned processors confirms that the elevated operating voltage is stemming from a microcode algorithm resulting in incorrect voltage requests to the processor."
Modern processor power management runs on an intricate clockwork of collaboration between software, firmware, and hardware, with the software constantly telling the hardware what levels of performance it wants, and the hardware managing its power- and thermal budgets by rapidly altering the power and clock speeds of the various components, such as CPU cores, caches, fabric, and other on-die components. A faulty collaboration between any of the three key components could break this clockwork, as has happened in this case.

Intel is releasing yet another microcode update to its 13th- and 14th Gen Core processors, which will address not just the faulty boosting algorithm issue the company unearthed in June, but also the faulty voltage management the company discovered now. This new microcode should be released some time around mid-August to partners (motherboard manufacturers and PC OEMs), who will then need to validate it on their machines, before passing it along to end-users as UEFI firmware updates.
Intel is delivering a microcode patch which addresses the root cause of exposure to elevated voltages. We are continuing validation to ensure that scenarios of instability reported to Intel regarding its Core 13th/14th Gen desktop processors are addressed. Intel is currently targeting mid-August for patch release to partners following full validation. Intel is committed to making this right with our customers, and we continue asking any customers currently experiencing instability issues on their Intel Core 13th/14th Gen desktop processors reach out to Intel Customer Support for further assistance, the company stated.
It's important to note here, that the microcode update won't fix the issues on processors already experiencing instability, but prevent it on chips that aren't. The instability is caused by irreversible physical degradation of the chip. These chips will, of course, be covered under warranty.

Meanwhile, an interesting issue has come to light, which that some of Intel's processors built on the Intel 7 node are experiencing chemical oxidation of the die as they age. Intel responded to this, stating that it had discovered the oxidation manufacturing issues in 2023, and addressed it. The company also stated that die oxidation is not related to the stability issues it is embattled with.
We can confirm that the via Oxidation manufacturing issue affected some early Intel Core 13th Gen desktop processors. However, the issue was root caused and addressed with manufacturing improvements and screens in 2023. We have also looked at it from the instability reports on Intel Core 13th Gen desktop processors and the analysis to-date has determined that only a small number of instability reports can be connected to the manufacturing issue, the company stated.
If you feel your chip might be affected, you can file for an RMA.
Sources: Intel Community, Intel (Reddit)
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387 Comments on Intel Statement on 13th and 14th Gen Core Instability: Faulty Microcode Causes Excessive Voltages, Fix Out Soon

#376
Caring1
LewzkeMy friend has no issues with 13700KF, but he runs DDR5-5600 "only", the maximum official RAM speeds. I think I will leave his BIOS as it is until this issue is fully solved. (discovered)
One of Intel's recommendations was to set the memory at 5600, I suppose that would place less strain on the IMC.
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#378
Ayhamb99


This is going to be entertaining to watch
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#379
neatfeatguy
Ah, the good old class action lawsuit. In the end, if Intel has to pay out it won't be anywhere near what they reaped in profit from these CPUs and the money people will get from it won't be anywhere near the price they paid for a CPU. The lawyers will walk away with upwards of 30% of all the money from it and the remining 70% will be distributed out amongst thousands, if not millions of every day consumers. So...enjoy that iced mocha or energy drink money you'll get back. Intel will just laugh all the way to the bank. On the other hand not only has this current situation put them into a bad light if the class action suit is successful it'll just be another blemish that could push more consumers away from them. Looks like Intel is on a slippery slope here and they may be in for a wild ride to the bottom of the hill soon.

All this hoopla with Intel and these CPU issues has me thinking about how I ran my Phenom II x4 940 on 1.5125V for 3-4 years to keep the 3.6GHz OC I had on it. Never had an issue. Back when things were built to last!
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#380
Lewzke
Moral of the story: don't rush the testing phase EVER.
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#381
mkppo
neatfeatguyBack when things were built to last!
When it comes to CPU's they're all still built to last except 13/14 gen where Intel somehow dropped the ball really hard.

Steve doing deep investigation into this isn't going to look good for intel..they should've seen this coming. I've said it before - Wendell and Steve investigating issues together is bad news. I know HUB did some investigation on a surface level and had pretty bad things to say. This will be worse.
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#382
DeathtoGnomes
fevgatosRealistically it won't. Worst case scenario it drops what, 100mhz on the pcores? Let's say 200? Heck let's make it 300 just for the sake. That's a 3% drop on the mt performance of the chip. It's so irrelevant you won't even notice.
No the owner may not notice, but the scores that count in reviews can change the landscape where intel stacks up.
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#383
trparky
neatfeatguyLooks like Intel is on a slippery slope here and they may be in for a wild ride to the bottom of the hill soon.
The mightier they are, the harder they fall.

Suffice it to say, AMD is going to enjoy a very big uptick in sales and reputation if they can pull off the Ryzen 9000-series launch with relatively no issues.
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#386
Evrsr
b1k3rdude"It has found that faulty processor microcode has been causing the processors to operate under excessive core voltages, leading to their structural degradation over time."
So if the excessive core voltage degraded the CPU, then HTF is a microcode update going to fix those degraded chips like..?
  • Eh, then you didnt get what you paid for. At that point I would expect a voucher or cash in addition to the replacement CPU.
  • The code has to be written to the CPU, or at least the bios. As having it in the OS is not a fix.
Sure. If it was me, I'd limit voltages even though turbo clocks could lower a bit. (there are places they say "up to 6GHz", not guaranteed)
For users that really cared, just accept the RMA. Others that would mostly use multithreaded loads would not really care.

The performance drop would not be significant for MT users to care enough to do RMAs.
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#387
b1k3rdude
Well its old news now, the only option for chips that have degraded is warranty replacement. But as usual 'scroogtel' is fighting tooth & nail not to honour the warranty...
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