How exactly 3060 performance or lower for $250 in 2025 is competitive?

usinameHow exactly 3060 performance or lower for $250 in 2025 is competitive?

Care to show us some benchmarks, since you seem to have some insider info here?

TheLostSwedeCare to show us some benchmarks, since you seem to have some insider info here?

videocardz.com/newz/intel-arc-b580-battlemage-gpu-leak-confirms-20-xe2-cores-12gb-vram-and-2-85-ghz-clock
www.techpowerup.com/326976/intel-arc-battlemage-gpu-surfaces-with-20-xe2-cores-2-85-ghz-clock-speed-and-12-gb-vram

It can't even beat A770

At that price I buy this day 1 if it's released in December and has a perf in the 4060Ti - 7800XT range.

usinamevideocardz.com/newz/intel-arc-b580-battlemage-gpu-leak-confirms-20-xe2-cores-12gb-vram-and-2-85-ghz-clock
www.techpowerup.com/326976/intel-arc-battlemage-gpu-surfaces-with-20-xe2-cores-2-85-ghz-clock-speed-and-12-gb-vram

It can't even beat A770

Sorry, I don't see the benchmark numbers...

usinameHow exactly 3060 performance or lower for $250 in 2025 is competitive?

I think you're mistaking "competitive" for "consumer-friendly" or "exciting". Radeon 7600 is $250+ right now, so as long as B580 is on par, it will bring 4 more gigs and better RT for the same price, hence "competitive". Also A580 was 7% behind 3060 a year ago, per TPU's own tests. This one will definitely be faster.

usinamevideocardz.com/newz/intel-arc-b580-battlemage-gpu-leak-confirms-20-xe2-cores-12gb-vram-and-2-85-ghz-clock
www.techpowerup.com/326976/intel-arc-battlemage-gpu-surfaces-with-20-xe2-cores-2-85-ghz-clock-speed-and-12-gb-vram

It can't even beat A770

From your sources:

"One interesting thing to note is that, while these early benchmarks show weak OpenCL performance, Intel didn't historically target this particular API, and the final performance will be higher in actual games that use DirectX 12 or Vulkan APIs, possibly worthy of competing with NVIDIA and AMD solutions."

TheLostSwedeSorry, I don't see the benchmark numbers...

browser.geekbench.com/v6/compute/2824022 - 97k
and the new one 78k

CraptacularFrom your sources:

"One interesting thing to note is that, while these early benchmarks show weak OpenCL performance, Intel didn't historically target this particular API, and the final performance will be higher in actual games that use DirectX 12 or Vulkan APIs, possibly worthy of competing with NVIDIA and AMD solutions."

This is Intel vs Intel, so what is the problem? The V140 based on same Battlemage is showing very similar poor results in gaming.

DristunI think you're mistaking "competitive" for "consumer-friendly" or "exciting". Radeon 7600 is $250+ right now, so as long as B580 is on par, it will bring 4 more gigs and better RT for the same price, hence "competitive". Also A580 was 7% behind 3060 a year ago, per TPU's own tests. This one will definitely be faster.

A580 is 24Xe this one is 20Xe, so 17% less Xe cores.

usinamebrowser.geekbench.com/v6/compute/2824022 - 97k
and the new one 78k

And that relates to gaming how?

usinameA580 is 24Xe this one is 20Xe, so 17% less Xe cores.

So you're saying there are no generational improvements to be had?

TheLostSwedeAnd that relates to gaming how?


So you're saying there are no generational improvements to be had?

17% less cores and still 10% faster and you can't see generational improvement? What are your expectations, 50% improvement?

usiname17% less cores and still 10% faster and you can't see generational improvement? What are your expectations, 50% improvement?

No, but I would expect this to end up performing similar to the A750.

I really wonder if Intel can do any hardware or software properly.

Just by chance i found a few hours ago a full post on intel website about my broken Intel WIFI chip. The intel wifi chip crashes which crashes the full box. The hole box freezes. At least after several months i found some hints about some broken power saving feature on this intel wifi chip AX210 notebook module. A intel forum guy say reinstalling drivers, changing power saving feature in the uefi and other nonsense. My previous, already sold, mainboard with (I think) Intel AX200 also randomly crashed (That was the wifi chip before my current wifi chip). I do expect that the current firmware fixes issues with wlan chip. It definitely did not do that for the past 3 years with recent intel wifi chips in my personal case. Just a few hours ago my system log was filled with system crash messages caused by faulty intel wifi wlan module. All unsaved work lost - as the box froze suddenly.

