CaonimaSo much info from China.:roll:

I think you mean so much Bs from china.Nvidia didn't announce any new cards during their nvision.This is abviously fake.
If there had been any new cards,Nvidia whould have announced them during their N-vision.

The 4870 is like 17% in average faster than the 260gtx.Yet, it has 2.5x smaller die and half the memory interface.The 260gtx is no match for the 4870.... the 4870 competes against the 280gtx which is it's real competitor.
And btw, i think that these rumors do affect negatively Nvidia's sells.

This isn't a rumor, it's a confirmed product. It was first reported about a month ago and now two sites already have their reviews ready.

konstantineI think you mean so much Bs from china.Nvidia didn't announce any new cards during their nvision.This is abviously fake.
If there had been any new cards,Nvidia whould have announced them during their N-vision.

The 4870 is like 17% in average faster than the 260gtx.Yet, it has 2.5x smaller die and half the memory interface.The 260gtx is no match for the 4870.... the 4870 competes against the 280gtx which is it's real competitor.
And btw, i think that these rumors do affect negatively Nvidia's sells.

Seriously, Learn2Troll:shadedshu
The fact that it is still named the Geforce GTX 260 means nVidia consider it as an upgrade of their existing product, not a new one.

It can't hurt to sell GTX260's with more shader units, can't blame them for that...my GTX260 runs pretty cool, OC's very decently and I could care less if it beats or gets beatin by any HD48xx card. At the time when I purchased it, it was and still is the cooler running, better driver supported, fewer failing option...plenty of good reasons to have gotten it and glad that I did.

As-far-as the trolling and BS brought to this thread, what's the point, bring something real to the table or don't post...not hard is it? If it is, time to go outside away from da keyboard! :D

I am hoping prices go down further, I still may step-up to this if it's released before my 90 days is up.

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btarunrThis isn't a rumor, it's a confirmed product. It was first reported about a month ago and now two sites already have their reviews ready.

It was a rumor ,onth ago and it still a rumor till nvidia confirms it.
Why didn't nvidia announce it during the nvision???
They announced the sli on INTEL's x58 support.This is not a confirmed product.This is a rumor that yet need to be confirmed by Nvidia. or its partners.

konstantineIt was a rumor ,onth ago and it still a rumor till nvidia confirms it.
Why didn't nvidia announce it during the nvision???
They announced the sli on INTEL's x58 support.This is not a confirmed product.This is a rumor that yet need to be confirmed by Nvidia. or its partners.

Is there a hard and fast rule that they should? People have run benchmarks, pictured the GPU (which shows a new rev. number), what more would you ask for? If you don't trust Bear Eyes being relatively unknown, try HKEPC, one of the finest sites from the east.

konstantineIt was a rumor ,onth ago and it still a rumor till nvidia confirms it.
Why didn't nvidia announce it during the nvision???
They announced the sli on INTEL's x58 support.This is not a confirmed product.This is a rumor that yet need to be confirmed by Nvidia. or its partners.

I suppose you never heard of a silent release?

$ReaPeR$what are YOU talking about did you forget the 4870X2?and please dont tell me that it has two cores because it is just an excuse. nvidia is not ready yet to take ATI head to head in time they will have a better card but for now let us enjoy ATIs performance.:rockout:

The HD4870x2 has nothing to do with this. You based your biased statement on your assumption that nVidia was releasing this card because it can't produce a more powerful card. They don't need to produce a more powerful card, they already have one on the market. Them releasing a better GTX260 isn't a sign they they can't come up with anything better to compete with ATi, the fact is they don't need to. The fact is that ATi has still failed to produce a core that is better than nVidia's. They have had to resort to multiple GPU setups to even compete with nVidia, and they still have to resort to this.

newtekie1The HD4870x2 has nothing to do with this. You based your biased statement on your assumption that nVidia was releasing this card because it can't produce a more powerful card. They don't need to produce a more powerful card, they already have one on the market. Them releasing a better GTX260 isn't a sign they they can't come up with anything better to compete with ATi, the fact is they don't need to. The fact is that ATi has still failed to produce a core that is better than nVidia's. They have had to resort to multiple GPU setups to even compete with nVidia, and they still have to resort to this.

The multiple core layout is way better than using a HUGE single die, IMO.

Besides, none of that matters at all. The X2 is still a single card, that plugs into a single PCIe slot. That's all that matters.

