csendesmarkSorry, can you explain this?
I am not familiar with CAD.

it's the money the Snow Mexicans use

DavenSo a small business owner that sells T-shirts and looking to save money is waiting on X3D chips before building the front office receptionist a PC?

Those small businesses are buying OEMs, probably used if the owner is the slightest bit tech savvy. There's lots of OEM PCs with 7th and 8th gen i5's for under $150.

freeagentIts like American money, but with beavers.

How much USD is 1 beaver worth? There's an annoying beaver that likes to mess with my lines that I would like to relocate.

Bomby569it's the money the Snow Mexicans use

I don't know.. another 5 or 6 months and the beavers should be back :D

Even the bears are sleeping, but not the polar bears :rolleyes:

DudeBeFishingHow much USD is 1 beaver worth?

14.39 Pesos

freeagentIts like American money, but with beavers.

Bomby569it's the money the Snow Mexicans use

Ok, you got me....
Did not even think about Canadian Dollars :D :toast:

9800X3D may be the pinnacle of gaming CPUs and very good for productivity too, but it still surprises me about these sales. $480 is just insane to me for this CPU. You can get the 12c/24t 9900X for $100 less than that now, hell it was even selling for $360 all holidays. Seems like a much better buy.

Bomby569there's AM4 that is much cheaper. Why the hell would he need AM5 and the latest AM5 to sell t-shirts? what an absurd example.

So when you said everybody in your post, you meant less than everybody (e.g. AM4 potential customers for one example, oh and how about APU and/or SFF customers for another)

DavenSo when you said everybody in your post, you meant less than everybody (e.g. AM4 potential customers for one example, oh and how about APU and/or SFF customers for another)

obviously i was commenting on the post, and the "Entire Ryzen 9000 Series".

phints9800X3D may be the pinnacle of gaming CPUs and very good for productivity too, but it still surprises me about these sales. $480 is just insane to me for this CPU. You can get the 12c/24t 9900X for $100 less than that now, hell it was even selling for $360 all holidays. Seems like a much better buy.

It depend what you do

If you do productivity work, then yes, it's a much better buy, but if you game, the 9600x or 9800X3D are better buy.

Dr_b_It is hard to find and appears sold out online, but fortunately a microcenter had stock and was able to grab one at MSRP, so its definitely not a paper launch

So far its living up to the hype

Wasn't even considering an Arrow Lake, or any other Zen 5 CPU, saw them sitting on the shelves, unwanted

Best Buy online had them on Tuesday at MSRP, mine delivers on the 6th. Amazon had them as well, but it was the typical glitching checkout where they would Add To Cart and then error out when actually trying to pay. I may have just gotten lucky with the timing, I haven't really been hunting one.

mb194dcAlso that upgrading has become pretty pointless for most use cases now.

I doubt.
I put buying a new computer, new tablet, new laptop, new minipc in the same category as upgrading.

I had for 11 month a 6 gen core intel notebook, than for a few weeks a 8 gen intel notebook. Those are barely usable for even windows updates. I saw the "quality" from dell at work in the formfactor for notebook. Sluggish slow.

Processors will limit the gaming experience - even in the middle field at some point.

john_AM5 suddenly became the option for gamers

That's up to definition.
the usual nvidia / intel fanboy will hardly buy amd. Because there is the wrong name in the uefi.

leonavisLinux it had great gains

... with bad compiler support. The compiler optimisation for amd processor is lacking for the past years.

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I'm not sure if certain regions will get more processors. Very hard to make a fact check as there are no public sold numbers for each area available.

I believe it.

i've been sitting on my AM5 board for a month now unable to get a 9800X3D since its out of stock everywhere in Canada.

freeagentStill at 1450CAD here, scalped. 9950X is like 800..

Where are you seeing it for $1450 CAD?

I've seen people trying to resell on kijii for $900-$950

is that from ebay?

MakaveliI believe it.

i've been sitting on my AM5 board for a month now unable to get a 9800X3D since its out of stock everywhere in Canada.




Where are you seeing it for $1450 CAD?

I've seen people trying to resell on kijii for $900-$950

is that from ebay?

Crooks

It is the only Amazon.ca listing

freeagentCrooks

It is the only Amazon.ca listing

hmm ya I would avoid that even bestbuy.ca has better pricing just out of stock.

_roman_I doubt.
I put buying a new computer, new tablet, new laptop, new minipc in the same category as upgrading.

I had for 11 month a 6 gen core intel notebook, than for a few weeks a 8 gen intel notebook. Those are barely usable for even windows updates. I saw the "quality" from dell at work in the formfactor for notebook. Sluggish slow.

Processors will limit the gaming experience - even in the middle field at some point.

Granted it depends how you maintain them and what Windows and other software you're using. Still using much older hardware than that for a variety of things and haven't seen any reason to upgrade yet. The hardware in the machine I'm typing on is more than 10 years old. I don't see any difference in day to day use between that and 5800x3d I have in other machine I use as well.

