Thursday, August 1st 2024

Law Firm Investigates Class Action Suit Over Intel's Unstable 13th/14th Gen CPUs

Law firm, Abington Cole + Ellery, is investigating a potential class action lawsuit against Intel due to instability issues in their 13th and 14th Gen CPUs. Intel has acknowledged the problem, stating that elevated operating voltage caused by a microcode algorithm is resulting in instability. While Intel promises a patch, it won't prevent damage already done to affected chips.

Intel has offered to replace damaged CPUs, which could potentially undermine the basis for a lawsuit if the company is honoring this commitment effectively. However, user experiences with Intel's RMA service vary widely, with some reporting smooth replacements and others facing delays or complications. Intel claims to support all affected customers, including those with tray processors, but advises contacting system vendors for pre-built systems.
Abington Cole + Ellery has launched a webpage highlighting the potential class action lawsuit against the computer chip giant. They are requesting affected individuals to submit their information through an online form here.

The effectiveness and value of such class actions for consumers remain questionable. A previous case against Nvidia over GTX 970 VRAM issues resulted in a mere $30 settlement per card for US residents. Meanwhile, users with affected Intel CPUs are advised to lower voltage and clock speeds until the microcode update is released, a less-than-ideal solution for high-end processors.
Source: PC Gamer
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61 Comments on Law Firm Investigates Class Action Suit Over Intel's Unstable 13th/14th Gen CPUs

#51
mkppo
fevgatosMost retailers will not offer refunds in the EU either, because they aren't supposed to. Not even by law. Only unless the product is RMAed twice are you allowed to ask for one. This has nothing to do with Intel, it's just what the law is.

Of course there will be failed RMAs just as there are with every single company. Unless intel rejects RMAs (RMAs that should have gone through, obviously) at a higher rate than other companies I don't see what the point of spamming "intel rejects rmas "on every thread on every forum is. Cause i've read that comment, I don't even know how many times. More than 3 just today just in this forum.


A product failing after the warranty expires is a product that lasted as much as it should. Unless we mean something different by "should", im not sure what your point is. If a product SHOULD last longer than it's warranty then shouldn't it also be covered by a lengthier warranty? For example there are PSU manafacturers that have 10 year warranties. So sure, I expect one such PSU should last for 10 years.

They extended the warranty and a patch is on the way for this month. I don't know why you feel this is next to nothing.
You fail to understand the basic issue: what you think intel should be doing is different from what most others think they should be doing.

This is the last time I will say it regardless of your response because either you don't get it or are just skirting around the bushes. A pre-built system doesn't have the three year warranty with most having one year in NA. These customers are screwed and Intel hasn't done anything to rectify that. This is wrong. Because the CPU hasn't lasted as long as it should. And the two year extension does nothing for the majority of their customers.
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#52
Hecate91
fevgatosOf course there will be failed RMAs just as there are with every single company. Unless intel rejects RMAs (RMAs that should have gone through, obviously) at a higher rate than other companies I don't see what the point of spamming "intel rejects rmas "on every thread on every forum is. Cause i've read that comment, I don't even know how many times. More than 3 just today just in this forum.
The fact is Intel have been refusing RMAs and no it doesn't need to be higher than other companies to be a valid point, Intel shouldn't be refusing RMAs or be making it difficult for customers to have a successful RMA, when Intel claims a cpu is fake or threatens to confiscate a cpu that is refusing an RMA, its already enough for most people to disassemble their system to remove the CPU then possibly be without a pc for a week.
fevgatosA product failing after the warranty expires is a product that lasted as much as it should. Unless we mean something different by "should", im not sure what your point is. If a product SHOULD last longer than it's warranty then shouldn't it also be covered by a lengthier warranty? For example there are PSU manafacturers that have 10 year warranties. So sure, I expect one such PSU should last for 10 years.