What a pointless card

$ReaPeR$what are YOU talking about did you forget the 4870X2?and please dont tell me that it has two cores because it is just an excuse. nvidia is not ready yet to take ATI head to head in time they will have a better card but for now let us enjoy ATIs performance.:rockout:

lol? Not only will the new 260 out perform a 4870 but a 280 alerady does. the 4870X2 doesnt count at all because it was never mentioned your telling him he's wrong and then referancing a card hat was never brought up id say your a tad off subject either you get all angry when someone syas something bad about ATI or Everytime you see someone say something bad about ATI you have to bring up a card that spec wise should outperform it. I wouldnt go as far to say that Nvidia cant bring up a fight if i remember correctly ATI almost killed itself trying to compete with the 4xxx series and if the graphs serve me still failed to bring anything to the table that could beat the GTX2 series in anything other than a few high rez synth benches NOT including the X2. I mean im sorry im getting a little brash but im seriously tired of these kind of comments HE WASNT EVEN TALKING ABOUT THE X2 WTF? i mean ino i would have thought you ATI boys would have figured it out already let me sit you down and have a 5min crash lesson with you

ATI has GDDR5
Nvidia Gddr3

ATI 800 SP
Nvidia 240SP

ATI higher stock clocks
Nvidia lower stock clocks

AND YET no one has ever wondered why 240SP's beat or come close to the ATI's 800? like have you guys seriously ever tried to figure it out..or why your GDDR5 gives you no more improvement because the GDDR3 Nvidia uses still manages to out perform. Just take that in for a bit....nvm ill tell you now its called architecture

ATI super scalar (inferior)
Nvidia Scalar(superior)

and that is why my friends your cards or not hot shit i mean seriously 800SP higher clocks faster mem still lose to nvidia's technically inferior product? ya id say ATI has some REAL POWA!! going on...Next gen please or dont pretend

Wile EThe multiple core layout is way better than using a HUGE single die, IMO.

Besides, none of that matters at all. The X2 is still a single card, that plugs into a single PCIe slot. That's all that matters.

The multiple core layout has several disadvantage, the biggest one being that it isn't compatible with some things. And the GT200 core is huge for multiple reasons, the larger process size, the 512-bit memory interface, and the inclucion of a section of the core strictly for CUDA just to name a few.

He was talking about the technologies of the two companies. If you look at core vs. core, nVidia is clearly ahead.

newtekie1The multiple core layout has several disadvantage, the biggest one being that it isn't compatible with some things. And the GT200 core is huge for multiple reasons, the larger process size, the 512-bit memory interface, and the inclucion of a section of the core strictly for CUDA just to name a few.

He was talking about the technologies of the two companies. If you look at core vs. core, nVidia is clearly ahead.

Ahead???
It's not how many spu's you put it's how much computing power you put on the die.The 4870 has 1200 giga flops/cycle of processing power vs 933 for the 280gtx.
The 280gtx has 2.5x bigger die than th 4870 "576mm vs 234mm". Yet...

www.techreport.com/articles.x/15293/5
www.techreport.com/articles.x/15105/6
www.techreport.com/articles.x/15293/8
www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-4870,1964-8.html
http:
//www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-4870,1964-10.html

The 4870 still pwns the new 260 when AA is used, pretty pointless product if u ask me. And another confusing naming scheme, it's like the 8800GTS all over again!

The vast majority of people don't care if ATI has the fastest single card or nVidia with the fastest single core.

All we (most of us at least) care about is the best bang for buck price/performance card, ATI wins, for the manufacturers best profit margins for those cards, ATI also wins.

Smart efficiency vs brute force.

I agree this new revision with an identical model number is totally pointless with such minimal performance gains, would have been much better if they had just dropped the price of the GTX260.

here in greece the 4870 is still much lower in price so why should i care about anything above its price, and it performs very close to 260gtx . give me an answer that beats this reason please all you NV fans.

insiderThe vast majority of people don't care if ATI has the fastest single card or nVidia with the fastest single core.

All we (most of us at least) care about is the best bang for buck price/performance card, ATI wins, for the manufacturers best profit margins for those cards, ATI also wins.

Smart efficiency vs brute force.

I agree this new revision with an identical model number is totally pointless with such minimal performance gains, would have been much better if they had just dropped the price of the GTX260.

couldnt agree more:toast:

insiderThe vast majority of people don't care if ATI has the fastest single card or nVidia with the fastest single core.

All we (most of us at least) care about is the best bang for buck price/performance card, ATI wins, for the manufacturers best profit margins for those cards, ATI also wins.

Smart efficiency vs brute force.

Yes there are plenty of arguements, I agree that bang for the buck is definately important, but drivers, support, cooling, rate-of-failure are also important and should definately be considered by many. If you don't want to OC or don't care that a single slot is noisy or want to replace it, then by all means save some cash and get the cheapest model you can.

