Tuesday, February 25th 2025

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 50 Cards Spotted with Missing ROPs, NVIDIA Confirms the Issue, Multiple Vendors Affected

TechPowerUp has discovered that there are NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 graphics cards in retail circulation that come with too few render units, which lowers performance. Zotac's GeForce RTX 5090 Solid comes with fewer ROPs than it should—168 are enabled, instead of the 176 that are part of the RTX 5090 specifications. This loss of 8 ROPs has a small, but noticeable impact on performance. During recent testing, we noticed our Zotac RTX 5090 Solid sample underperformed slightly, falling behind even the NVIDIA RTX 5090 Founders Edition card. At the time we didn't pay attention to the ROP count that TechPowerUp GPU-Z was reporting, and instead spent time looking for other reasons, like clocks, power, cooling, etc.

Two days ago, one of our readers who goes by "Wuxi Gamer," posted this thread on the TechPowerUp Forums, reporting that his retail Zotac RTX 5090 Solid was showing fewer ROPs in GPU-Z than the RTX 5090 should have. The user tried everything from driver to software re-installs, to switching between the two video BIOSes the card comes with, all to no avail. What a coincidence that we had this card in our labs already, so we then dug out our sample. Lo and behold—our sample is missing ROPs, too! GPU-Z is able to read and report these units counts, in this case through NVIDIA's NVAPI driver interface. The 8 missing ROPs constitute a 4.54% loss in the GPU's raster hardware capability, and to illustrate what this means for performance, we've run a couple of tests.

In the first test, "Elden Ring" at 4K UHD with maxed out settings and native resolution (no DLSS), you can see how the Zotac RTX 5090 Solid falls behind every other RTX 5090 we tested, including the NVIDIA Founders Edition, a de facto reference-design that establishes a performance baseline for the RTX 5090. The Zotac card is 5.6% slower than the FE, and 8.4% slower than the ASUS ROG Astral RTX 5090 OC, the fastest custom design card for this test. Officially, the Solid is clocked at 2407 MHz rated boost frequency, which matches the Founders Edition clocks—it shouldn't be significantly slower in real-life. The interesting thing is that the loss of performance is not visible when monitoring the clock frequencies, because they are as high as expected—there's just fewer units available to take care of the rendering workload.

A ROP (Raster Operations Pipeline) unit in the GPU processes pixel data, handling tasks like blending, antialiasing, render-to-texture, and writing final pixel values to the frame buffer. In contrast, a shading unit, aka "GPU core" is responsible for computing the color, lighting, and material properties of pixels or vertices during the rendering process, without directly interacting with the frame buffer, so the performance hit of the eight missing ROPs depends on how ROP-intensive a game is.
For example, in Starfield, the performance loss is much smaller, and in DOOM Eternal with ray tracing, the card actually ends up close to its expected performance levels.

We've also put the card through a quick 3DMark Time Spy Extreme graphics score run.
  • NVIDIA Founders Edition: 25439
  • Zotac Solid: 22621
  • Gigabyte Gaming OC: 26220
This should be a number that you can test easily for yourself, if you're one of the lucky RTX 5090 owners. The quickest way is definitely to just fire up GPU-Z and look at the ROP count number, it should be "176."

So far, we know only of Zotac 5090 Solid cards that are affected, none of our review samples from ASUS, Gigabyte, MSI, Palit, and NVIDIA exhibit this issue, all 5090 owners should definitely check their cards and report back.

This is an issue with quality assurance at both NVIDIA and Zotac. NVIDIA's add-in card partners (AICs) do not have the ability to configure ROP counts, either physically on the silicon, or in the video BIOS, and yet the GPU, its video BIOS, and the final product, cleared QA testing at both NVIDIA and Zotac.

We are working with Zotac to return the affected card, so they can forward it to NVIDIA for investigation. At this time Zotac was unable to provide a statement, citing the fluidity of the situation. As for possible fixes. We hope the issue is localized to a bug with the driver or the video BIOS, so NVIDIA could release a user-friendly BIOS update tool that can run from within Windows and update the BIOS of the affected cards. If, however, the ROPs were disabled at the hardware-level, then there's little that end-users or even AIC partners can do, except initiating a limited product recall for replacements or refunds. If the ROPs really are disabled through fuses, it seems unlikely that NVIDIA has a way to re-enable those units in the field, because that would potentially provide details to how such units can be reactivated on other cards and SKUs from the company.

