The market will never accept this price.
AMD is not in a position to dictate so high prices - it is an underdog with declining market share - in the notebook section it is almost non-existent.
The cards with only 16 GB will be DOA.
The end of the Radeon division is just around the corner.

Paramount650-700$ is good price for XT if same as 7900XTX in performance

Pretty sad situation for AMD if it's just a sidegrade, lol

TheDeeGeePretty sad situation for AMD if it's just a sidegrade, lol

8 GB less VRAM, same power consumption, same price. This is an obvious downgrade.
This is a mid-range card in an enthusiast-level retail packaging, with a steep enthusiast-level pricing, enthusiast-level power consumption, but mediocre features and mediocre performance.
It's not worth it.

TheDeeGeePretty sad situation for AMD if it's just a sidegrade, lol

Sidegrade is the best scenario it may be also as downgrade similar to RTX 5080. If this is true profit margins for AMD for a single gpu will be insane.

3valatzyThe end of the Radeon division is just around the corner.

If those price rumors are true then:toast:

OK, so what are the chances that AMD will release a statement that they have no idea where these prices originated from, as they haven't yet announced the official retail prices? Likely? Slim? Not happening? (As you might suspect, I'm a little bit in denial at the moment.) I was thinking more along the lines of $100 USD less for each model.

RX 7800 XT (499$) was released 1.5 years ago in 2023

RX 9070 XT directly replaces RX 7800 XT! (Very similar die size and specifications even the same old GDDR6 vram which now is cheaper!) Even with tarifs they could easily price it at 599$.

I just noticed it's GDDR6 still, wow. I'll be honest, if I was doing a new build right now, I'd probably go with the 5080 or 5070 ti. at least until FSR4 proves itself and is in loads and of loads of games, problem with FSR 4 will be the game selection, I'm confident it will be very improved and match DLSS. game selection matters though and you just can't beat DLSS this late in the race.

Space LynxI just noticed it's GDDR6 still, wow. I'll be honest, if I was doing a new build right now, I'd probably go with the 5080 or 5070 ti.

Yes, that's also one of the reasons I'll try to snag a 5070 Ti. The higher bandwidth afforded by GDDR7 is desirable for ML tasks.

These prices are likely garbage, the 9070xt going to be less than that. Can't get miracles out of 64 CU and 256bit memory bus.

Unless there's something we don't know about these cards, the rumored pricing seems really really bad.

We can only hope this isn't true.

for a "mid-range" card, those are "high-end" prices, and the card has bulky cooling systems for a mid-range. Either the AIB's are overspec'ing the card like crazy or the card is performing crazy good hence the prices and coolers. I really don't know what to think, but I am leaning on the former.

KritIf those price rumors are true then:toast:

mb194dcThese prices are likely garbage, the 9070xt going to be less than that. Can't get miracles out of 64 CU and 256bit memory bus.

These prices suggest RTX 5080 performance level. Let's wait and see.
If the performance is around RX 7900 GRE, then these are scalper prices.

Sometimes there are scalper prices. :kookoo:

yfn_ratchetIn comes the era of the early-adopter tax... as much as I like to root for the 'little' guy, I can't justify these prices even if it blows the 7900XTX out of the water. Seems like Nvidia and AMD had their shoes untied for this release if they're both tripping up this badly.

More like final sunset tax.
16GB GDDR6 19.5Gbps memory
2.4-3.0GHz core clock
Fair Pixel/Texel rate improvements over last gen 7800XT
Non-competitive FP16/32/64 calc

Once again a card that aims for the "mid-range."
Where's the early adoption? 2nd gen AI cores?
Inb4 TSMC has another earthquake...

Battler624The only reason people will be getting AMD cards is because they either don't want to support Nvidia, the Nvidia cards are out of stock, or they want them for Linux/open-source related endeavors.

I don’t buy Nvidia because their products are piss poor quality. But judging by your comment, it looks like you may not want to hear that.

DavenI don’t buy Nvidia because their products are piss poor quality. But judging by your comment, it looks like you may not want to hear that.

Yours almost burn down your house too...or?

FWIW: I own and have owned nVIDIA cards. I own and have owned ATi/AMD cards. That doesn't mean what's going on is okay (on either side).

9700 XT at $750 is decent value against the 5070 Ti? Slightly higher raster performance, higher power draw and zero interesting features at the same price?

They gave up the high-end to gain market share, and they want to achieve that by selling cards at the same price or higher than NVIDIA?

I'd say this is crazy, but then I look at all their previous launches in recent years...

Space LynxI just noticed it's GDDR6 still, wow. I'll be honest, if I was doing a new build right now, I'd probably go with the 5080 or 5070 ti. at least until FSR4 proves itself and is in loads and of loads of games, problem with FSR 4 will be the game selection, I'm confident it will be very improved and match DLSS. game selection matters though and you just can't beat DLSS this late in the race.

5080 is bad juju, I'm tellin' ya. 5070ti should be pretty decent, just don't think it'll really excel in RT (that's it's downfall) beyond something like a N48. It's just the price...It's awful.

But so are these AMD prices, so idk. Everything sucks. Like I say: I'll keep suggesting 7800xt/7900xt/xtx when you can find one at a reasonable bargain depending on your goals.
That may not be this moment (getting decent pricing on those), but those moments will come, just as they have in the past. If you bought then, you beat the system (ig).

THU319700 XT at $750 is decent value against the 5070 Ti? Slightly higher raster performance, higher power draw and zero interesting features at the same price?

They gave up the high-end to gain market share, and they want to achieve that by selling cards at the same price or higher than NVIDIA?