I am happy with the GTX's cooler, it's not very noisy, yet it's very effective at keeping mine cooled, whether OC'd, stock speeds, vmodded, etc. Fan speed is two clicks away and has been from the start. The drivers have performed very well with great stability in VISTA x64 of all OS's. I say go with what suits your needs and wants. There should be no ATI is better or NV is better here, just what should fit the shoes of what's needed by the individual. I've purchased from both sides for varying reasons, and for no reason did I second guess my GTX260 purchase in this current generation of released GPU's, both sides have great releases if you want to get realistic about it, both are more powerful than ever. What it comes down to beyond the pissing and moaning and techno talk is what flat out works and what doesn't for ya. Make your damn decision, enjoy it and get over it! Or keep waiting for that next, next, next best thing in 3-6 months! :D

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konstantineAhead???
It's not how many spu's you put it's how much computing power you put on the die.The 4870 has 1200 giga flops/cycle of processing power vs 933 for the 280gtx.
The 280gtx has 2.5x bigger die than th 4870 "576mm vs 234mm". Yet...

www.techreport.com/articles.x/15293/5
www.techreport.com/articles.x/15105/6
www.techreport.com/articles.x/15293/8
www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-4870,1964-8.html
http:
//www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-4870,1964-10.html

I have to agree with Newtekie here. GFlops don't mean shit either. It's a theoretical number based on how many operations the core COULD be capable of, it can only achieve that number under the optimal conditions, which doesn't ever happen in the real world. Fact is, a single G200 core is faster than a single RV770 in most real world situations.

I also love how you cherry pick the tests that only show the 4870 ahead. lol.

Should I be calling you robspierre6? Cause you sound just like him.

$ReaPeR$here in greece the 4870 is still much lower in price so why should i care about anything above its price, and it performs very close to 260gtx . give me an answer that beats this reason please all you NV fans.

you managed to switch subjects again we went from frastest card/technology advanced >price and performance your rite in that ATI is the best proce/perf of both companys but now i think your just switching the subject to be right about something honestly

KursahYes there are plenty of arguements, I agree that bang for the buck is definately important, but drivers, support, cooling, rate-of-failure are also important and should definately be considered by many. If you don't want to OC or don't care that a single slot is noisy or want to replace it, then by all means save some cash and get the cheapest model you can.

I am happy with the GTX's cooler, it's not very noisy, yet it's very effective at keeping mine cooled, whether OC'd, stock speeds, vmodded, etc. Fan speed is two clicks away and has been from the start. The drivers have performed very well with great stability in VISTA x64 of all OS's. I say go with what suits your needs and wants. There should be no ATI is better or NV is better here, just what should fit the shoes of what's needed by the individual. I've purchased from both sides for varying reasons, and for no reason did I second guess my GTX260 purchase in this current generation of released GPU's, both sides have great releases if you want to get realistic about it, both are more powerful than ever. What it comes down to beyond the pissing and moaning and techno talk is what flat out works and what doesn't for ya. Make your damn decision, enjoy it and get over it! Or keep waiting for that next, next, next best thing in 3-6 months! :D

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wish i had said that. the simple truth very well done :rockout:

Solaris17you managed to switch subjects again we went from frastest card/technology advanced >price and performance your rite in that ATI is the best proce/perf of both companys but now i think your just switching the subject to be right about something honestly

you have my answer above if you care to read it

Here is my issue. I read that someone used the term "Nv fans". Things like this should not be said as it may be insulting to them, and/or it can flame into arguments due to the fact that "fanboy-talk" is verablly aggressive. This detracts from the original pourpose to why the thread was posted. Stay on topic please.

ill try not to use that term again.sorry and thanks for the heads up

konstantineAhead???
It's not how many spu's you put it's how much computing power you put on the die.The 4870 has 1200 giga flops/cycle of processing power vs 933 for the 280gtx.
The 280gtx has 2.5x bigger die than th 4870 "576mm vs 234mm". Yet...

www.techreport.com/articles.x/15293/5
www.techreport.com/articles.x/15105/6
www.techreport.com/articles.x/15293/8
www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-4870,1964-8.html
http:
//www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-4870,1964-10.html

It isn't about GFLOPS, it is about graphical performance. GFLOPs don't matter in gaming cards, now if we are using the cards for other things, then we can lookg at GFLOPs. Die size doesn't matter either, it all comes down to performance. The 280GTX outperforms the HD4870, the 260GTX matches the HD4870, despite the bigger die and lower GFLOPs. You are making arguments about things, that in the end, don't matter. Performance and price is all that matters here.