They extended the warranty and a patch is on the way for this month. I don't know why you feel this is next to nothing.
So an Intel cpu only lasting for 3 years is as long as a cpu should last? Are you serious?
The only reason Intel extended the warranty is because they had to after the media started to report on 13th and 14th gen degradation and failures, the warranty extension is nice sounding PR while who knows if Intel will even honor their warranty, when Intel should have offered a full recall on x700 and x900 cpu's with a tool to test if the cpu has been degraded.
A warranty extension is nothing for most people who have an OEM system or bought a workstation or gaming pc from an SI.
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#53
fevgatos
Hecate91The fact is Intel have been refusing RMAs and no it doesn't need to be higher than other companies to be a valid point, Intel shouldn't be refusing RMAs or be making it difficult for customers to have a successful RMA, when Intel claims a cpu is fake or threatens to confiscate a cpu that is making it difficult, its already enough for most people to disassemble their system to remove the CPU then possibly be without a pc for a week.
Yes, intel is refusing rmas left right and center. Sorry, I can't reason against hatred. No amount of facts will convince you otherwise, so let's go with that, intel is refusing rmas. Which Intel chip do you happen to have?
Hecate91So an Intel cpu only lasting for 3 years is as long as a cpu should last? Are you serious?
The only reason Intel extended the warranty is because they had to after the media started to report on 13th and 14th gen degradation and failures, the warranty extension is nice sounding PR while who knows if Intel will even honor their warranty, when Intel should have offered a full recall on x700 and x900 cpu's with a tool to test if the cpu has been degraded.
A warranty extension is nothing for most people who have an OEM system or bought a workstation or gaming pc from an SI.
That's just your claim based on nothing but your feelings. I think the only reason Intel extended the warranty is because they are moral upstanding citizens and they really love and care about their customers. Until either one of us has actual evidence of our respective claims both of our claims are just a joke.

Don't worry, Intel already announced that an extension is on the works for tray and oems as well. Not that that will appease you OF COURSE, youll find some other reason to hate on intel, but hey, at least they are trying.
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#54
mahirzukic2
BwazeIt's very hard to prove that there is an issue over whole product release at all with certainty. Sure, Intel has lots if data, OEM partners have lots if data, but tech journalists, users? We have anecdotal data. People are reporting issues in forums? Every product has issues! When is too much?

Intel might target just that uncertainty. After the microcode fix there will be a long period when all issues will be questioned - was the damage done before microcode fix, and therefore irrelevant? Is it just normal CPU abuse due to overclocking? And after a couple of months it will be irrelevant, all the marketing will focus on upcoming product, best ever in all areas, even in reliability!
There is this thing in law called DISCOVERY. It is a process in which you get to request the data and knowledge which a company (in this case Intel) or its employees knew which you can use yourself in court. If the company (in this case Intel) doesn't comply, the lawyers request a subpoena and the court orders the company (in this case Intel) to hand over the (incriminating) data.
So "Intel targeting that uncertainty", give me a break. If there is even a sliver of doubt about the QA process being skimped over which would result in these issues, be sure that there would be a paper trail inside of company confirming that, and also be sure that lawyers WILL FIND IT during the discovery process.
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#55
Bwaze
mahirzukic2There is this thing in law called DISCOVERY. It is a process in which you get to request the data and knowledge which a company (in this case Intel) or its employees knew which you can use yourself in court. If the company (in this case Intel) doesn't comply, the lawyers request a subpoena and the court orders the company (in this case Intel) to hand over the (incriminating) data.
So "Intel targeting that uncertainty", give me a break. If there is even a sliver of doubt about the QA process being skimped over which would result in these issues, be sure that there would be a paper trail inside of company confirming that, and also be sure that lawyers WILL FIND IT during the discovery process.
Nvidia GTX 970 with "4 GB, but actually no" case took almost 2 years, in the end Nvidia settled to compensate US buyers (and noone else) $30 and pay millions in legal fees, at the time when the card was already old generation, so many buyers already moved on.

Lawsuit against Nvidia misrepresenting and hiding impact of sales to crypto miners was dismissed, because judge found no clear evidence Nvidia knowingly mislead shareholders - and every child could look at Nvidia revenue reports and see that there was sudden and unexplainable increase in server, automotive, professional imaging that coincided with crypto sales rise, and a fall when the crypto crashed...

