Tuesday, September 10th 2024
AMD X870E and X870 Motherboards Available from September 30
Motherboard vendors have been sporadically announcing their new premium- and high-end motherboards based on the AMD X870E and AMD X870 desktop chipsets, however, we've had a hard time finding or ordering these online. It turns out that although AMD allowed its motherboard partners to tease or announce their products based on the new chipset models, their market availability is timed.
Apparently, you should be able to buy these motherboards starting September 30, 2024. In the run-up to their availability, various online retailers have put up these motherboards at fairly high prices. Motherboards based on the cheaper AMD X870 are typically priced above $250, while those based on the top X870E start around $325. It is widely rumored that the mid-range AMD B850 will launch early next year. Until then, you always have the option of older AMD B650 chipset motherboards. If you want to pair these with newer Ryzen 9000 series "Granite Ridge" processors, you can take advantage of the UEFI BIOS Flashback feature.
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Apparently, you should be able to buy these motherboards starting September 30, 2024. In the run-up to their availability, various online retailers have put up these motherboards at fairly high prices. Motherboards based on the cheaper AMD X870 are typically priced above $250, while those based on the top X870E start around $325. It is widely rumored that the mid-range AMD B850 will launch early next year. Until then, you always have the option of older AMD B650 chipset motherboards. If you want to pair these with newer Ryzen 9000 series "Granite Ridge" processors, you can take advantage of the UEFI BIOS Flashback feature.
44 Comments on AMD X870E and X870 Motherboards Available from September 30
theres bugger all difference between x870e x870, x670e and x670....
surely there must be more? it all comes down to the aib boards and what they put in?
HAHA Yeah OK npe that' maybe in U.S dollars but that's not what Australia or New Zealand are paying for them my Asus ROG Strix X670E - E Gaming Wifi was $878 dollars (including sales tax because here we don't show prices without it included) which is $528.38USD
If I had of wanted an Crosshair of any version X670E it was going to be well over $1200NZD or $722.16USD
X870/870E is only going to be more expensive than that and for what USB4 pft yeah OK
I prefer a mainboard with lower price and less
garbageperipherals like:- Audio Card -> Most headsets have their own USB Soundcard. I use a
- Network Interface CARD (Nic), especially the crappy 1GBit / 2GBIT
- WLAN NIC
- USB 4.0
- RGB Controller
- several NVME 5.0 Slots
My onboard AUDIO Card creates distortion to my studio monitors. That Audio Card on the mainboard is useless for myself while using those external speakers. Just costs money.Ethernet I barely need at all.
3rd Party INTEL WLAN makes issues in some operating system. For some reason USB tethering works flawless in any operating system.
Bear in mind, some mainboard have now less USB 3.X USB-A mechanical ports. Those I prefer over USB-C or USB4.0
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I was looking for some replacement mainboard in the range of 120 to 150€ without shipping in central europe for several months. There is nothing equivalent to my existing bogus X670 mainboard.
Maybe I am lucky and the sellers will drop their old stock when the 800 series mainboards are available.
A Crosshair Hero (not even an extreme) is flipping 650$ these days..... I dont even know how a market still exists who can affort this.
The components like Audio etc dont really add costs. They are like the cheapest extra stuff you can get. What bothers me is that "Gaming" Boards dont even have surround sound anymore. Only special stuff like extra layers, surface mount instead of through hole and fancy vrm controllers and switches really increase cost. But that is still way below the skyrocketing margin.
No point buying 600 series now unless it's purely budget reasons.
Basically, want a budget board, without all the required budget peripheral connections that someone on a tight budget will use.
Recently I purchased 2nd hand Asus X670E-E for 250 EUR with 24+ months warranty left, since I do not need USB4 but will use 4 NVMe SSD in near future. For 250 EUR of new board I can buy entry level X870(E) or lower midrange od B850 in 2025, so I opted for almost-flagship board (yes, I said I won't buy Asus anymore, but a new one, and since my money didn't went to Asus, I'm good) :D
Maybe I am wrong about this, but as said, majority of media said the same thing.
X870 is just renamed B650E. USB 4.0 is not part of the chipset itself, motherboard utilize USB 4.0 support through CPU's PCIe Gen 5.0 lanes. But for some stupid reason AMD made requirement that any MB equipped with X870(E) chipset has to support USB 4.0. B650E is much better option compared to X870, simply because you won't cripple x16 GPU slot by populating two x4 M.2 slots connected to CPU. On X870 this is not possible - when you populate 2nd CPU-bound M.2 slot, GPU x16 slot gets crippled to x8.
