vlad.coolishI still have ~300 unplayed games on GOG. Also I bought the Factorio's DLC Space Age, so in the next six months I absolutely don't care about the RTX 5xxx and RX 9xxx series.
I wish all forum participants the same ;)

You are so right… we should just ignore them for this generation, and make them think about their marketing bs. Nvidia is asking a ridiculous amount of money for a very inefficient small speed bump, while AMD, instead of offering a credible alternative, is launching garbage at a slightly lower price.

chaissunifiedSo, who exactly is the 9070 series supposed to be competing with? Is it taking on the 7900XTX, or is it more like the 7900XT, or even the 7800XT? If the performance is just on par with the last gen, or even worse, what justifies these sky-high prices? Someone in the comments nailed it: if it can't beat the 7900XTX, these prices are DoA. It's almost 2025 and they're still using GDDR6? Look at NVIDIA – even their 5070 Ti is expected to rock GDDR7! Sure, AMD might pack in more VRAM, but they're already losing out big time on bandwidth. It's like putting a tractor engine in a sports car – a massive fuel tank won't make it go faster! Just check out the comments section, so many people are already giving up on this generation. Some are saying they'll wait for 2nm or 3nm cards, others are jumping ship to PlayStation, and some are just skipping this upgrade altogether. AMD and NVIDIA are practically pushing gamers away with these moves.

A lot of comments mention the AI hype driving up GPU prices. Yeah, AI's demand for processing power is inflating prices, but how long can this bubble last? When the AI craze cools down, and these companies realize all the gamers are gone, they'll be crying all the way to the bank – or rather, not to the bank. AMD's laptop market share is practically nonexistent, and their desktop share is a pathetic 10% or so. If they keep this overpriced strategy up, they might not even hold onto that measly 10%. This 9070 series launch from AMD can only be described as a complete disaster. Exorbitant prices, confusing positioning, outdated tech – there's zero sign of any sincerity. If AMD doesn't adjust their strategy ASAP and bring out genuinely competitive products, their future in the GPU market looks bleak. NVIDIA isn't exactly innocent either, but at least they have tech advantages like DLSS. AMD, you better step up your game, or you're going to get completely wiped out by the market!

The core of AMD's pricing strategy is pure greed and shortsightedness. They probably saw NVIDIA's success in the high-end market and thought they could copy it. But they forgot NVIDIA has the CUDA, ray tracing, DLSS – those are what justify their premium prices. What does AMD have? Besides the image of being 'a bit cheaper,' what can they offer to justify these crazy prices? If AMD actually releases the RX 9070 series at these rumored prices, it's nothing short of corporate suicide. It's a betrayal of consumers and a drain on their own brand value. They might make a quick buck in the short term, but in the long run, it'll just accelerate AMD's decline in the GPU market.

$599 for a 9070XT is corporate suicide?

Bomby569i also already told you and showed that what you said in the beginning was wrong, i have nothing to add.

I think you only showed that I was right and based on that, yes, you really don't have to add something else.

$50 reduction on the price of the 4070 Ti is close to 6%. This can easily be a reduction from the AIB or the retailer, NOT Nvidia, to make the model more competitive or just sell excess inventory.
On the other hand $150 reduction on the 7900XT is close to 17%, higher than what AIBs are suppose to be making.

john_I think you only showed that I was right and based on that, yes, you really don't have to add something else.

$50 reduction on the price of the 4070 Ti is close to 6%. This can easily be a reduction from the AIB or the retailer, NOT Nvidia, to make the model more competitive or just sell excess inventory.
On the other hand $150 reduction on the 7900XT is close to 17%, higher than what AIBs are suppose to be making.

there is something wrong here. So you tell me the 4070ti has a higher MSRP than the 7900xt, and we just saw they sell for about the same in the average and lowest prices, but now your conclusion is the 7900xt had a bigger reduction.
I don't know what math skills you're working with, but it doesn't seem like they are great at all. If the 4070ti started from a higher price point and they both end at the same level, I'm pretty sure your concluding is impossible.

