Cheeseball$962 (USD) for the Nitro+, which is a bit above what is expected for that Sapphire SKU, but considering the increased cost since the new HSF and shroud seems to be more "detailed" than the previous 7900 XTX one. The 7900 XTX NItro+ debuted at $1100.

The RX 9070 XT was already expected to be around RTX 5070 Ti pricing, so the base models at $750 is more or less correct.

Sadly, that RX 9070 non-XT comes at $650, which is $100 above predicted, however it does have 16 GB of VRAM compared to the RTX 5070, which is expected to be weaker than the RTX 4070 Super by specs alone. So the pricing would still be competitive at that point.

Besides, its not like the RTX 5070 Ti won't have inflated pricing too. ASUS's Prime RTX 5070 Ti is already being listed at this price on Best Buy US:



Worst part is there is no Founders Edition model, so all these RTX 5070 Ti board partners may have inflated pricing except for maybe PNY with their usual 3-fan cooler.

EDIT: It's even worse with that popular TUF model:

It's just sad all the way around #worstgenerationever.

The more concerning thing is Fanboys on both sides are eating it up like apple-pie à la Mode....

That being said I don't blame AIBs what's the point of releasing cards near the MSRP if scalpers can buy them all up and sell them for profit.

EmmanuelMarit can no longer be said "AMD software is bad", it improved a lot. In production it is already compatible in blender and many more applications and its GPU options always deliver more gddr than the competition.

Only the nvidia shills come in here to say AmD SoFtWArE BaD, we don't care. Flip a coin and it's either tourist trash or Booboo the foo that can't figure out how to overclock.

EmmanuelMarThe customer will pay more for 9070 and 9070Xt than the base price for something as simple as GPU extras, better dissipation, more boost frequency (3100MHz), etc.

Uh no. I already do everything from my 580 apart from solid 1080p60 H.264 encode and solid 90FPS VR.
These are literally the only two issues I care about in a GPU right now and I should be able to get any 16GB+ 6000/7000 series card at a good price.
10% tariffs have nothing to do with $400 refurbs racing for the sky and reaching 3x MSRP.

CheeseballEDIT: It's even worse with that popular TUF model:

Keep in mind, the Strix line is still the top end for the 70 class. There is a non-OC and OC version, which are certainly going to be $1000 - $1200.

KritRX 7800 XT (499$) was released 1.5 years ago in 2023

RX 9070 XT directly replaces RX 7800 XT! (Very similar die size and specifications even the same old GDDR6 vram which now is cheaper!) Even with tarifs they could easily price it at 599$.

That's what I was thinking. How is $600+ for a xx70 gen a good deal ? Like you said similar die size and ram to the $500 7800XT.

Mid range gpu selling over is 800 dollars is just nuts when price shot over $500 is already absurd… I understand prices go up but its insane also… demand is there and peeps pay for it and supply goes oh we will jack up the price since peeps happily pay for it…

I say the 9070XT will be around 7900GRE/XT performance for XTX price, 9070 will be 7800XT for 7900XT price.

Knight47I say the 9070XT will be around 7900GRE/XT performance for XTX price, 9070 will be 7800XT for 7900XT price.

Not according to from what I heard....

I know the 64 CU doesn't sound like a faster card than the RX 9070 XT but it should be faster than the current RX 7900 XT but below RX 7900 XTX.

Because if performance is only around RX 7900 GRE but for $850 it won't sell and AMD knows this and it will be a huge blow to the used market.

Together with this Nvidia have forgotten who made them who they are today which was the gamers and I tend to agree with Edward Crisler from Sapphire on his quote.

But I can see the prices Nvidia lists on their own page for me is about $710 for the RTX 5070 and $967 for the RTX 5070 Ti and this would also mean prices have increased because Jenson on stage said launch price was $549 which it's not...

oxrufiioxoIt's just sad all the way around #worstgenerationever.

The more concerning thing is Fanboys on both sides are eating it up like apple-pie à la Mode....

That being said I don't blame AIBs what's the point of releasing cards near the MSRP if scalpers can buy them all up and sell them for profit.

What is the GPU series that was sold the most? RTX3000. What is the GPU series that was crippled the most by VRAM restrictions? RTX3000. What people bought GPUs for the most ridiculous price points? The People that bought RTX3000 series GPUs.

So it goes to reason, there will be high demand for the RTX5000, from the same people that will need to upgrade their crippled GPUs and they will not care about the price.

Ergo, it's safe to say from this point forward, it would be best to upgrade at RTX6000 / RTX8000 / RTX10 000 etc, sure you get the point.

I too had to buy one, but my reason was, I had a dead GPU and ultimately, I did wait for prices to come down a bit before making my purchase, but I too contributed to the madness, make no mistake. Anyways, just my logical deduction, take it for what you will. ^_^

DavenI don’t buy Nvidia because their products are piss poor quality.

I know far too many people sworn off Radeon for that exact reason, and yet I wouldn't say it applies in broad strokes to either brand and all of their products / AIB variants etc. But judging by your comment, it looks like you may not want to hear that.

wolfI know far too many people sworn off Radeon for that exact reason, and yet I wouldn't say it applies in broad strokes to either brand and all of their products / AIB variants etc. But judging by your comment, it looks like you may not want to hear that.