So I wouldn't dare to type in all caps about how legal system should work.
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#56
mahirzukic2
BwazeNvidia GTX 970 with "4 GB, but actually no" case took almost 2 years, in the end Nvidia settled to compensate US buyers (and noone else) $30 and pay millions in legal fees, at the time when the card was already old generation, so many buyers already moved on.

Lawsuit against Nvidia misrepresenting and hiding impact of sales to crypto miners was dismissed, because judge found no clear evidence Nvidia knowingly mislead shareholders - and every child could look at Nvidia revenue reports and see that there was sudden and unexplainable increase in server, automotive, professional imaging that coincided with crypto sales rise, and a fall when the crypto crashed...

So I wouldn't dare to type in all caps about how legal system should work.
My main point regarding the discovery is that is alleviates the "Intel might target just that uncertainty" issue.
Now as to how much can be reclaimed in damages in the resulting litigation, is anyone's guess.
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#57
mkppo
fevgatosI think the only reason Intel extended the warranty is because they are moral upstanding citizens and they really love and care about their customers
Have you watched the video GN made about the moral upstanding citizens? Unfortunately it only shows their recent love and care for their customers but go back a couple of decades and it becomes perfectly evident just how moral they are as citizens. If they were based in the UK, they'd be named Dr. Intel today
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#58
Hecate91
fevgatosYes, intel is refusing rmas left right and center. Sorry, I can't reason against hatred. No amount of facts will convince you otherwise, so let's go with that, intel is refusing rmas. Which Intel chip do you happen to have?
The evidence available from a bunch of claims of Intel refusing RMAs isn't hating on them.
And why does it matter what cpu I have?
fevgatosI think the only reason Intel extended the warranty is because they are moral upstanding citizens
If Intel had any moral upstanding they wouldn't have hidden the degradation issue for 2 years, or changed their statements after the tech press reported on it, or removed valid questions from the reddit thread. If Intel loved and cared about their customers there would have been a full recall and a tool to check for degradation, not telling their users to repeatedly install an nvidia driver to check for issues.
fevgatosDon't worry, Intel already announced that an extension is on the works for tray and oems as well.
Intel should have extended the warranty for all of their cpu's in the first place, not waiting until there is backlash for it, their handling of this whole situation has been terrible.
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#59
mahirzukic2
mkppoHave you watched the video GN made about the moral upstanding citizens? Unfortunately it only shows their recent love and care for their customers but go back a couple of decades and it becomes perfectly evident just how moral they are as citizens. If they were based in the UK, they'd be named Dr. Intel today
I think he was being sarcastic. Forgot the /s
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#60
Vayra86
fevgatosyour feelings.
fevgatosI think the only reason Intel extended the warranty is because they are moral upstanding citizens and they really love and care about their customers.
fevgatosat least they are trying.
You should apply a mirror to these comments for yourself and look at it long and hard. You and I both know you're not this naive. Stop bullshitting, or lacking that, soldier on, but welcome to my shitlist.
This isn't about 'Intel hate', its about their lackluster response and wording on top of the long apparent denial of their hot and power hungry CPUs. Every gen, when limits got stretched, they had a cool story that basically said 'This is fine' or, amounted to 'Overclocking is on your own risk, so go F yourself anyway'. We have a half dozen new metrics for turbo behaviour for example. It all just screams 'do the minimum and see if we get caught' while trying to keep some semblance of progress on paper in their spec sheets. And now they get caught. And they'll again try doing the minimum. There's no need to deny that, in fact, it would serve you well not to, because your supposed words 'of reason' in this topic and many others get a very weird aftertaste.

Its already a major fuckup these CPUs managed to land in a retail box in the first place, but Intel just stacked two and maybe even three more screwups on top of that to prove their point: you, little customer, are irrelevant and we just want your money. There's no conceivable way to read between the lines here, I'm surprised you managed to.
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#61
iNinja9K
I think you can sue everyone and everything nowadays. Here are some examples. Like Ozempic, hernia mesh, CrowdStrike. And it's not bad. It's great that we can do that, and these companies can pay for what they are doing.
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