Space Lynxpretty sure this is the strangest timeline ever, in a general sense. which is why I am unplugging and playing playstation 2 games.

I've been playing 20-year games on a 780m igpu lately. My laptop comes with a 4070 laptop version, but I'm happy playing with the 780m igpu. Strange times, I would always buy top tier laptop versions but I'm happy with the igpu.

john_This is a forum, so blah blah blah is the main ingredient here.

I'll take that blah blah blah with a some sugar and blue cheese dressing.

Besides the previously mentioned "tax on the impatient" in one of discussions about 9070 pricing news, don't forget,
that sellers still have leftovers of 7800 and 7900, which they would like to sell at current prices of course,
without additional discounts due to the emergence of RDNA4.

Also don't forget about VAT in countries - for example, the cheapest Arc B580 card doesn't cost $249,

Launch Price 249 USD

www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/arc-b580.c4244

it costs 309 euros - that's not even 20% more, but 24%.

geizhals.de/intel-arc-b580-limited-edition-31p06hb0ba-a3365436.html?hloc=at&hloc=de


p.s. I'd like to see less high prices for 9070 too, but it's not worth not considering real factors.

+ Yes, i forgot to add, that we haven't seen prices for reference models yet.
They may be lower, and cooler quality is yet to be evaluated.

A&P211I've been playing 20-year games on a 780m igpu lately. My laptop comes with a 4070 laptop version, but I'm happy playing with the 780m igpu. Strange times, I would always buy top tier laptop versions but I'm happy with the igpu.

yep, same for me. I think strange is the wrong word, you are looking for we have finally found what actual happiness is, and it's not the newest games, not by a longshot (though some indies are pretty baller), but hey our igpu's can run those too!

:toast:

rain check on both AMD and NV. Both can shove those prices and cards where sun dont shine. Intel you are up.

Need that GPU horsepower for the upscaled 720 p games!

If these desktop GPU prices are sustained, my next GPU will be in a laptop.

Random_User5070 is going to be unobtanium as a FE, and the AIB will sell at $900-1500 ($150-$300 markup, minimum), by resellers and big stores like Amazon, NewEgg and others.

Part of me wonders if the Trump tariffs are going to hurt any markets outside the US. This crazy markup over MSRP is partly scalping, partly early adjustment for Trump tariffs

For those in the US, that sucks, but for the much larger and more significant non-US market, we're talking about GPUs built by a Taiwanese foundry on behalf of a US firm, then sold to a Taiwanese AIB like Asus/Gigabyte/MSI/Sapphire/Zotac etc. Do Trump tariffs have any effect on those AIBs selling to countries that aren't the US?

You know, maybe I'm too old. I remember when they put a card out there when it was done cooking, knowing that even a bad release was still sales and a reasonable stop-gap between your competition securing the market uncontested.

Now every single source "knows" what the pricing is going to be, and none of them agree. Some use the amazon leak. Some assume "what gamers want." That's usually before they throw out a number that's surprisingly low, considering what Nvidia has already firmed up with the 5070. I'm just sitting here, and considering that AMD has created a FUD storm so dense that no matter what they release it'll be wrong, all of the pundits will be right no matter what they actually said, and all of this is because they decided to pull out the release to compete with Nvidia. A company who basically doesn't compete because they don't have to.

Is it sad to ask for Intel to step up, and maybe do something with Battlemage?

lilhasselhofferIs it sad to ask for Intel to step up, and maybe do something with Battlemage?

It's very much to ask because intel is nowhere near as good in gpu field as in cpu field. This gpu generation is way weaker than nvidia or amd and have the worst profit because of that (Big die sizes and small actual performance)

Chrispy_Part of me wonders if the Trump tariffs are going to hurt any markets outside the US. This crazy markup over MSRP is partly scalping, partly early adjustment for Trump tariffs

Small artificial production quantity is bigger problem than these 10% tarifs.

The biggest enemy by far for gpu buyers is AI and mining when it's profitable also nvidia itself when artificially producing small amount of gpus.

Also Samsung should compete with TSMC to reduce prices. I don't like when TSMC is on top for a long time.

lilhasselhofferIs it sad to ask for Intel to step up, and maybe do something with Battlemage?

A 32Gb version of B770 would be epic, and could even pressure AMD to lower the price of its totally-not-planned 9070 XTXXL 32Gb.

TPUniqueA 32Gb version of B770 would be epic, and could even pressure AMD to lower the price of its totally-not-planned 9070 XTXXL 32Gb.

It's not possible because B770 will be way too weak to handle those 32gb of vram. They might try to set up aggressive prices but still with it's weak technology it will not be enough for that.

To me even RX 9070 XT 32GB version is kinda absurd product.

lilhasselhofferIs it sad to ask for Intel to step up, and maybe do something with Battlemage?

Last I read, a B770 won't be released until late this year. Given how well B580 did, performing like a 4060 Ti / 6700 XT and costs $100 less, getting a B770 to be 20% faster than those shouldn't be hard.

That would put B770 with performance between 7700 XT and 4070, and for $350 that would be nice. 7700XT was around $350 for a brief time but cheapest is in the low $400s now, mostly $450+.

KritIt's not possible because B770 will be way too weak to handle those 32gb of vram. They might try to set up aggressive prices but still with it's weak technology it will not be enough for that.

To me even RX 9070 XT 32GB version is kinda absurd product.

Too weak ? Proof ? Assuming it will offer 70-tier performance, it'll be able to handle a lot of applications satisfactorily. This includes LLM and image generation.

TPUniqueToo weak ? Proof ? Assuming it will offer 70-tier performance, it'll be able to handle a lot of applications satisfactorily. This includes LLM and image generation.

