Morgothstil waiting for nehalem, bloomfield 45nm, 32nm end 2008

heh, those will prob get pushed back too :P

This is bad and could mean less upgrading... so maybe ok in that way but bad in general :P and than consoles take over gaming :S the dread... we could be in for slow improvements in computing hardware down the road :(

and I concur with Craig and Grings. +2

craigwhitesideLOL, very interesting post grings :laugh:

anyone else agree :roll:

^Arse...very very Britt word. I don't even know what it means.

Instructions/clock cycle. Something AMD didn't improve over the K8 and they're facing "arse" now? correct word usage??

Hey nice avatar, Craig!

hehe, you gotta love the rabbids :D

arse is a brit word for ass :)

oh and arse means, it sucks.. BIG TIME!

btarunrIn every segment, NV offers the best value for money. That is price : performance ratio. Multi-GPU setups constitute to a minority, be it SLI or CFX. Most mainstream buyers would spend on a single good card than two ok cards. 2x cards doesn't imply double performance, be it SLI or CFX, again. If I have an Intel chipset, I'd much rather pick up a sweet deal from NV, the 8800 GT or G92-8800 GTS. Unlike Intel, which believes that as long as it rules the roost it could ask whatever price it wants (like $1300 for a YF), NV took a different approach after G92. Both its G92 based products are like delicious pieces of candy you can't just put down being a kid. *slurp*. If ATi resorts to aggressive pricing, NV can do it even better. NV is like the Australian cricket team, they don't grow their asses even if they're in a winning position, they sweat it till the end.

Coming back to Intel and AMD, unless AMD takes advantage of this period and develops aspirational value with the buyer (an art which NV is beginning to master), it's going to be AMDoomed.

No...ATi is more bang for your buck all the way up to the 8800 model cards which are the only spot where NVidia has better price performance (and they really only have the best price for the same performance because ATi doesn't offer the same level of performance). Perhaps ATi's are more expensive in India than they are here...but I assure you, it's by far the other way around here that it's ATi with the aggreively low pricing.

take for example teh 3850, it rams teh 8600gts

[I.R.A]_FBitake for example teh 3850, it rams teh 8600gts

take 8600 GTS 256M for example, it rams teh HD 2600 XT 512M while being priced the same:D

FizbanNo...ATi is more bang for your buck all the way up to the 8800 model cards which are the only spot where NVidia has better price performance (and they really only have the best price for the same performance because ATi doesn't offer the same level of performance). Perhaps ATi's are more expensive in India than they are here...but I assure you, it's by far the other way around here that it's ATi with the aggreively low pricing.

Sure but bang for buck translating to what? 80% of the games mysteriously work better on an NV. The 8800 GT and HD3870 are priced the same. The Same. Compare their performances:D

Compare 8800 GT 256M with HD3850 256M, the 8800 GT is only $30 more, it has a 30~40% performance increment.

Think long term, my friend, you'd rather invest $10 more on a 20% increment than on a pizza:)

i just wished that ati's tech would have been fully worked (i mean all of the 320 shaders) and then you would have seen a really good hige end card for its price but as you see it has some issues and amd is working on it in the new R700

Intel: you've gotta be a real asshole to do that to a struggling company like AMD. that is preety damn low, and now im really gonna become an amd fanboy just to help support them, from asshole companies like Intel

Eliranosi just wished that ati's tech would have been fully worked (i mean all of the 320 shaders) and then you would have seen a really good hige end card for its price but as you see it has some issues and amd is working on it in the new R700

ATI's shader architecture is completely different from NV. 320 "stream processors" for ATi, while 128 "Unified Shaders" for NV, get it?

a stream processor handles much simpler math operations than a Unified Shader does, IE m-add, mull operations. If I send a complex thread requiring several conditions, the SP would falter. You have to do some reading on the ATI R600 architecture. I can't put everything here, read this

Anyways, we're going off-topic, please no more GPU talk.:)

panchomanIntel: you've gotta be a real asshole to do that to a struggling company like AMD. that is preety damn low, and now im really gonna become an amd fanboy just to help support them, from asshole companies like Intel

Don't get so emo. There could be other reasons, read #27

:)

over exaggerating is fun :) intel is being an asshole true, but doesn't mean i wont buy intel for my next build if amd fucks up lol

panchomanover exaggerating is fun :) intel is being an asshole true, but doesn't mean i wont buy intel for my next build if amd fucks up lol

Buy Intel then because AMD already has :p

lemme rephrase that, i'll buy intel if amd is still run by fucktards who still build fucked up products at the time that i build my next rig(which wont be in a very very long time)