I'm sure it was charity from the Nvidia AIB's :D

Legacy-ZAThe major point here is, is the increased VRAM capacity, RTX3000 GPUs are still very powerful, it's just that their VRAM crippled them.

The same story with the GF 900 series, 700 series.

Heck the 8800 line and 9800 line...

MxPhenom 216That Nitro card is sexy as hell. Has me more excited for this launch than any RTX 50 card

yeah, I love Sapphire designs, and XFX too. I am really curious to see what XFX Quicksilver 9070 XT looks like. I love my 7900 XT XFX MERC310, just very well designed and looks beautiful once installed.

If AMD was competing with the RTX 5070 ti's $749
Hardware unboxed "wants" AMD to price these cards are these prices at 70% of Nvidia's prices of 30% under Nvidia prices
$525 for the RX 9070 XTX
$391 for the RX 9070.

If they were price against RX 5070 $549
$384 for the RX 9070 XTX
$280 for the RX 9080.

The card RX 9070 XT has been showing in rasterization to be above the 7900 XTX, & faster in raytracing.

Can I ask why AMD stopped selling GPUs on their store? They only sell CPU's there now.
They did that for the RDNA 2 to bypass scalpers during the mining craze. This is where they should have grabbed EVGA and made a deal with them to be the exclusive seller on their storefront and let sapphire, XFX, powercolor have the exclusive sells everywhere else.

Battler624If it performs lesser than a 7900XTX, then its a DoA at those prices.

This kind of comment is in EVERY one of these threads.

When will you guys get it. The overwhelming vast majority of us are NOT on last gen cards, or even the gen before that.

$600, $700, $800, $900 for a 9070XT is potentially a STEAL in this market. THERE ARE NO OTHER OPTIONS. NOTHING IS IN STOCK.

Ya'll wouldn't pay $2000 for a 5090? $1200 for a 5080? Guess what, you're in luck, YOU CAN'T. There aren't any anyways!

$900 new release GPU, and it's on the shelf?! SOLD.

Nater$600, $700, $800, $900 for a 9070XT is potentially a STEAL in this market. THERE ARE NO OTHER OPTIONS. NOTHING IS IN STOCK.

There are big difference between 600$ and 900$ for 600$ RX 9070 XT is a good deal but for 900$ it's complete piece of shit. Those prices are artificially increased by nvidia (no stock) and maybe even by AMD will see.

chaissunifiedIt's like putting a tractor engine in a sports car

If you had any idea what kind of engineers we are, you'd realize why it's such a stupid compare.
Overbuilt 6cyl with EFI kit, toss the crap 3spd for a 5spd, and swap in a compatible 2spd 4x4 box.
Better throttle response, stable RPM at any angle, higher top speed and better low gear range.
Effectively a streetable Jeep. I punch all those numbers into my calculator and it makes a smiley face. :)

chaissunifiedSome are saying they'll wait for 2nm or 3nm cards

I'm waiting on 2nm TSMC chips for CPU/NPU only. By the time GPUs are back on the menu I'll be more interested in the 500%+ performance jumps than anything else.

chaissunifiedThey probably saw NVIDIA's success in the high-end market and thought they could copy it. But they forgot NVIDIA has the CUDA, ray tracing, DLSS – those are what justify their premium prices.

I love to see the argument where DLSS justifies 2x MSRP when almost nobody is using it.
Same with CUDA and RT. It's more tourist grifter noise. Yeah gamer, we LOVE playing at 540p! YATTA! :kookoo:

NaterYa'll wouldn't pay $2000 for a 5090? $1200 for a 5080? Guess what, you're in luck, YOU CAN'T. There aren't any anyways!

$900 new release GPU, and it's on the shelf?! SOLD.

First to market = first to sale. AMD is not doing any favors to anyone with this level of hurry up and wait.
I understand the market is spotty for several months over Chinese New Year so things are expected to be like this for a while.
Doesn't justify premium scalper prices right out of the gate. We don't get any kind of cultural nuisance this bad in the west.