Update 14:22 UTC:
Apparently the issue isn't specific to Zotac, HXL posted a screenshot of an MSI RTX 5090D, the China-specific variant of the RTX 5090 with nerfed compute performance, but which is supposed to have 176 ROPs. Much like the Zotac RTX 5090 Solid, it has 8 missing ROPs.

Update 16:38 UTC:
Another card has been found, this time from Manli.

Update 17:30 UTC:
ComputerBase reports that their Zotac RTX 5090 Solid sample is not affected and shows the correct ROP count of 176. This confirms that the issue isn't affecting all cards of this SKU and probably not even all cards in a batch/production run.

Update 17:36 UTC:
Just to clarify, because it has been asked a couple of times. When no driver is installed, GPU-Z will use an internal database as fallback, to show a hardcoded ROP count of 176, instead of "Unknown." This is a reasonable approximation, because all previous cards had a fixed, immutable ROP count. As soon as the driver is installed, GPU-Z will report the "live" ROP counts active on the GPU—this data is read via the NVIDIA drivers.

Update 19:18 UTC:
A card from Gigabyte is affected, too.

Update Feb 22nd, 6:00 UTC:
Palit, Inno3D and MSI found to be affected as well

Update Feb 22nd, 6:30 UTC:
NVIDIA's global PR director Ben Berraondo confirmed this issue. He told The Verge:
NVIDIAWe have identified a rare issue affecting less than 0.5% (half a percent) of GeForce RTX 5090 / 5090D and 5070 Ti GPUs which have one fewer ROP than specified. The average graphical performance impact is 4%, with no impact on AI and Compute workloads. Affected consumers can contact the board manufacturer for a replacement. The production anomaly has been corrected.
Very interesting—NVIDIA confirms that RTX 5070 Ti is affected, too.

While NVIDIA talks about "one ROP unit," this really means "8 ROPs" in our context. Many years ago, marketing decided that higher numbers = better, so they started to report the number of pixels that can be processed per unit, instead of the actual unit counts. So in this case, one hardware unit is disabled, which mean eight pixels per clock less can be processed, resulting in a loss of "8 ROPs".

Update Feb 25th:
In the meantime, some RTX 5080 GPUs with missing ROPs were found, too, NVIDIA provided the following statement to TechPowerUp:
NVIDIAUpon further investigation, we've identified that an early production build of GeForce RTX 5080 GPUs were also affected by the same issue. Affected consumers can contact the board manufacturer for a replacement.
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486 Comments on NVIDIA GeForce RTX 50 Cards Spotted with Missing ROPs, NVIDIA Confirms the Issue, Multiple Vendors Affected

#126
ir_cow
I bet that was suppose to the 5090 originally and the 5090 we have now would be a Titan card.
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#127
JustBenching
kapone32The funny thing is AMD did catch them with Polaris and Vega was faster but Crypto first and then RT/DLSS narrative pushed it back down. Then Nvidia started selling Gaming GPUs directly to China and it juiced their Gaming numbers to to the conceived 90% market share. Then the PC Community will tell you it is all people buying 4090s from Brick and Mortar and e-tailers.
Vega? Vega was the biggest flop amd has ever released. Came a year too late, prices were absolutely insane and power draw was nuts vs nvidias last year offerings.
Prima.VeraExcept there are 100+ other options except Apple on the phone market.
On the video cards market, there is currently only intel and AMD, both with sub par offerings both on hardware, also software level. Yes, nGreedia currently holds a monopoly on the GPU market, so people are buying its products because there is no other choice. If AMD would have something better than DLLS 4, 4xFrame Gen, hardware PhysX, or hardware G-SYNC equivalent, then I would jump the wagon in an instant without looking back.
I still miss the best AMD (ATI) card ever produced, the Radeon HD 5870.
Oh but come on, all of these features (including broadcast, RTX super resolution, RTX HDR) are useless and only idiots and sheep buy nvidia. /s