I prefer nGreedia for... PhysX, some of my favourite games, Assassins Creed IV / Metro 2033/Last Light uses it and it makes huge differences to the gameplay/atmosphere. I also like to play a lot of older titles, and I remember the hassle I had to go through to get them working with my Radeon GPUs, I don't want to struggle to play a game, I just want to click "Play" and enjoy myself. Is nGreedia flawless? No, but damn well better in this regard.

Legacy-ZAWhat is the GPU series that was sold the most? RTX3000. What is the GPU series that was crippled the most by VRAM restrictions? RTX3000. What people bought GPUs for the most ridiculous price points? The People that bought RTX3000 series GPUs.

So it goes to reason, there will be high demand for the RTX5000, from the same people that will need to upgrade their crippled GPUs and they will not care about the price.

Ergo, it's safe to say from this point forward, it would be best to upgrade at RTX6000 / RTX8000 / RTX10 000 etc, sure you get the point.

I too had to buy one, but my reason was, I had a dead GPU and ultimately, I did wait for prices to come down a bit before making my purchase, but I too contributed to the madness, make no mistake. Anyways, just my logical deduction, take it for what you will. ^_^

3000 series was done in by a pandemic but they at least had large uplifts the 3080 had a larger uplift over the 2080ti than the 5080 does over the 4080 lmao.

wolfI know far too many people sworn off Radeon for that exact reason, and yet I wouldn't say it applies in broad strokes to either brand and all of their products / AIB variants etc. But judging by your comment, it looks like you may not want to hear that.

Yet AMD is stuck at 10% market share so what does that say about their products..... I mean it's cool if someone hates a company but when 9 out of every 10 gpu sold are Nvidia it's hard to play the quality card.

These prices (if true) are to high! thats well over $1000 here in Aus, thats not a mid range priced card......but with all the higher end cards basically sold out maybe these things will sell? :confused: *shrugs*

For me Personally I would like to see these cards around $700 Australian.

MelvisThese prices (if true) are to high! thats well over $1000 here in Aus, thats not a mid range priced card......but with all the higher end cards basically sold out maybe these things will sell? :confused: *shrugs*

For me Personally I would like to see these cards around $700 Australian.

I agree, but if true it's just AMD being AMD and taking advantage of the market and lack of availability from Nvidia.

Can't really blame them they are a for profit company after all if they put a 500 msrp on the XT it would just be scalped to hell I mean look at the 5080 it's the worst generational improvement ever for an 80 class card and it was like flies swarming to $#!+ at release well above msrp.

MelvisThese prices (if true) are to high! thats well over $1000 here in Aus, thats not a mid range priced card......but with all the higher end cards basically sold out maybe these things will sell? :confused: *shrugs*

For me Personally I would like to see these cards around $700 Australian.

This is what I said if the RX 9070 XT is a $1000 or around that price in my country and the RTX 5070 is $710 and the Ti variant is $967 the RX 9070 XT have to beat both of them and be comfortable in between the RTX 5070 Ti and RTX 5080 while still knocking on the door to the RX 7900 XTX to ask this price.

But I guess with Trumps tariffs the price jumps will effect every where and not only the US which is not far that this happens I guess both AMD and Nvidia forgot that the gamers are the once back in the days that made them who they are today before they entered the server marked...

If i remember well AMD, said 9070xt will fight 7900GRE and sometimes touch XT in raw and 4070ti in rt.
AMD should price it at 550-700 which would be perfect as AMD said they stay midrange.
9070xt should replace 7900xt right? and 9070 the 7800xt right?
Tell me if im wrong.

MrDweezilPresumably anyone who snagged one early isn't bound by an NDA and can post benchmarks?

no drivers.

KritRX 7800 XT (499$) was released 1.5 years ago in 2023

RX 9070 XT directly replaces RX 7800 XT! (Very similar die size and specifications even the same old GDDR6 vram which now is cheaper!) Even with tarifs they could easily price it at 599$.

599 is what I'm counting on. If it's 699 (or god forbid more) it won't sell.

AMD doesn't miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity

the marketshare is around the 500 usd/eur price. This will make little difference for the AMD supposed goal. But i don't see how can they move more of these cards at these prices than they move last gen. People with this kind of money for a GPU will go for better features, better drivers for a little more money with Nvidia

This tell me they will pull the same crap on the 9060, the real maket share move (it could be these cards but that dream is long dead). On to 5% market share. For me this is DOA, a waste of sand at these prices, they learned nothing.

AMD probably knows what Nvidia is doing and Nvidia probably knows what AMD is doing. But someone could be bluffing? Maybe yes, maybe no.

