X870E=X670E+USB4.0 X870=B650E+USB4.0

I've usually spent around ~$300+/- USD for a motherboard so it's an expected price point give or take.

I usually went with Intel and Asus but have gone AMD in the past. For my RyZen 3950X I opted to break with Asus (recent Asus boards failed) and went with an ASRock X570 Taichi (an excellent board BTW). For RyZen 7950X I opted for an ASRock B650E PG Riptide WiFi at release for about ~$279 USD. It's cheaper now but its an OK board. There were some minor early BIOS / UEFI issues that were sorted quickly enough.

The quality (feature set) of the ASRock B650E PG Riptide WiFi for the price at release wasn't exactly what was expected though. That wasn't an issue with the specific board though as it seemed all the new AMD boards at the time were overpriced.

Hopefully AMD and board manufacturers can scale back the price a little to better reflect customer expectations of features with respect to price,....

Either way I am OK with my RyZen 7950X + ASRock B650E PG Riptide WiFi for now. It's not worth an upgrade IMO.

Yesterday seen the Gigabyte X870 boards on amazon.de as available from sept 30, but now they are not showing up at all.

DarkholmAFAIK, X870 = X670, only on 800 is USB4 mandatory, so nothing new with 800 chipsets.
Recently I purchased 2nd hand Asus X670E-E for 250 EUR with 24+ months warranty left, since I do not need USB4 but will use 4 NVMe SSD in near future. For 250 EUR of new board I can buy entry level X870(E) or lower midrange od B850 in 2025, so I opted for almost-flagship board (yes, I said I won't buy Asus anymore, but a new one, and since my money didn't went to Asus, I'm good) :D

Maybe I am wrong about this, but as said, majority of media said the same thing.

AFAIK, the USB4 is wired to the CPU instead of the X870 chip, unlike the X670 had it on the second chip.

dgianstefaniNew AGESA from start, minor tweaks, likely manufactured more recently with process optimizations etc.

No point buying 600 series now unless it's purely budget reasons.

In my opinion, it depends on user preferences.
At the moment, I don't need a USB4. Thus, I will opt for X670E rather than X870E because USB4 steals one of the PCIe lanes.
I already got MSI MEG X670E ACE for my 9950X for 400EUR (second hand like new/4 month old), and I am happy about it.

TomWengX870E=X670E+USB4.0 X870=B650E+USB4.0

X870E = X670E + USB4.0 + (GEN5 NVME * 0.5)

GigaherzRyzen 3000 to 5000 to 7000 was.

No it wasnt. Paying $300+ every other year for 15% gains is the territory of the wealthy who must have the best every single gen. Not reasonable in the slightest to 99% of people. Especially with 7000, where you have an overpriced platform with overpriced memory to go with.

ChaitanyaUnless the user building new AM5 based PC really wants USB 4 there really is nothing new on offer with 800 series of boards. Even for USB4/TB4 there are quite a few 600 series boards that offer it(though they were all stupidly overpriced offerings) and might be discounted by now.

I didn't even know that USB4 exists.

Insane prices for a motherboard. Mah god.

RuruI didn't even know that USB4 exists.

It's pretty big, as far as USB upgrades are concerned. A big step towards actually becoming "universal". It's held back by the lack of compatible devices.

EatingDirtYour wants are so niche that no company will ever make a motherboard catered to your preferences. No WLAN or NIC's? That's so absurdly niche that I don't even know how to respond. I've been using and building my own PC's for 20+ years, and I have always used the onboard WLAN/NIC's. And motherboard without audio would have to have a huge warning on it saying that it's only compatible with USB audio interfaces.

Basically, want a budget board, without all the required budget peripheral connections that someone on a tight budget will use.

I agree, that post i useless. That said, i remember clearly when pc parts cost a lot more, fx a HDD had same cost as this mobo.
It´s cheaper to build your pc then ever.

AMD never fails to fcuk up a launch. You'd think they'd learned their lesson after the Zen 4 release and people avoiding it in their droves due to high total cost of cpu + MB + DDR5. Finally DDR5 is affordable and they release underwhelming, ovepriced cpu's and even more stupidly priced MB's with almost no reason to upgrade at all. You could buy a usb4 pci-e add-on card if you need it desperately for X670/650 MB's that don't already have it.

why are the intel boards always nicer then the amd one, aorus z790 aorus master for example has way better io then the brand new x870e aorus master

Blurpywhy are the intel boards always nicer then the amd one, aorus z790 aorus master for example has way better io then the brand new x870e aorus master

Intel dedicates PCIE4 x8 for the downstream chipset I/O while Amd have PCIE4 x4.

Amd offers more direct I/O to CPU with PCIE5 x8 while Intel have PCIE5 x4.

Blurpywhy are the intel boards always nicer then the amd one, aorus z790 aorus master for example has way better io then the brand new x870e aorus master

I'm looking into Z890 this time and Arrow Lake. I want more than 8 cores and don't want to deal with AMD's core-parking nonsense. I found this table for next gen Intel MB's. How does Z890 compare to X870(E)?