I'd say this is crazy, but then I look at all their previous launches in recent years...

How is 7508 @ 2970 better raster perf than 8960 @ whatever nvidia clocks it?

I guess when FSR4/DLSS are both enabled 9070xt would probably win, that's true. But not w/o it. 9070xt might overclock to perform *slightly* better, but they'll be really close, I think.

The point is, it's at moments like these where things like DLSS4 (IQ etc) would be the tie-breaker. And a tie-breaker it likely will be for many folks, I think.
I really do think it's stupid for AMD to think they can directly compete.
It's possible there's some sitch AMD might boast a passable framerate when 5070ti doesn't (by design from nVIDIA), but that's bc DLSS4 will have a higher performance trade-off than FSR4 (which prolly like DLSS3).
So...better IQ or higher framerate, pick your poison. I guess it would depend if you need to upscale from a lower-than-desired resolution or not, and/or the perf is worth it to you and/or the iq difference matters.

Maybe just take the DLSS4 dll and switch it back for the DLSS3 dll :p

That Nitro card is sexy as hell. Has me more excited for this launch than any RTX 50 card

alwaysstsHow is 7508 @ 2970 better raster perf than 8960 @ whatever nvidia clocks it?

I don't know what this means, but there were some supposedly leaked benchmarks of the 9700 XT, which placed it slightly above the 4080 Super, while the 5070 Ti is estimated to be slightly below the 4080 based on the NVIDIA slides.

It's not really relevant, though. Whether it ends up being 10% slower or 10% faster, $750 would be a ridiculous price. Performance per dollar is the only thing they can win with, but they don't seem to realize it.

Battler624If it performs lesser than a 7900XTX, then its a DoA at those prices.

Does RT 'low' count? I think they'll be similar in that regard. We'll have to see how well AMD's (extra) TMU implementation does versus previous generation (and nVIDIA).

THU31I don't know what this means, but there were some supposedly leaked benchmarks of the 9700 XT, which placed it slightly above the 4080 Super, while the 5070 Ti is estimated to be slightly below the 4080 based on the NVIDIA slides.

It's not really relevant, though. Whether it ends up being 10% slower or 10% faster, $750 would be a ridiculous price. Performance per dollar is the only thing they can win with, but they don't seem to realize it.

Yeah...It's complicated (wrt performance and how different people judge it).

The sad part is (compared to everything else from the current generation) both parts may actually succeed in perf/$.
But you are correct that it isn't an excuse for the absurdly bloated margins on these things, regardless, versus what we've seen in the past (at least from AMD). I've given up hope for nVIDIA.
AMD might wake up...if enough people complain loud enough...as they did with the 7900xt.

MxPhenom 216That Nitro card is sexy as hell. Has me more excited for this launch than any RTX 50 card

Even though I won't be buying it, I agree.

yfn_ratchetIn comes the era of the early-adopter tax... as much as I like to root for the 'little' guy, I can't justify these prices even if it blows the 7900XTX out of the water. Seems like Nvidia and AMD had their shoes untied for this release if they're both tripping up this badly.

I seen cards 2 years later and price has gone up..............usually after that long the price drops even more. Got an RX6600 2 years ago for $230cad and now it's about $270 best sale price.

Jeez guys, that price isn't even confirmed. Neither is the performance. Sometimes I see comments like the person knows exactly what to expect. And here i am with an educated guess as to how it performs. I need more contacts.

These amazon leaked prices say nothing about msrp. Just saying

Edit: daymmmm that nitro looks better than any 50xx designs I've seen. Maybe a build with that and some T30's wouldn't be such a bad idea. It looks badass

Let's be clear with Trump every price will increase, users who have old hardware of the NVIDIA 20 series or AMD 6000 series will have to renew before taxes and Trump.La sale available on amazon is what has already been confirmed that retailers already have AMD GPUs, here in Europe a 4070 TI costs 1035 euros if the 9070XTwith equal performance below that price will be a good buy, In Chiphell comparisons were made of the 9070xt vs 4090 at 1080p/2k applying software technologies of both GPUs and the result was 211 fps vs 220fps, currently it can no longer be said "AMD software is bad", it improved a lot. In production it is already compatible in blender and many more applications and its GPU options always deliver more gddr than the competition, a vital matter to load any AI of greater weight in GB. So much so that a 24 gb 7900XTX from 3 years ago has the same bandwidth as a current 16 gb 5070 ti.

The customer will pay more for 9070 and 9070Xt than the base price for something as simple as GPU extras, better dissipation, more boost frequency (3100MHz), etc.

$962 (USD) for the Nitro+, which is a bit above what is expected for that Sapphire SKU, but considering the increased cost since the new HSF and shroud seems to be more "detailed" than the previous 7900 XTX one. The 7900 XTX NItro+ debuted at $1100.

The RX 9070 XT was already expected to be around RTX 5070 Ti pricing, so the base models at $750 is more or less correct.

Sadly, that RX 9070 non-XT comes at $650, which is $100 above predicted, however it does have 16 GB of VRAM compared to the RTX 5070, which is expected to be weaker than the RTX 4070 Super by specs alone. So the pricing would still be competitive at that point.

Besides, its not like the RTX 5070 Ti won't have inflated pricing too. ASUS's Prime RTX 5070 Ti is already being listed at this price on Best Buy US:



Worst part is there is no Founders Edition model, so all these RTX 5070 Ti board partners may have inflated pricing except for maybe PNY with their usual 3-fan cooler.

EDIT: It's even worse with that popular TUF model: