tankguys doesnt even have a graphics card listing spot

Wow, as fast or faster then a 3870X2, and only needs a decent 450Watt PSU to run:twitch:

ATi/AMD has a real winner here, if this is true:rockout:...And i'm ordering one as soon as i can, with overnight shipping:)

not holding my breath, GT200 has been in the works for over a year just like the G80 was, RV770 not so long

Urbklr911Wow, as fast or faster then a 3870X2, and only needs a decent 450Watt PSU to run:twitch:

ATi/AMD has a real winner here, if this is true:rockout:...And i'm ordering one as soon as i can, with overnight shipping:)

shouldn't you wait, if Nvidia figures are right, the GT200 GTX cards are 40% faster than the 9800GX2 which would mean a royal stomping for AMD agian

If a version of the 4870 is as fast as a 3870x2 & costs around $250 then I'm sold :p

Urbklr911Wow, as fast or faster then a 3870X2, and only needs a decent 450Watt PSU to run:twitch:

ATi/AMD has a real winner here, if this is true:rockout:...And i'm ordering one as soon as i can, with overnight shipping:)

Thats absolutely correct. If I remember right the HD3XXX is basically a 55nm rework of the HD2XXX. They found that by shrinking the die the GPU uses less power (they also implemented ATI's "Power Play" technology to clock down when Idle) and generates less heat, and of course increases performance.

the HD3870X2 uses roughly 10watts less power than the HD2900XT at full load. *correction depends on the card..could be more, could be less*

Thus giving them more time to completely design HD4XXX series from the bottom up using the "lessons learned" technique.

candle_86shouldn't you wait, if Nvidia figures are right, the GT200 GTX cards are 40% faster than the 9800GX2 which would mean a royal stomping for AMD agian

Nope, unless the 4870 is slower than my 2900XT, im getting it. Thats right, extreme case of ATi fanboism:rolleyes:

ATI did NOT have enough time to create a whole new core. RV770 is probably not going to be better than RV670 and GDDR5 + 256bit = GDDR3 + 512bit, so it will have roughly the same bandwidth as the 2900XT. I can't believe all these idiots going "HURAI GDDR5 GONA NOK NVIDIA OUT".

I'm not an nVidia fanboy. I just have common sense.

Urbklr911Nope, unless the 4870 is slower than my 2900XT, im getting it. Thats right, extreme case of ATi fanboism:rolleyes:

I joined the ATI clan after I saw the Radeon 9800 pro stomp the shit out of my old 5600XT

I just hope that they worked out the bios issue that they have had with 3870x2 overheating because the fan speed was locked at 20% to keep the noise down.

...and thats the one of the main reasons I'm waiting to see the 4870x2s....that and they're almost here.

lol @ candle, (as usual) <--- and yes, my post is about as useful as your own ^^

left-o-maticThats absolutely correct. If I remember right the HD3XXX is basically a 45nm rework of the HD2XXX. They found that by shrinking the die the GPU uses less power (they also implemented ATI's "Power Play" technology to clock down when Idle) and generates less heat, and of course increases performance.

the HD3870X2 uses roughly 10watts less power than the HD2900XT at full load.

Thus giving them more time to completely design HD4XXX series from the bottom up using the "lessons learned" technique.

Some incorrect info there HD3XXX series is 55nm not 45nm!

left-o-maticI joined the ATI clan after I saw the Radeon 9800 pro stomp the shit out of my old 5600XT

I just hope that they worked out the bios issue that they have had with 3870x2 overheating because the fan speed was locked at 20% to keep the noise down.

...and thats the one of the main reasons I'm waiting to see the 4870x2s....that and they're almost here.

Also incorrect the bios fan issue was on the 3870 cards not the X2's!

And if you are on this site you should know it was easily fixed by flashing to a better bios!

WeerATI did NOT have enough time to create a whole new core. RV770 is probably not going to be better than RV670 and GDDR5 + 256bit = GDDR3 + 512bit, so it will have roughly the same bandwidth as the 2900XT. I can't believe all these idiots going "HURAI GDDR5 GONA NOK NVIDIA OUT".

I'm not an nVidia fanboy. I just have common sense.

They mentioned that they were working on R700 before HD2900 even released.

Wile EThey mentioned that they were working on R700 before HD2900 even released.

+1 on that, R700 is a from the ground up design, hell, rumors about it have been churning since before the HD 3000 series was announced.

And still, we have no word whether or not R700 used on the 4870x2 is a dual-core GPU or not . . . might be why no core spec info has been leaked on the 4870x2 so far . . .

WeerATI did NOT have enough time to create a whole new core. RV770 is probably not going to be better than RV670 and GDDR5 + 256bit = GDDR3 + 512bit, so it will have roughly the same bandwidth as the 2900XT. I can't believe all these idiots going "HURAI GDDR5 GONA NOK NVIDIA OUT".

I'm not an nVidia fanboy. I just have common sense.

I honestly dont think ATI is going to get caught with their pants down this time like they did with the 2900 Series.

sweet action... lmao @ imperialreign thats funny!
im really looking forward to these cards...

MakaveliAlso incorrect the bios fan issue was on the 3870 cards not the X2's!

And if you are on this site you should know it was easily fixed by flashing to a better bios!

I guess that I'm wrong.

SAPPHIRE 100221SR Radeon HD 3870 X2

GECUBE HD3870X2-F3 Radeon HD 3870 X2

HIS Hightech H387X2F1GNP Radeon HD 3870 X2 1GB

MSI RX3870X2-T2D1G OC Radeon HD 3870 X2

VisionTek 900209 Radeon HD 3870 X2

it's ok.......I've been wrong before....and yes you were right:respect: it is 55nm (I had Intel manufacturing on the brain at the time.)

jbunch07sweet action... lmao @ imperialreign thats funny!
im really looking forward to these cards...

so's the fact that I just heard nVidia responded to the ATI "Jaws" tape by sending the red camp a tube of KY with G92 written on it in black magnum marker . . . and they followed up by sending one to AMD corporate with a sticky that read "courtesy of Intel"




we'll just have to see how it goes, eh?

imperialreignso's the fact that I just heard nVidia responded to the ATI "Jaws" tape by sending the red camp a tube of KY with G92 written on it in black magnum marker . . . and they followed up by sending one to AMD corporate with a sticky that read "courtesy of Intel"




we'll just have to see how it goes, eh?

ooo ouch lol!

guess we will...should be very interesting

candle_86shouldn't you wait, if Nvidia figures are right, the GT200 GTX cards are 40% faster than the 9800GX2 which would mean a royal stomping for AMD agian

Yeah and it will most probably end up costing 80% more. In pure performance it will most probably end up being faster, yes, but if the price/performance ratio is that much better then there's no excuse to get one unless you have practically unlimited budget.

Interesting info from CJ

The HD4870 does beat the 8800GTS 512. It even beats the 9800GTX by an average margin of 25%.

We will see if this is true or not.

Nice. I may have to sell my 3870 and get this 4870.

And if Nvidias recent cards are any indication, I Dont really expect the GT200 to be mind boggling.

MilleniaYeah and it will most probably end up costing 80% more. In pure performance it will most probably end up being faster, yes, but if the price/performance ratio is that much better then there's no excuse to get one unless you have practically unlimited budget.

except Nvidia always cuts down somewhere and releases a slower card, you can bet money Nvidia will be faster at the same price look at 9600GT vs 3870 or 8800GS vs 3850. Total stomp all over midrange for them. And the 9800GX2 is faster per dollar than the 3870x2, Nvidia is set to win agian, they can't loose, G80 was in the works since before G70 ever showed up, who knows how long GT200 has, we know it was GT100 and before that G90 so that gives you an idea. If you want to belive in false hopes be my guest but the glory days of AMD are over, Phenom was a total washout along with the R600 cores, so why should this be any diffrent.

candle_86except Nvidia always cuts down somewhere and releases a slower card, you can bet money Nvidia will be faster at the same price look at 9600GT vs 3870 or 8800GS vs 3850. Total stomp all over midrange for them. And the 9800GX2 is faster per dollar than the 3870x2, Nvidia is set to win agian, they can't loose, G80 was in the works since before G70 ever showed up, who knows how long GT200 has, we know it was GT100 and before that G90 so that gives you an idea. If you want to belive in false hopes be my guest but the glory days of AMD are over, Phenom was a total washout along with the R600 cores, so why should this be any diffrent.

Because both companies have always gone back and forth. R770 was in the works before R600 rolled out too. So it doesn't really matter how long NV has been working on R200.

And I'm not saying you're wrong, but do you have links showing the 9600GT is faster than 3870?

candle_86except Nvidia always cuts down somewhere and releases a slower card, you can bet money Nvidia will be faster at the same price look at 9600GT vs 3870 or 8800GS vs 3850. Total stomp all over midrange for them. And the 9800GX2 is faster per dollar than the 3870x2, Nvidia is set to win agian, they can't loose, G80 was in the works since before G70 ever showed up, who knows how long GT200 has, we know it was GT100 and before that G90 so that gives you an idea. If you want to belive in false hopes be my guest but the glory days of AMD are over, Phenom was a total washout along with the R600 cores, so why should this be any diffrent.

showin your colors as a yellow belley, prepare for the worst dude.