I long for the day Ill login into the forum and won't have to read these kinds of comments from salty amd fans that are mad their favorite multibilion dollar company aint competitive but nope, we have to deal with this crap. 6 pages in and "idiots / sheep"" has been mentioned 3 times.. Good grief, get a hobby guys.
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#128
AusWolf
JustBenchingStill, I want to know if it randomly affects all models. I find it highly unlikely that an AIB decided to send such a model to TPU for review, that's crazy if the goal was to try and hide the fact.
That's probably because the AIB wasn't aware.
ir_cowI bet that was suppose to the 5090 originally and the 5090 we have now would be a Titan card.
Or the 5090 Super, to be released this time next year, accidentally released now.

Either this, or there were more defects than Nvidia expected, but instead of discarding them and increasing the price even further, they just went "nah, f* it". I just don't know why they didn't disable enough ROPs on all chips for them to be equal.
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#129
rv8000
In before Nvidia throws AIBs under the bus.
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#130
Waldorf
Funny how many here going off against companies for selling defective/missing "parts" gpu, while one post mentioned that ROP count was correct, before installing Nv driver.
love ppl arguing about what a product is missing, without even owning such product.

sounds like those ppl whining about the maintenance cost of a +100K 2-door sports car, without driving one.
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#131
JustBenching
WaldorfFunny how many here going off against companies for selling defective/missing "parts" gpu, while one post mentioned that ROP count was correct, before installing Nv driver.
love ppl arguing about what a product is missing, without even owning such product.

sounds like those ppl whining about the maintenance cost of a +100K 2-door sports car, without driving one.
They would all line up for a 5090 but the missing ROP has them stopped dead in their tracks man.
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#132
rv8000
WaldorfFunny how many here going off against companies for selling defective/missing "parts" gpu, while one post mentioned that ROP count was correct, before installing Nv driver.
love ppl arguing about what a product is missing, without even owning such product.

sounds like those ppl whining about the maintenance cost of a +100K 2-door sports car, without driving one.
Except there’s a measurable performance discrepancy between models reporting lower ROP counts that is more than margin of error difference. Reading comprehension is difficult when you let defending a multi billion dollar corp get in the way. Toss in a pointless car analogy, just so smart…
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#133
sbacc
john_Nope. When Nvidia DOES IT, it's nothing, it's probably "user error". Gamers Nexus...... "proved that".
When AMD is RUMORED that it does it - and usually it's a lie - all the Internet is uproaring.
If you don't believe me, let me quote wiz's words from Civ VII performance review.
Yikes, even weirder to say this about CIV 7 considering there seems to be nothing linking that game to AMD...There is an Intel logo...and an Nvidia logo for GeforceNow but nothing about AMD anywhere (official CIV website, AMD website, Youtube...). That's a very bad take to put in a game GPU perf review tbh...
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#134
AusWolf
WaldorfFunny how many here going off against companies for selling defective/missing "parts" gpu, while one post mentioned that ROP count was correct, before installing Nv driver.
Let's go off against the crappy driver, then. ;)
Waldorflove ppl arguing about what a product is missing, without even owning such product.

sounds like those ppl whining about the maintenance cost of a +100K 2-door sports car, without driving one.
Just because I don't own a product, I can still have an opinion on the situation, right?

It's like commenting on the Hollywood wildfires "what a horrible thing", and then you going "shut up, you don't live there". Jesus, man. :confused:

Why the f*k does a forum exist other than to discuss things that are a bit outside of your circle? I don't need to discuss my own GPU, because I've got it right here.
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#135
sbacc
rv8000Except there’s a measurable performance discrepancy between models reporting lower ROP counts that is more than margin of error difference. Reading comprehension is difficult when you let defending a multi billion dollar corp get in the way. Toss in a pointless car analogy, just so smart…
To be fair we already had 6 pages of comments but zero car analogy, the 1st rule of physics was nearly broken...Now, I will be able to sleep tonight...
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#136
GerKNG
WaldorfFunny how many here going off against companies for selling defective/missing "parts" gpu, while one post mentioned that ROP count was correct, before installing Nv driver.
love ppl arguing about what a product is missing, without even owning such product.
Because GPU-Z just takes the specs from the Database without drivers installed…
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#137
Waldorf
@rv8000
ahh, the typical "your defending a billion dollar company".
never made such statement, but that wont fit your argument.

