Saturday, January 3rd 2009

Zii Not an Audio Processor, Something Much Bigger

Late December last year, Creative started a teaser website for the company's "new direction", the Zii. Back then it was courteous enough to give us a clue about what it was about and how big a deal it was, with its rather bold tag-line "Everything you know is about to change". Today Creative dispatched emails to all those who registered for updates on the website, revealing a lot more about Zii, and we can tell from what's given, that Creative has embarked upon something big, which makes its digital audio product lineup look irrelevant to the matter.

The Zii, according to Creative, is inspired from nature's building block of life, the stem cell. A stem cell is a basic cellular unit found in multi-cellular organisms that holds the potential to divide and differentiate into the many different kinds of cells an life-forms have. Here's a revelation: Creative claims to have devised a stem cell-like silicon that can "grow and multiply into different solutions and eco-systems", it can be seen as something parallel to the process in which life functions, only that it's going to be silicon doing it. Creative goes on to add "With an investment that spans over 10 years, over a billion dollars and over 10,000 man-years, the world is poised to experience a breakthrough that will better lives beyond our imagination." Given the state the world economy is in, Creative states that the technology is recession-friendly and will in-turn unlock countless business opportunities based around the technology and its expansion. Creative will be throwing a lot more things out of the box at the upcoming CES event. The Matrix era of artificial life is beginning not to sound too much of an imagination.
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37 Comments on Zii Not an Audio Processor, Something Much Bigger

#26
btarunr
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ShadowFoldSo its like the that terminator dude? The silver one or what ever, just molds itself to its original shape when it gets blown up. Because the op doesn't make sense. I'm not a science major tho so :laugh:
Well that's what can be inferred from what Creative sent in its email. "Silicon that grows" and "adapts" to different environments. Does your CPU need a helping hand? The GPU built using this silicon fab technology can "transform" portions of its silicon resources to morph into a co-processor (this part is my imagination)
lemonadesodaIt's either FPGA microchip type architecture, or larrabee type architecture, or indeed just one of those low powered cell processors like in the playstation.

Nothing new other than audio processing no longer requires descrete silicon and functionality can be modded via firmware update.

FAIL

Why fail? Because Creative will NEVER get their software properly debugged and they will NEVER increase features without the consumer paying TWICE. Just like that whole saga with the guy who made Audigy compatible on Vista. Remember?

All I can say is Creative are great at spin, and are great at shifting
products to "consumers" in retail channels. Good for them. But for me... there are better products with better service/support.
Not fail. The Only division in Creative that sucks is its software division. A silicon fabrication technology is not backed by any software, it's just a way of building stuff. You don't have a "driver" for Intel High-K or say SOI.
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#27
Mussels
Freshwater Moderator
we should hold a small betting pool.

I bet two E-cookies that when zii is revelaed, BTA cries over how lame it is compared to his imagination.
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#28
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
Yes. Although I've never really been nut-kicked hard enough by Creative, an alarming number of people have. So I will pee at Creative, cancel my X-Fi Titanium Champion for a Xonar Essence.
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#29
lemonadesoda
btarunrNot fail. The Only division in Creative that sucks is its software division. A silicon fabrication technology is not backed by any software, it's just a way of building stuff. You don't have a "driver" for Intel High-K or say SOI.
No, FAIL.

Because if the are getting rid of drivers (I dont belive that) then they still need the firmware. "Adaptive" is essentially equivalent to General Purpose Shaders. Completely useless without firmware/drivers to control/direct them.

If the audio fuctions arent built in, but based on kernel microcode, then we will now see their poor driver quality WITHIN the firmware. FAIL. QED.

I thought that was pretty obvious.
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#30
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
lemonadesodaNo, FAIL.

Because if the are getting rid of drivers (I dont belive that) then they still need the firmware. "Adaptive" is essentially equivalent to General Purpose Shaders. Completely useless without firmware/drivers to control/direct them.

If the audio fuctions arent built in, but based on kernel microcode, then we will now see their poor driver quality WITHIN the firmware. FAIL. QED.

I thought that was pretty obvious.
No, still no fail (unless proven)

It's a silicon technology Creative wishes to "give" (license, sell, patent) to other companies. Programmable shaders was conceptualised by Microsoft, Silicon Graphics, et al, while its implimentation part was care of companies such as AMD(ATI), NVIDIA, etc. You wouldn't blame Microsoft (and the people who conceptualised programmable shaders, if a company who holds the rights to build on the technology fails to implement it properly. Creative is planning to play the concept-mongers, a theory which gains ground with this statement from its email:
Even in the midst of these turbulent times, you will discover incredible recession-friendly business opportunities that enable you to thrive and prosper.
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#31
Frederik S
btarunrYes. Although I've never really been nut-kicked hard enough by Creative, an alarming number of people have. So I will pee at Creative, cancel my X-Fi Titanium Champion for a Xonar Essence.
Haha! that qoute made my day! Creative on the receiving side of this :nutkick:

That would actually be the smarter choice because it sounds better. Just look at the Essence STX, Nichigon quality caps, shielded out put stage, a sweet DAC, and high performance op-amps what more does a modern man need in a sound card :)

Basically if you can live without, X-Fi, Creative drivers, EAX generation 99321321, and other insanely retard rebranded features such as the crystalizer which is only a stupid name for loudness (U-shaped EQ, because that simply cannot be recreated on any other sound card, hah!).
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#32
Haytch
Im looking forward to this technology.
Who knows, maybe this will evolve to play host to HP's A.I project.
Lets not forget that Moore lawed himself.
Infra-red @ your head, like your name was Sarah Conner.
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#33
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
Frederik Swhat more does a modern man need in a sound card :)
A voice of its own, preferably female.
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#34
brian.ca
The thing for me is... this stemcell computing, changing everything you know stuff sounds like it has to be either pure marketing hype of the worst kind or something truely huge. Now the things I have to wonder about are;

a) Is something that huge really likely to come from a company likeCreative vs. rather than one like Intel, Microsoft, IBM etc.
b) What's the likelyhood of something so big being kept so tightly under wraps all this time (as it should obviously have taken a a while to develop)
c) If it's on the grander side of things then it should be like btarunr said, something to license or sell to other companies... so why keep it under such tight wraps to announce it at the consumer electronic show? I mean, I've never been to one and I'm sure that there is a hell of a lot of pure tech stuff that's more useful to companies than consumers but if this truely relates back to how stemcells work wouldn't that make it a fairly significant scientific/enegineering breakthrough? So would the CES really be the most appropriate place to announce/showcase it?
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#35
lemonadesoda
btarunrNo, still no fail (unless proven)
Oh contraire! We talking Creative here. FAIL until disproven. Sounds (with no BSOD, no crackles, no skips, no sync or latency problems) or it aint true.
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#36
Sasqui
btarunrNo, it's silicon that can reproduce, and grow in a "nurtient medium", just like how cells do.
And we're supposed to teach it? :rolleyes: Hmmm... could be the beginning of the Terminator series, or the end however you look at it, LOL.
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#37
Mussels
Freshwater Moderator
the zii-1000 is already the governor of california. or was that the T-1000? i cant remember
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