Bomby569So you tell me the 4070ti has a higher MSRP than the 7900xt

Wait, what?

Bomby569I don't know what math skills you're working with, but it doesn't seem like they are great at all.

Last time I checked 800 was lower than 900.

john_Wait, what?


Last time I checked 800 was lower than 900.

i give up. Go back to the beginning and read all the posts, you'll understand... or not and in that case i don't care anymore

DemonicRyzen666If AMD was competing with the RTX 5070 ti's $749
Hardware unboxed "wants" AMD to price these cards are these prices at 70% of Nvidia's prices of 30% under Nvidia prices
$525 for the RX 9070 XTX
$391 for the RX 9070.

If they were price against RX 5070 $549
$384 for the RX 9070 XTX
$280 for the RX 9080.

The card RX 9070 XT has been showing in rasterization to be above the 7900 XTX, & faster in raytracing.

ALL of these are completely unrealistic prices just so everyone knows.

Personal opinion, the 3xxx series from Nvidia still exists. The 6xxx series from AMD still exists. Early adopters, and compulsive upgraders, are selling these off at what are now reasonable prices.

For my money, these figures are about $100 off of being viable. AMD's own choice of naming seems to support that, when the 5070 and 9070 are competing with a $100 difference on the price tag, let alone the whacky ti designation and xt designation. If this is the launch condition, I see a very near future where you get a $50 coupon or $100 mail-in rebate that they hope you never cash-in. Either way, this would be AMD thinking that they could still sell anything at inflated prices.


Funny that Azor should joke about Always a Marketing Disaster. You usually joke after you fixed your struggle-bus of a department. This seems like he's either too tone deaf to understand that they really botched this, or he thinks laughing about this will make whatever they release feel like a confidence move. From where I sit, their confidence in competing is largely bouyed by a functional lock on the console market and the thought process that whatever they release will sell...at least enough to support the datacenter development of their GPUs. You know, where they actually seem to be making the most money with their Radeon tech. Lord knows, if this is the release of the 9070 that AMD is happy of then it's probably not going to be a consumer darling.

DemonicRyzen666Hardware unboxed

Let me fix that for you.

Nvidia unboxed ... wants lower prices for AMD cards.

They had the most stupidest reason to not test with Resize bar Turned on for their graphic card tests. One of many reasons why I do not check their contents anymore. Same with their other statements how they test. If you doubt me - check the hardware unboxed videos at the time after the 6600XT was first on the market. Their CPU test statement was also a bit wtf they are doing a ~year ago.

When I get X amount of FPS more will the educated user go into uefi and turn the option or not? I do not bother much with the windows 11 pro 24h2 AMD GPU driver. It could be, that even the windows gpu driver informs the user that the option is disabled. I think there was a hole page about "performance" and optimum hardware. I consider that page more a sale page requirement overview page from the windwos amd gpu driver.

I can always take a scenario where nvidia hardware performs better by ... ... ... Those people have time and the knowledge to test and to make changes to the test procedure. That is one of many reasons why I consider some channels just for fun

_roman_Let me fix that for you.

Nvidia unboxed ... wants lower prices for AMD cards.

They had the most stupidest reason to not test with Resize bar Turned on for their graphic card tests. One of many reasons why I do not check their contents anymore. Same with their other statements how they test. If you doubt me - check the hardware unboxed videos at the time after the 6600XT was first on the market. Their CPU test statement was also a bit wtf they are doing a ~year ago.

to be fair you should never do that, not everyone can enable RB, and it was worst back then

Bomby569i give up. Go back to the beginning and read all the posts, you'll understand... or not and in that case i don't care anymore

You post nonsense because you can't read and then you accuse me.

Where did I said that 4070 Ti had a higher MSRP than 7900XT?

You post nonsense and then try to hide it by accusing the other person and running away.

