seems hard to believe they wouldn't include that

cos the cheap gits will probably only use 128bit mem, if it was only nvidia in the market theyd slow the market right down to a halt and rinse us for what we got, im not an amd fanboy, i just want value for my money and thats something nvidia havent a clue about

ghost101Not only that. It wont beat the hd 3850 in performance. An nvidia slide says that it is upto 90% better than the 8600gts. So basically worse than a hd 3850. Another copycat of the 8600gts not being able to beat the x1950pro.

keep in mind to come near a x1950pro u need a 7900GS

When the new 3dmark 08 comes out, people are going to be mad about the 10.1 test.

This card is coming out in February or March, correct?

DaMultaWhen the new 3dmark 08 comes out, people are going to be mad about the 10.1 test.

VERY good point multa.

cheaters ...

i bet they are going to replace that after a couple months like with the 8800gts.

they should add this to the 88series. why not? they already have the ultra-gtx - gts(new and old) - gt - gs (soon)

wtf8269This card is coming out in February or March, correct?

According to the rumour mill it should be released in February.

This kind of confirms it for me that Nvidia is doing a AMD/ATI! AMD/ATI tried to fool people with the name 3850/70 that it was the "next gen" of ati cards and that it somehow would be a new chip with new better performance. And we all know its not, its a shrinked down cheaper and better 2900Xt card essentially? And to me this news(?), if proven to be true, tells me that the g9 generation seems to be a tweaked g8 chip?? I hope not, but it does feel like it.

HaZe303This kind of confirms it for me that Nvidia is doing a AMD/ATI! AMD/ATI tried to fool people with the name 3850/70 that it was the "next gen" of ati cards and that it somehow would be a new chip with new better performance. And we all know its not, its a shrinked down cheaper and better 2900Xt card essentially? And to me this news(?), if proven to be true, tells me that the g9 generation seems to be a tweaked g8 chip?? I hope not, but it does feel like it.

Will on AMD they do now do DX10.1, so it is in a ways a new generation of cards.

Kinda messed up, but odds are game companies are not going to really use it anyways..

ghost101Not only that. It wont beat the hd 3850 in performance. An nvidia slide says that it is upto 90% better than the 8600gts. So basically worse than a hd 3850. Another copycat of the 8600gts not being able to beat the x1950pro.

it will in DX10 ;)

DaMultaWhen the new 3dmark 08 comes out, people are going to be mad about the 10.1 test.

My information suggests that 3D Mark 2008....codenamed "Next" does not require DX10.1......just DX10 :p

TBH, seeing as I am struggling to find many decent DX10 games at all, after DX10 enabled cards have been available for some 14 or 15 months it makes this subject a bit of a non entity, more than 50% of TPU members are still playing their games in DX9 so I can't see as playing a game in DX10 as opposed to 10.1 is going to be a real hardship.

It would be nice to see if in 6 months time (by which time this card will have probably been replaced which seems to be the Nvidia trend these days :cry:) just how many DX10.1 games there are available to add to about the 8 true exisiting DX10 games it has taken developer 18 months to develop.......my guess is like 3 if we are lucky!

For me, DX10 has been disappointing, too few games, too many excuses to introduce more Gfx cards, most of us are in awe of the performance now available from some of these cards, thing is......most of that is DX9 performance!

its following a normal pattern with the latest dx.. games two years behind it... its just a little more obvious this time around..

games always used to come requiring the latest dx be intsalled.. this fooled folks into thinking the games actually used its features.. most of them didnt..

when a new dx was released the old one became obsolete.. or at least it appeared to.. appeared being the operative word..

it just cant be hidden now with two on the go at once..

trog

ATI's New RADEON 9600...er I mean nVidia 9600....WTF!?

HaZe303This kind of confirms it for me that Nvidia is doing a AMD/ATI! AMD/ATI tried to fool people with the name 3850/70 that it was the "next gen" of ati cards .....

What are these Companies thinking? Is it name swap time? Hmm...I bet the ATI 8800 should really ROCK!!:rockout:

Regards,
jtleon

ghost101Why? I havent seen any evidence to suggest this.

Because the 1950pro you quoted as being "quicker" cannot play DX10 games :D Hence I said it was not quicker in DX10.

ghost101I see. I thought you meant the 9600gt.

Lol no, but if you take the ATi line......it does not have to be quicker........but if it's not, it should be cheaper.

9600 GT will be based on G92. So it can't have DX10.1.

I wouldn't worry, if I were you.

AMD/ATI tried to fool people with the name 3850/70 that it was the "next gen" of ati cards and that it somehow would be a new chip with new better performance. And we all know its not, its a shrinked down cheaper and better 2900Xt card essentially?

meh . . . I beg to disagree - the 3000 series is completely different in form and function over the 2000 series. If for nothing else, the 3000 series was stouting new technology before nVidia - DX10.1 and PCIE 2.0.

Asides, ATI hasn't tried to fool anybody over the last few years (as best I can remember), unlike some competitors (not mentioning any names . . .). They haven't been in a position to afford risky marketing manuevers like that.


But, to the topic at hand - nVidia seems to be getting a little too over-confident in their ability to sell a product, seems to me . . . not supporting DX10.1 on a new series of card's might prove to be a bad idea on their part. I get the impression that they feel people will buy their new cards regardless of what tech it supports, or what performance it can offer. Complacency will screw nVidia over - mark my words.

10.1 = 10.0

It just means that certain features that really have little affect aren't forced on. Woooooo

DirectX sucks a big one anyway. Lower image quality and slower than OpenGL any day.

Developers, bring back OpenGL and quit being M$'s slaves.

TheGuruStud10.1 = 10.0

It just means that certain features that really have little affect aren't forced on. Woooooo

DirectX sucks a big one anyway. Lower image quality and slower than OpenGL any day.

Developers, bring back OpenGL and quit being M$'s slaves.

Well said, OpenGL is so much better, but you don't have M$ paying for your Porsche when your company develop games with it. When you wear a tie, performance and quality are not a priority.

simlariverWell said, OpenGL is so much better, but you don't have M$ paying for your Porsche when your company develop games with it. When you wear a tie, performance and quality are not a priority.

That's b/c Porsches are overrated ;)

I wouldn't drive a porsche even if I could afford it. Normally, I would say give me a modded TT Infiniti, and I'd be happy with the 800 RWHP that would blow any porsche away (for a fraction of the cost). But now, I want a modded 2008 skyline. Those make my penis hard.

I would feel like shit if I was such a corporate whore. All of them are sickening. People just don't have any dignity or self-respect anymore. :shadedshu

imperialreignIf for nothing else, the 3000 series was stouting new technology before nVidia - DX10.1 and PCIE 2.0.

You forgot to mention one;

55nm :toast:

I didnt buy my card for DX10 or DX10.1 I bought it for better performance :D DX10 is really pretty tho. I would definatly not buy a card that doesnt have it.