@Tatty
^I LOVE this witty chimp :laugh:

btarunr@Tatty
^I LOVE this witty chimp :laugh:

heehee +1 but i thought you were petey for a second till i read the name lol, i identify most people via the avvy instead of the name lol

panchomanlemme rephrase that, i'll buy intel if amd is still run by fucktards who still build fucked up products at the time that i build my next rig(which wont be in a very very long time)

Ok no worries there then, AMD prob wont exist by then :D

zOaibi am hoping this pans out like the tale of the tortoise and the hare ....... who new he was fast and raced ahead of the tortoise and then decided since the tortoise is so slow he can get away taking a nap under the tree , little did he realize that he overslept and the tortoise went up winning the race in the end ........................ so heres hopin for AMD

yeaah but with intel new cpu's that amd was trying to do to (the quad-cores), intel is ahead of the race, but still intel is all power and amd is power and brains, but intel is seems to know what its doing in terms of letting amd have a "2nd" chance at what it was attempting to do. but were the by standers/ on lookers of this intel and amd competition

panchomanlemme rephrase that, i'll buy intel if amd is still run by fucktards who still build fucked up products at the time that i build my next rig(which wont be in a very very long time)

yeaah same but amd is firing people left in right in their business, each time they get rid of some top exec guy a new one or one with less exp. has to start where the other guy left off (which is not a good thing right now)...so the new guy has to "clean up" the crap that the other guy messed up on eg. bad sales/marketing.

btarunrSure but bang for buck translating to what? 80% of the games mysteriously work better on an NV. The 8800 GT and HD3870 are priced the same. The Same. Compare their performances:D

Compare 8800 GT 256M with HD3850 256M, the 8800 GT is only $30 more, it has a 30~40% performance increment.

Think long term, my friend, you'd rather invest $10 more on a 20% increment than on a pizza:)

I didn't know you could find the 8800GT for it's MSRP...as far as I knew it was selling for $50-70 over that. While the HD 3870 prices have settled down to ~$10 over at a few retailers.

HA! sweet give AMD a even better chance of getting though these bad times. :)....

IDK - AMD might get seriously burnt by this . . . though, Intel might stop it's march, but if their R&D doesn't keep moving, AMD could potentially throw something out that will knock Intel for a loop and have them backtracking to get their shit straight. I think this might end up being the case . . . I've been getting the feeling recently that AMD and ATI have been up to something, and have only been throwing out smoke screens, mirrors and illusions to keep the competition going down the same path; I mean, we haven't really seen anything . . . new . . . come out of AMD/ATI recently. It's re-worked stuff for the most part (except the Phenoms - but even those weren't spectacular).

If AMD only releases on-par CPUs and decides to wait out the Intel siege . . . Intel might go and get complacent again under the notion they have nothing to fear . . .


BTW, I'm not an AMD fan, but I do think this is a little messed up on Intel's part - at least how it concerns the consumers. I wonder how many companies that were intending to make use of the new tech feel about this little PR stunt.

this is going to turn interesting no matter how you look at it

If you want a New 45nm Q these are the only two your going to get

Core 2 Extreme QX9770 Jan 2008

Core 2 Extreme QX9650 you can pick one up if you got the cash :shadedshu


So there trying to make money but not help the ones with less cash or dont want to spend $1000+ on just a CPU

Im thinking they saw the OC you can get with the lower Q9300, Q9450 and Q9550 that they'll make more money buy just selling the higher ones first

panchomanIntel: you've gotta be a real asshole to do that to a struggling company like AMD. that is preety damn low, and now im really gonna become an amd fanboy just to help support them, from asshole companies like Intel

I feel ya.. I just got spam mail from Nvidia, they also wanted me to add friends for them to spam.. they tell me I should buy a 8800gt to replace my 8800gts 640mb 112sp to run Crysis... they dont even know check what res I run LOL and they also say I should buy 2 LOL

"NVIDIA has created a unique video experience for PC gamers looking for a little insight into whether or not your system has what it takes to play the best-looking, most highly-evolving game on the market today."

heres the link www.readyforcrysis.com/?UHJpdmF0ZXxjYXJsb3N0cnlnc3RhZEBtc24uY29tfDhkODZhYzg3NmZjYmNhY2U1MjNiNDkwODQyZTI4YTMz

rybotoI didn't know you could find the 8800GT for it's MSRP...as far as I knew it was selling for $50-70 over that. While the HD 3870 prices have settled down to ~$10 over at a few retailers.

The XFX Geforce 8800 GT 256M is priced at $200~$210, you get a HD3850 256M for $169~$179. Do the math, look at the charts, make a choice:)