7950x, 9900x, 9700x all the same or cheaper than 9800x3d and will be near identical at 1440p+ and if you don't have a 4090 as well. Then there's Intel options as well.

People just being caught up in the hype for 9800x3d, sure if you use DLSS ultra performance and render your games at 720p, resolution that was mainstream 20 years ago, upscaled it'll do a job for you.

mb194dcGranted it depends how you maintain them and what Windows and other software you're using. Still using much older hardware than that for a variety of things and haven't seen any reason to upgrade yet. The hardware in the machine I'm typing on is more than 10 years old. I don't see any difference in day to day use between that and 5800x3d I have in other machine I use as well.

7950x, 9900x, 9700x all the same or cheaper than 9800x3d and will be near identical at 1440p+ and if you don't have a 4090 as well. Then there's Intel options as well.

People just being caught up in the hype for 9800x3d, sure if you use DLSS ultra performance and render your games at 720p, resolution that was mainstream 20 years ago, upscaled it'll do a job for you.

Yeah, and it's kinda fascinating, if you see the GPU sales from mindfactory, it's midrange cards that make up the majority of sales. Are people really buying a 9800x 3d and pair it with a 7800xt, a 4070 and a 4060? That's wild.

MakaveliI believe it.

i've been sitting on my AM5 board for a month now unable to get a 9800X3D since its out of stock everywhere in Canada.




Where are you seeing it for $1450 CAD?

I've seen people trying to resell on kijii for $900-$950

is that from ebay?

Hmm well it's 570€ here. Shipping to America of a package that size is apparantly 18,50€. Dunno if you know someone who lives in Germany? That could be a valuable option.

JustBenchingYeah, and it's kinda fascinating, if you see the GPU sales from mindfactory, it's midrange cards that make up the majority of sales. Are people really buying a 9800x 3d and pair it with a 7800xt, a 4070 and a 4060? That's wild.

Well maybe some people would do that. But no, usually you only buy AMD at mindfactory. Nvidia you buy at caseking, ARLT, Alternate etc. I don't think mindfactory ever has the best prices on Nvidia, at least not in high-end, but always on AMD.

leonavisHmm well it's 570€ here. Shipping to America of a package that size is apparantly 18,50€. Dunno if you know someone who lives in Germany? That could be a valuable option.


Well maybe some people would do that. But no, usually you only buy AMD at mindfactory. Nvidia you buy at caseking, ARLT, Alternate etc. I don't think mindfactory ever has the best prices on Nvidia, at least not in high-end, but always on AMD.

Thanks for the suggestion.

I think I will just wait for local stock. Currently on a 5800X3D so should be able to hold me over for another month or two :)

MakaveliThanks for the suggestion.

I think I will just wait for local stock. Currently on a 5800X3D so should be able to hold me over for another month or two :)

lol yeah. I'll stick to my 5800X3D for a few years at least. Since I won't swap my GPU either, I feel like it's a pretty good match for now.

I was looking to buy this cpu but the real performance compared to my 7800x3d, shows the difference is near ZERO for the games i like to play.
Non of my strategy games do run better at all and some even showed a negative performance.

Sure for modern games you might see a small improvement but non of my games show a performance gain at all, some even run even worse.
I used for a few weeks the cpu from a friend because he wanted to proof it, because he thought that what i say could not be true and would show a significant better gameplay.

Well lol several games did not start at all and most did not show any improvements and the rest ran even worse with this cpu now let me be clear i never run with boosted clocks as it often ends in crashing and am too lazy to send a cpu back to get another one xD

LoL so i had to send several proof video's towards his bungalow where he is living for the winter sport.
Later he tried to find any excuse to ESCAPE that he had to say "your right again :D"
Anyway he did admit as the video's where clear, lets hope the next year release of AMD it's new gpu will be a nice upgrade for me.
Cpu wise there is no new AMD cpu anytime soon to spend some money on

Bomby569it's the money the Snow Mexicans use

Yes but the last time we went to War with the US we won. That is why they don't teach it in US schools.

BronanI used for a few weeks the cpu from a friend because he wanted to proof it, because he thought that what i say could not be true and would show a significant better gameplay.

Significant? Well there are some gains overall.For significant gains from a 7800X3D you'd have to play in low resolution with a monster of a GPU, which is a strange combo.

mb194dcGranted it depends how you maintain them and what Windows and other software you're using.

Refurbinshed lenovo T460 and T480 notebooks. On the T460 I did my hole maintenance like cleaning and repasting. The refurb company did nothing. On the better T480 I did nothing. Just initialising.
The hardware is far too slow for windows 10 pro = Lenovo T460, too slow Windows 11 pro = Lenovo T480 + 16GiB RAM + dedicated nvidia gpu. Bare minimum cpu for windows 11 pro according to the cpu list from microsoft. I really wonder what else I should I have done to maintain them? I'm glad I got rid of both. T480 sold a few weeks ago.