Show me my mistake and I will acknowledge it. Show me where I said that 4070 Ti had a higher MSRP than 7900XT.
For me conversation with someone else is just a conversation.
For you the proof that the other one is wrong and you are the right one, seems to be a necessity, even when you are wrong.

john_7900XT had an MSRP price of $900 and based on your chart the lowest the average price gone down was close $750 before going up again.
4070 Ti had an MSRP of $800 and the lowest the average price gone was $750 before going up again.

Bomby569So you tell me the 4070ti has a higher MSRP than the 7900xt

Just tell me or run away scared, because you are wrong.
Your choice.

_roman_Nvidia unboxed ... wants lower prices for AMD cards.

In their latest video they talk about fake MSRPs from Nvidia, like it is nothing important, while throwing a little Nvidia marketing there saying that in a few months prices will come down eventually.
If it was AMD they would be screaming.

NaterThis kind of comment is in EVERY one of these threads.

When will you guys get it. The overwhelming vast majority of us are NOT on last gen cards, or even the gen before that.

$600, $700, $800, $900 for a 9070XT is potentially a STEAL in this market. THERE ARE NO OTHER OPTIONS. NOTHING IS IN STOCK.

Ya'll wouldn't pay $2000 for a 5090? $1200 for a 5080? Guess what, you're in luck, YOU CAN'T. There aren't any anyways!

$900 new release GPU, and it's on the shelf?! SOLD.

Loads of stuff in stock in the UK. Even been able to buy 5080 all weekend, still available right at now 1299. Mountains of 7900xt in the 600 range.

Not difficult to ship to a forwarder if you want them somewhere else, or pay us a visit.

mb194dc1299

please always write money amounts with currency.

Assuming it is 1299 british pounds. 1560€ is not that impressive.

moneyconvert.net/gbp/1299-to-eur

Central europe: 1390 - 1450€ on preorder is nothing which motivates me to buy a nvidia graphic card. Even when it would be the nvidia 4090.
I do not see any stock in central europe. I assume those prebuild computers with the nvidia 5080 are just clickbait with long delivery time.

Max(IT)You are so right… we should just ignore them for this generation, and make them think about their marketing bs. Nvidia is asking a ridiculous amount of money for a very inefficient small speed bump, while AMD, instead of offering a credible alternative, is launching garbage at a slightly lower price.

Poor ppls cry even they not be nvidia customers and not buying Nvidia gpus.

Couple hundreds $ extra is realy nothing, no matter if its AMD or Nvidia GPU.
Ppls just cry here because they want everything for free or stupidly cheap...

Blah blah blah still no reviews...blah blah blah everybody's an expert...blah blah blah welcome to the shit show.

That about sum this thread up?

chaissunifiedIf the performance is just on par with the last gen, or even worse, what justifies these sky-high prices?

I'm not sure I understand your logic. Yes, if the performance is bad, a high price is not justified. That's why we're all waiting for the reviews.

chaissunifiedA lot of comments mention the AI hype driving up GPU prices. Yeah, AI's demand for processing power is inflating prices, but how long can this bubble last?

Ai, a bubble? It's like saying internet was a bubble.

chaissunifiedThe core of AMD's pricing strategy is pure greed and shortsightedness.

As opposed to Nvidia?!

I work in an Amazon fulfillment center and can confirm that some of these orders have absolutely been picked and presumably been shipped, considering picking the order is the 3rd to last step (sortation to the packaging area and then it gets routed to its truck for delivery). I saw a 9070 hellhound 2 days ago and grabbed a bunch of pics.

MrDweezilPresumably anyone who snagged one early isn't bound by an NDA and can post benchmarks?

Assuming they have functional drivers which is unlikely. The QR code on the 9070 hellhound for drivers didn't actually have the drivers yet. The existing leaks are presumably running beta drivers that arent publicly available.

maxflyBlah blah blah still no reviews...blah blah blah everybody's an expert...blah blah blah welcome to the shit show.

That about sum this thread up?

This is a forum, so blah blah blah is the main ingredient here.