You can get ASUS B650E-F Gaming for around 230 € and it will be much better choice for those who don't need USB 4.0. Good X670E boards are still above 340€ in my country. Compared to B650E you get 8 extra chipset lanes with X670E, but still, you're bottlenecked with CPU-Chipset link being PCIe Gen 4.0. Shame that AMD has not improved CPU-Chipset link for three generations now. PCIe Gen 4.0 x4 was present since X570. It should have been of Gen 5 on X870(E) boards.
Even on the Intel side, my last 2-3 motherboard upgrades seemed to be more about better connectivity options than anything else.
X670 supported only PCIe Gen 4.0 on GPU slot.
www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/amd-x870e-vs-x870-vs-x670e-vs-x670-vs-b650e-vs-b650/
EDIT: X870 supports up to 2x M.2 PCIe Gen 5.0 drives connected to CPU. Once 2nd M.2 CPU-bound slot is populated, x16 GPU slot works at x8 mode.
B650E supports 1x M.2 PCIe Gen 5.0 drive + 1x M.2 PCIe Gen 4.0 drive connected to CPU. x16 GPU slots does not get crippled by populating 2nd M.2 slot.
Though, the X870E Tomahawk looks miles better and reasonable, than any other MSI X870E/X870 mobo, so far.Yeah, but no! With current X870/B850 MBs, having now sometimes even less PCI-E slots than previous X670E, then good luck stuffing in an extention card or two. Especially, with this trend, to put only one fully wired X16 slot, solely for VGA use, and the rest being X8 at best, even while having X16 slot length.
Also, not always the M.2 slot is fully substitute for the proper PCI-E slot. Not only due to electrical and physical contact, but sometimes first two PCi-E slots being directly wired to the CPU itself. So by putting the extention card into the bottom M.2 slot, will just end up divinding the bandwidth with other I/O and devices, that are bound to the south-bridge.
Also, the M.2 is much more fragile. And on top of this, there are tons of existing and perfectly working peripherals and expansion cards, many many people use at work, that physically require the PCI-E slot. Imagine how much hurdle and pain, and money it would cost these people and companies to swap their existing, sometimes even legacy HW, for the M.2 counterparts, just because all of sudden the motherboard maker decided that M.2 is more financially appealing.
And that`'s not the worst. The most ridiculous thing begins with mATX and mITX boards, where are little to none PCI slots, except the one purported for VGA itself. How then would one add any expansion cards is a real question.
You see, while I agree, that some I/O and connectivity is not only unnecessary, but even completely redundant (or even dangerous), there`s still a lot of things, that is much reasonable to put on the MB itself. The point behind putting the I/O and other stuff and devices onboard, is that alot of space on the motherboard, will still be left unused, even after placing all the core/crucial components and wiring. And the chips and controllers often take up much less space on the flat horizontal plane of the motherboard, than if they would be placed on the separate PCB.
While the audio cards are often a complete garbage, with the layers being unprotected, and unshielded, causing huge interference, it still is much better to have a couple analogue inputs and outputs for TRRS 3.5, when it`s needed, rather than rely on HDMI/DP/USB/SPDIF, that requires the additional HW. Since the 3.5 jack devices is still more abundant, and sometimes the quality of the sound is really less important, than the presence of the sound itself. This is just one example, but it equally applies to the other stuff like Ethernet, USB-A and SATA, as these are ubiquitous, and the absolute minimal set, that every MB should have.
With this being said, the problem itself is seems lies not in what is added to the board, but how much would it cost, if the user will have to add these connectivity and controllers separately via PCI-E/M.2 slots. Because it is clear, that the motherboard makers/vendors do not lower down the MB prices, while considerably reducing the options and feature count. And removing the stuff is just another notion, these vendors like very much, and would love to see this trend supported by more people, not only in the consumer area, but by IT folks as well.
Sometimes, less is more, but that`s not the case here. Everyone have already seen the almost bare X670 boards costing north of $400, but with barely any features and connectivity. I don`'t say you or anyone else shouldn`t express the point of view. But cutting down the already handicaped boards, is not the thing worth of admiration.
As I’ve said before- there already is some versalite and crucial feature and device set, that should be onboard: like analog audio, NIC, USB A (2.0) and SATA, and I think it should stay this way. There are situations, where these are so necessary and crucial, that lacking it would render the device unusable. I won`t provide the examples, but I will just repeat, that there are stuff, removing which is impractical, and doesn`t give much benefit, if at all.
Then there’s another issue- how it will affect the technically not-savvy people? What burden will fall on the shoulders of system integrators? Who will do the adding of the ever increasing amount of expansion cards, if the PC is DIY, or has the warranty expired. There are a lot of people, who are scared to interact with PC, in any other way, but to click the "Power on" button.
That's why, the presence of many, even (legacy for some) devices onboard, is actually not that dumb idea.