I think some 10 year old desktop computers will be much faster as a lenovo t460. So when claiming you are using 10 year old computer, please than give the hole part list.
(random picked 10 year old processor www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/82931/intel-core-i75930k-processor-15m-cache-up-to-3-70-ghz/specifications.html - i think that will be faster as a 2 core low power notebook from T460)

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9800X3d vs 7800X3d. I'm not sure if there will be many differences. Maybe in gnu linux when you use a distro like gentoo linux when you compile stuff.

BronanI was looking to buy this cpu but the real performance compared to my 7800x3d, shows the difference is near ZERO for the games i like to play.
Non of my strategy games do run better at all and some even showed a negative performance.

Sure for modern games you might see a small improvement but non of my games show a performance gain at all, some even run even worse.
I used for a few weeks the cpu from a friend because he wanted to proof it, because he thought that what i say could not be true and would show a significant better gameplay.

Well lol several games did not start at all and most did not show any improvements and the rest ran even worse with this cpu now let me be clear i never run with boosted clocks as it often ends in crashing and am too lazy to send a cpu back to get another one xD

LoL so i had to send several proof video's towards his bungalow where he is living for the winter sport.
Later he tried to find any excuse to ESCAPE that he had to say "your right again :D"
Anyway he did admit as the video's where clear, lets hope the next year release of AMD it's new gpu will be a nice upgrade for me.
Cpu wise there is no new AMD cpu anytime soon to spend some money on

Depends on what you plan to do with the Old one. MBs were pretty inexpensive during Black Friday/Cyber Monday and the stock of B650 (especially MIni ITX) is priced to move with some B650I rivaling A620I in price but Micro ATX are insanely well priced where I live. The As Rock B650 Pro Wifi is perfect for a 8600G system for one main reason. 120Hz support on the on board HDMI for some great HTPC enjoyment. Once you have experienced it you won't go back on a panel that has Freesync support from 45-120/144. I want to see how these new 360+hz panels do with old content like those Gray Market drives.

That is why I hope that this CPU puts pricing pressure on the rest of the stack. I would love to pay less for my 9900X3D when it launches. The gulf between the 7800X3D and 7900X3D was $150 and the 7950X3D was $400 more. Those are Canadian Dollars. As you can see it is already more expensive than the most expensive GPU from AMD from 3rd party sellers. We are falling further down the rabbit hole but I want the 9900X3D to be maligned again as there was a point last summer where that chip (7900x3D) was a ridiculous $343 Canadian on a flash sale. Of course they sold every single one and funnily enough the 7900X3D is more expensive right now than when I bought mine at launch.

If you think CPU performance does not matter, get yourself a copy of City Skylines 2 and get the population above 500,000. Even 1440P will bring your CPU to it's knees and more cores matter. I have several machines and the 5950X just does not have the clock speed but 16 cores is insane meanwhile the 5600X is well slower. The craziest thing is that the 5900X was the best performing after my X3D. There is something about 6 core CCDs being cooler than 8 core just by design. That effetcs the thermals in ways that you would have to own one and use long term to understand. I mean you can put a $35 Air cooler on a 5900X that you would not even put near a 5950X. Thankfully Thermalright has things like P.A. for $45 Canadian dollars to make the argument moot.

leonavisSignificant? Well there are some gains overall.For significant gains from a 7800X3D you'd have to play in low resolution with a monster of a GPU, which is a strange combo.

There is no such thing as significant anymore. We just expect 30% like any CPU has actually ever achieved that from generation to generation. The 2000 chips were faster than 1000 but 3000 chips were plain fast. When 5000 came though it was not as significant. Of course you could also buy killer MBs like the B550 Xe or the Unify and Ace Line up from MSI. 7000 is about 20% faster than 5000 at the extreme. Significant is transistor count and density increases but performance for me has reached a plateau in the CPU space. 5.7 GHz is on the 7000X3D Dual CCD chips and everyone is gushing because the 9800X3D does 5.2. Clock speed still matters. I got a 8600G for testing (and playing older Games) and that chip is surprisingly fast, it also blows away the 5600G that I was using. That is because it has a much faster IGPU though and not just 5 GHz support with Insane Memory support. 5 GHz is still crazy fast. I have a LM790 as my boot with a cheap 2TB SSD for storage.

Indeed, and the 8700G is even better. I was a little shocked how good games like God of War look like on the Steam Deck.

What you say is true, but I feel for GPU as well. I might be getting old, but oftentimes I see improvement when looking at new games with high-end hardware only when someone tells me specifically what to look for. On first glance could be 7 years old or was released yesterday...

My hope is that AMD's APU will continue improving, in which case I'll get rid of the GPU altogether. It's just so much more efficient, power-wise...

I hope this makes AMD realize that non-X3D SoCs are not the future.