@AusWolf
as long as you dont own the product, you cant confirm if there is or isnt an issue, that's why.

i have no problem discussing the difference in perf, the why/how is a different story, as long as there is no confirmation on how wide spread it is, especially when i see how many have no way of confirming it (not owning the product).
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#138
AusWolf
sbaccTo be fair we already had 6 pages of comments but zero car analogy, the 1st rule of physics was nearly broken...Now, I will be able to sleep tonight...
With a car analogy, burning power plugs and lost performance would be an instant recall of the whole product line due to safety concerns. But there's no safety concern with a GPU (other than your house burning down, I guess), so Nvidia can't be bothered.
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#139
anonuser57
I wonder if this is part of some larger defect issue and also the reason behind the extremely limited stock. If NVidia decided to ignore TSMC's design constraints and wound up with high defect rates this wouldn't be the first time. Fermi 2 complete with house fires too!
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#140
AusWolf
Waldorf@AusWolf
as long as you dont own the product, you cant confirm if there is or isnt an issue, that's why.
Yeah, and without living on the North Pole, I can't confirm whether it's cold there or not, right?

Did you read the article? It states that there is an issue. And here you are, saying that there isn't. Are you for real? :confused:

What if I had a 5090 that isn't affected? Would that mean that there is no issue whatsoever?
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#141
JustBenching
AusWolfWith a car analogy, burning power plugs and lost performance would be an instant recall of the whole product line due to safety concerns. But there's no safety concern with a GPU (other than your house burning down, I guess), so Nvidia can't be bothered.
There has been 0 cases of house fires. The only thing relating to a gpu that has caused a house fire was an 8 PIN. Guy literally burned down his whole house by using an 8pin pcie adapter (180 degree).
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#142
AusWolf
JustBenchingThere has been 0 cases of house fires. The only thing relating to a gpu that has caused a house fire was an 8 PIN. Guy literally burned down his whole house by using an 8pin pcie adapter (180 degree).
I never said there were any cases. I said it could be a concern.
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#143
Waldorf
@AusWolf
where did i say there isnt one?
but if i dont have the product, its an assumption by those claiming there is, not a fact.

because we havent seen global numbers. what if its only 20 cards on the whole planet, vs every other card like some here make believe?
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#144
AusWolf
Waldorf@AusWolf
where did i say there isnt one?
but if i dont have the product, its an assumption by those claiming there is, not a fact.

because we havent seen global numbers. what if its only 20 cards on the whole planet, vs every other card like some here make believe?
How many cards do you need to be affected to consider it an issue?
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#145
wNotyarD
WaldorfFunny how many here going off against companies for selling defective/missing "parts" gpu, while one post mentioned that ROP count was correct, before installing Nv driver.
love ppl arguing about what a product is missing, without even owning such product.

sounds like those ppl whining about the maintenance cost of a +100K 2-door sports car, without driving one.
In the other thread, W1zz came forward and said it's common GPU-Z behavior. Without drivers, it just looks up to a table.
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#146
neatfeatguy
GerKNGBecause GPU-Z just takes the specs from the Database without drivers installed…
Was just about to post that - W1zzard even said that's how it works until a driver is installed.
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#147
Aquinus
Resident Wat-man
I wonder how many more issues are going to arise from the 5090. It's not feeling like a good investment given the cost. What good is buying the best if you're rolling the dice on several issues?
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#148
john_
Intel degrading problems, Nvidia 5000 series problems. Damn AMD is a mafia....... :p
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#149
BigMack70
john_Intel degrading problems, Nvidia 5000 series problems. Damn AMD is a mafia....... :p
A clown mafia who will no doubt mess up their best opportunity in nearly 15 years to capture mind and market share.
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#150
ThomasK
BigMack70A clown mafia who will no doubt mess up their best opportunity in nearly 15 years to capture mind and market share.
At this point, the one treating its customers as clowns is nvidia, guess that's why you're so butthurt.

After all, this thread is about missing ROPs on the 5090s, isn't it?
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