I think Nvidia announced fake MSRPs to have the option to start prices high and present any future price reductions as the result of higher supply, instead as the result of low demand. They have an image to protect. AMD probably knows this and tries to put MSRP prices on it's cards that will be $100 lower than the real Nvidia prices and not those fake MSRP prices. AMD can lower prices even after a week if it sees Nvidia lowering prices. AMD does it for years. Maybe Nvidia was trying with these MSRP prices to force AMD to put MSRP prices on it's cards that would be a financial disaster for the Radeon group. Remember those rumors about $479-$549? Those fake MSRPs will also help Nvidia to please some loyal customers who probably have already swallowed Nvidia's marketing about 5070 being as fast as 4090.

Let's not forget that probably Nvidia enjoys a huge profit margin on gaming cards while AMD doesn't. Also Nvidia sells 9 times more cards, meaning that even with the same profit margin as AMD, it will make 9 times more profit. Nvidia plays the game, AMD tries to avoid going under in the gaming market.

Of course this game between AMD and Nvidia could be just an act and the real victim to be the consumer. "Reasonable" but fake MSRPs and real but high MSRPs, in the end only do one thing. Increase the prices considerably.

I guess if B770 is good enough, Intel can consider releasing it after seeing the prices of 9070 and (the real price of) 5070. Maybe a B770 with 24GB or 32GB of VRAM at $399-$449 would make some sense if it offers RX 7800 raster performance but better RT performance.

oxrufiioxo3000 series was done in by a pandemic but they at least had large uplifts the 3080 had a larger uplift over the 2080ti than the 5080 does over the 4080 lmao.

The major point here is, is the increased VRAM capacity, RTX3000 GPUs are still very powerful, it's just that their VRAM crippled them.

john_AMD probably knows what Nvidia is doing and Nvidia probably knows what AMD is doing. But someone could be bluffing? Maybe yes, maybe no.

I think Nvidia announced fake MSRPs to have the option to start prices high and present any future price reductions as the result of higher supply, instead as the result of low demand. They have an image to protect. AMD probably knows this and tries to put MSRP prices on it's cards that will be $100 lower than the real Nvidia prices and not those fake MSRP prices. AMD can lower prices even after a week if it sees Nvidia lowering prices. AMD does it for years. Maybe Nvidia was trying with these MSRP prices to force AMD to put MSRP prices on it's cards that would be a financial disaster for the Radeon group. Remember those rumors about $479-$549? Those fake MSRPs will also help Nvidia to please some loyal customers who probably have already swallowed Nvidia's marketing about 5070 being as fast as 4090.

Let's not forget that probably Nvidia enjoys a huge profit margin on gaming cards while AMD doesn't. Also Nvidia sells 9 times more cards, meaning that even with the same profit margin as AMD, it will make 9 times more profit. Nvidia plays the game, AMD tries to avoid going under in the gaming market.

Of course this game between AMD and Nvidia could be just an act and the real victim to be the consumer. "Reasonable" but fake MSRPs and real but high MSRPs, in the end only do one thing. Increase the prices considerably.

I guess if B770 is good enough, Intel can consider releasing it after seeing the prices of 9070 and (the real price of) 5070. Maybe a B770 with 24GB or 32GB of VRAM at $399-$449 would make some sense if it offers RX 7800 raster performance but better RT performance.

nvidia doesn't need to play games. they just went for the jugular with the 5070.
AMD is eating the sand in the playground.

Legacy-ZAit's just that their VRAM crippled them.

That was always the limiting factor on Nvidia cards, I mean for the last 20 years. Nvidia was always offering high performance and low VRAM at anything but the top models, to limit their life circle.

Legacy-ZAI prefer nGreedia for... PhysX, some of my favourite games, Assassins Creed IV / Metro 2033/Last Light uses it and it makes huge differences to the gameplay/atmosphere. I also like to play a lot of older titles, and I remember the hassle I had to go through to get them working with my Radeon GPUs, I don't want to struggle to play a game, I just want to click "Play" and enjoy myself. Is nGreedia flawless? No, but damn well better in this regard.

PhysX EOL?)

"This Far, And No Farther!"

Zazigalka599 is what I'm counting on. If it's 699 (or god forbid more) it won't sell.

I wish price tag of 599 but I believe it's gonna be 699 sadly to try to avoid scalpers and bots snagging up all the storage even retailer doesn't do much to prevent it like Proshop they do not care as long as they sell their stock it doesn't matter who it's too sadly.

I dealt with them before on manners and information on their shop but they do not care even if you know a product have a good manufacture warranty and they sell like "white label" drives when it comes to hard drives it's take it or leave it because they think as long as they don't list any manufacture warranty and you cannot see it without going into too many details they avoid a shit storm buy offering the country warranty on things which ain't always the same when they sell it for the same price as a drive originally sells for with 5 years manufacture warranty.

I guess this is also why they didn't cancel any pre-orders on RTX 50 series they do not care as long as they sell it doesn't matter if it's the day before or the launch day.

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PhysX EOL?)

Go look under the "custom installation" you next next clicking bot. >.>

john_That was always the limiting factor on Nvidia cards, I mean for the last 20 years. Nvidia was always offering high performance and low VRAM at anything but the top models, to limit their life circle.

Yes, but back then AIB's could add more, nGreedia made a restriction here, a shame.