Chipset	H870	B860	Q870	Z890	W880	W890	WM880	HM870
Total High-Speed I/O Lanes (CPU + PCH)	33 (17+16)	45 (21+24)	56 (26+30)	60 (26+34)	60 (26+34)	60 (26+34)	60 (26+34)	60 (26+34)
Total PCIE Lanes	24	~34	~44	~48	~48	~48	~48	~48
Processor TB4/USB4 Ports	1	1	~2	~2	~2	~2	N/A	N/A
DMI Gen4 Lanes	4	4	8	8	8	8	8	8
Chipset PCIe 4.0 Lanes	8	~14	~20	~24	~24	~24	~24	~24
SATA 3.0 (6G Lanes)	4	4	~8	~8	~8	~8	~8	~8
USB2 Ports	10	12	14	14	14	14	14	14
USB3.2 (20G) Ports	0	~2	~4	~5	~5	~5	~5	~5
USB3.2 (10G) Ports	~2	~4	~8	~10	~10	~10	~10	~10
USB3.2 (5G) Ports	~4	~6	~10	~10	~10	~10	~10	~10
Base Clock Overclocking	No	No	No	Yes	No	Yes	No	Yes
Memory Overclocking	No	Yes	No	Yes	Yes	Yes	No	Yes
Processor PCIe 5.0 Lane Configuration	1x16	1x16 + 1x4	1x16 + 1x4 / 2x8 + 1x4 / 1x8 + 3x4	1x16 + 1x4 / 2x8 + 1x4 / 1x8 + 3x4	1x16 + 1x4 / 2x8 + 1x4 / 1x8 + 3x4	1x16 + 1x4 / 2x8 + 1x4 / 1x8 + 3x4	1x16 + 1x4 / 2x8 + 1x4 / 1x8 + 3x4	1x16 + 1x4 / 2x8 + 1x4 / 1x8 + 3x4
Processor PCIe 4.0 Lane Configuration	N/A	N/A	1x4	1x4	1x4	N/A	1x4	1x4
System Memory Channels/DPC	2/1	2/2	2/2	2/2	2/2	2/2	2/2	2/2
ECC	No	No	No	No	Yes	Yes	Yes	No
Simultaneous Displays Supports	3	4	4	4	4	N/A	4	4
PCIe RAID 0/1/5/10 Support	No	No	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Row 17 - Cell 7	Row 17 - Cell 8
SATA RAID 0/1/5/10 Support	No	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Row 18 - Cell 7	Row 18 - Cell 8
Intel vPro + Standard Manageability	No	No	Yes	No	Yes	Yes

Minus InfinityAMD never fails to fcuk up a launch. You'd think they'd learned their lesson after the Zen 4 release and people avoiding it in their droves due to high total cost of cpu + MB + DDR5. Finally DDR5 is affordable and they release underwhelming, ovepriced cpu's and even more stupidly priced MB's with almost no reason to upgrade at all. You could buy a usb4 pci-e add-on card if you need it desperately for X670/650 MB's that don't already have it.

There is already for pre-oders some motherboards from gigabyte at 300-350$. And new Chipset doesn't only give native USB 4.0, it also upgrades max OC for RAM to 8000-8200 Mhz and also allows for new M.2 NVMe Gen 5 pcie lanes not accounting for new underground technologies from makers like ASUS and MSI to allow for better and stable cpu OC.

dgianstefaniYep I run SATA controller disabled. Useless port IMO. Replace with U.2 or M.2

U.2 and M.2 are just physical connectors. On consumer motherboards, the U.2 bus is PCIe, and the M.2 bus can be several.

And SATA connectors are still very useful for many people.

Don't really see any point in AMD releasing these new motherboards unless they address two issues with the last couple gens: 1) Boot times. 2) Idle power consumption.

LittleBroEDIT: X870 supports up to 2x M.2 PCIe Gen 5.0 drives connected to CPU. Once 2nd M.2 CPU-bound slot is populated, x16 GPU slot works at x8 mode.
B650E supports 1x M.2 PCIe Gen 5.0 drive + 1x M.2 PCIe Gen 4.0 drive connected to CPU. x16 GPU slots does not get crippled by populating 2nd M.2 slot.

That's totally sucks!!! Will the X870E operate at 8X Pci-E when 2nd M2 been populated??? Im wondering if this rule applies in Z890 motherboards.... If not i probably chose Intel...again...

DoudoulixThere is already for pre-oders some motherboards from gigabyte at 300-350$. And new Chipset doesn't only give native USB 4.0, it also upgrades max OC for RAM to 8000-8200 Mhz and also allows for new M.2 NVMe Gen 5 pcie lanes not accounting for new underground technologies from makers like ASUS and MSI to allow for better and stable cpu OC.

What new M.2 NVMe Gen 5 pcie lanes are you reffering to?

RAM OC capabilities are about the same. Just look how mobo makers updated their mobo specs recently. Last year there was 6400 MT/s in ASUS X670E mobo, now there's written "up to 8000 MT/s".

X870(E) uses exactly same piece of silicon as X670(e) called Promontory 21. You can reach higher memory frequencies through CPU support or AGESA updates.

Do you recall launch of 1st Zen generation? People bought 1500X or 1600X and they could not get the memory running at 3200 MHz. It was running at 2667 MHz and after nearly a decade of months people were finally able to use that CPUs with 3000 MHz or 3200 MHz. That was one disastrous launch.