16GB version will be nice but not 32GB one.

The pricing is a total disappointment. I was hoping for a 500-600EUR card, even for the non-XT cards.

I think its probably just a placeholder of what Amazon is expecting, remember even AIB's don't have final pricing until just 2 weeks before launch. Yeah they have the pricing by which they purchase the chips, but then depending on the actual MSRP they have their profits.

So if AMD were selling these for $580 to them and they set a MSRP of $650 then that is barely 10% wiggle room for them. if they were selling them for say $450 and they set an msrp of $550 then that is $100 for them.

I think AMD would like to price these really low, as low as they can without cutting into their profits, but I also think if they don't price them as low as possible they are going to lose even more marketshare. People are just going to skip this generation as a whole if their 9070XT is $750, that is way too much. I mean even if its say 10% faster than the 5070ti, its just not enough.

I don't know, its either way too fast, faster than we are all imagining, they have some insane gains over the previous generation, to the point where maybe the 5070XT competes with the 5080, who knows. If that is the case then I can see how $750 would make sense, but I just can't see it being that fast, that would mean 20% faster than the 5070ti, I just don't see that!

The 9070XT 32gb version does not exist for gaming and will not exist. "What more possibly exist is a navi 48 gpu with 32gb for the professional Radeon Pro 9000 series range".
But ..

EmmanuelMarThe 9070XT 32gb version does not exist for gaming and will not exist. "What more possibly exist is a navi 48 gpu with 32gb for the professional Radeon Pro 9000 series range".

I see no reason why it wouldn't exist, maybe not in the launch but later. AFAIK AMD allows more freedom for AIBs to custom their cards than NV.

Having Radeon cards in the past with double VRAM compared to the reference design isn't that rare after all.

I see it using GDDR7 because each module is 3GB and GDDR6 2GB.11 slot x3 gb=33gb
17 x 2=34gb 7900 xtx 24 gb =12 slot memory gaming
www.amd.com/es/products/graphics/radeon-for-creators.html
www.amd.com/es/products/graphics/workstations/radeon-pro/w7900.html =48gb
gpu radeon Pro serie9000 gddr7 = 64gb next step

gpu gaming radeon XTX 32 gb ....yes gddr7

Krit16GB version will be nice but not 32GB one.

32Gb will be even nicer, depending on how much AI tax will be applied to it.

EmmanuelMarI see it using GDDR7 because each module is 3GB and GDDR6 2GB.11 slot x3 gb=33gb
17 x 2=34gb 7900 xtx 24 gb =12 slot memory gaming
www.amd.com/es/products/graphics/radeon-for-creators.html
www.amd.com/es/products/graphics/workstations/radeon-pro/w7900.html =48gb
gpu radeon Pro serie9000 gddr7 = 64gb next step

gpu gaming radeon XTX 32 gb ....yes gddr7

What? Just use 16x 2GB chips to get 32GB, nothing more special.

Space Lynxyep, the AI craze will die down eventually, and we will have loads of silicon factories up and running by end of 2030, early 2030's i expect prices to plummet on gpu's and cpu's. they corrected for market demands, but underestimate how long a lot of us actually plan to keep our stuff, etc etc

Right. The CPU era died down too after a while. Oh, wait

_roman_Let me fix that for you.

Nvidia unboxed ... wants lower prices for AMD cards.

They had the most stupidest reason to not test with Resize bar Turned on for their graphic card tests. One of many reasons why I do not check their contents anymore. Same with their other statements how they test. If you doubt me - check the hardware unboxed videos at the time after the 6600XT was first on the market. Their CPU test statement was also a bit wtf they are doing a ~year ago.

When I get X amount of FPS more will the educated user go into uefi and turn the option or not? I do not bother much with the windows 11 pro 24h2 AMD GPU driver. It could be, that even the windows gpu driver informs the user that the option is disabled. I think there was a hole page about "performance" and optimum hardware. I consider that page more a sale page requirement overview page from the windwos amd gpu driver.

I can always take a scenario where nvidia hardware performs better by ... ... ... Those people have time and the knowledge to test and to make changes to the test procedure. That is one of many reasons why I consider some channels just for fun

nGreedia blacklisted them few years back to bring them in line.

Anyways I am waiting for official announcement and reviews before making decision. Also for my applications so far Helicon hasnt updated the numbers so have to wait even longer.

_roman_Let me fix that for you.

Nvidia unboxed

And yet I also hear so many call them AMD Unboxed and point at a lot of positive AMD content they claim is shilling and that they hate Nvidia.

My conclusion? people calling them AMD/Nvidia Unboxed are actually far more biased than the channel itself is.

I have my own gripes with them of course, like their inconsistent test methodology from video to video, and coming up with content ideas and thus specific testing methodology that is guaranteed to prove whatever point they want to make on the day. It's easy to have the result be what you want when you construct the test specifically to get the result you want. Steve also lets himself respond to trolls and take the rage bait, and goes on lengthy "I told you so's" etc, I find his commentary a bit grating for that reason. And more....

But overall just being clearly biased for or against a brand? Nah, they make hit pieces on anyone that deserves it for what they're doing at the time. I'm sure you or anyone could write a lengthy reply to this with examples and be like see! but again, I've seen that done for both uhhh "sides"

So much "omg the pricing" in this thread. We still don't know the MSRP so these could simply be cards listed by shady resellers to take a quick profit.

It could also be the same situation as with Nvidia where the AIBs are charging a 40-60% for what amounts to a custom cooler and a little overclocking.

It sucks all around. I'd really hate to be in the market for a GPU in 2025.