I only read about new products on those tech pages. I hardly ever see the topic posters making a personal report about the long term usage of intel graphic cards.
e.g. intel graphic card after 6 / 12 / 18 months in windows 11 pro / ubuntu gnu linux / Freebsd and so on. I'd like to read about that. How are the driver quality? Which bugs do exists? Personal opinions.

My refurbished lenovo laptop died in 11th month of the 12 month warranty period. Lenovo had a service page about firmware security issue about the preinstalled intel SSD. (was 2.5" sata one)

Intel has to come in a price region where the hassle is worth paying for an intel graphic card. I do get the point why people buy nvidia and do not buy amd.

TheLostSwedeNo, but I would expect this to end up performing similar to the A750.

So we are on same page, 3060=A750

I think the argument is that you can get an AIB 16GB A770 in this price range so if they're putting the 580 at $250 with less VRAM it better out perform the current cards or you end up with the disaster launches that we saw with Arrow Lake and Zen 5 non-X3D.

People in the 5700 / 2070 / A770 crowd are pretty desperate for an upgrade as anything worth upgrading to is currently 2+ years old. Are we not going to see any major performance improvements at this price point in two whole years? That would be pretty sad.

You’d think the next generation would be faster than the old across the board, but we are just coming off a rather disappointing Arrow Lake launch.

TheLostSwedeSo you're saying there are no generational improvements to be had?

192 bit vs 256 bit bus mean also slower VRAM. Combined slow VRAM and decreased Xe, may will eat architecture improvements.

TumbleGeorge192 bit vs 256 bit bus mean also slower VRAM. Combined slow VRAM and decreased Xe, may will eat architecture improvements.

No, it means it has a narrower bus width, but it can still have faster VRAM.
That said, according to Videocardz, we should be looking at 19 Gbps GDDR6, which isn't enough to make up for the narrower bus width compared to the A580, so it'll be interesting to see how Intel gets around that.
The GPU is meant to be much faster though, which also doesn't make any sense, since it sounds like it'll be bandwidth strarved.
videocardz.com/newz/intel-arc-b580-battlemage-gpu-leak-confirms-20-xe2-cores-12gb-vram-and-2-85-ghz-clock

Why rumors only regarding B580? Nothing about B750 and B770? Intel only wants to release B580 in December?

TheLostSwedeNo, it means it has a narrower bus width, but it can still have faster VRAM.
That said, according to video we should be looking at 19 Gbps GDDR6, which isn't enough to make up for the narrower bus width compared to the A580, so it'll be interesting to see how Intel gets around that.
The GPU is meant to be much faster though, which also doesn't make any sense, since it sounds like it'll be bandwidth strarved.
videocardz.com/newz/intel-arc-b580-battlemage-gpu-leak-confirms-20-xe2-cores-12gb-vram-and-2-85-ghz-clock

Hmm, except with more and faster cache, no way. But it might reduce the model name to A560 or something like that. ;)

LittleBroWhy rumors only regarding B580? Nothing about B750 and B770? Intel wants to release B580 only in December?

Apparently.
x.com/harukaze5719/status/1861767145904054618

well the price is OK, if it performs that way and is energy efficient it could be interesting

Pretty sad that people are bashing the product already before any real performance leaks are out.

I really hope some competition which would maybe lower the pricing from AMD and NV.

Too early to say anything. I look forward to see actual benchmarks, driver stability and what was done with power consumption. If B580 is better than RX7600 with similar price tag and decent power draw I might consider buying it.

The limited edition card is stupid. No one's going to see it inside the case and I don't need fancy additions which have nothing to do with performance.

tommo1982Too early to say anything. I look forward to see actual benchmarks, driver stability and what was done with power consumption. If B580 is better than RX7600 with similar price tag and decent power draw I might consider buying it.

The limited edition card is stupid. No one's going to see it inside the case and I don't need fancy additions which have nothing to do with performance.

Need to disagree with that when thinking all of the windowed cases and the RGB stuff of today's hardware. :D

tommo1982The limited edition card is stupid. No one's going to see it inside the case and I don't need fancy additions which have nothing to do with performance.

If anything I think Intels LEs are less fancy then literally every ODM. I generally prefer them because they arent fancy. In addition, Intels LEs are infact, no different then AMD or Nvidias FE or in house designs. They all do it.