Monday, August 24th 2009
Radeon HD 5870 Aggressively Priced: Report
According to a fresh report by Donanim Haber, AMD's next performance graphics accelerator, the Radeon HD 5870, codenamed "Cypress" is expected to be aggressively priced, at US $299. At that price, it intends to be highly competitive against GeForce GTX 285 from NVIDIA. The secret-sauce behind the price could be the 40 nm fab process on which the GPU is being built, which allows upping transistor counts while maintaining significantly smaller die-sizes compared to 55 nm.
There is a great deal of uncertainty surrounding the specifications of the GPU, including what level of performance with existing application could it end up offering. Some sources, such as ChipHell, which are one of the first to leak pictures of components related to various Evergreen family products claim the Cypress GPU to have an almost 100% increase in stream processor counts compared to RV770, while others remain conservative expecting it to be around 50%. With this kind of a pricing, Cypress could trigger market-wide changes in GPU pricing, if it ends up with a good price/performance ratio at $299.
Cypress is expected to be launched on 22 September, close to two weeks after the company unveils the Evergreen family of DirectX 11 compliant GPUs on September 10. Market availability is expected in October. In related news from the same report, the enthusiast-grade accelerator that uses two of these GPUs, codenamed "Hemlock", is expected to be out in November.
There is a great deal of uncertainty surrounding the specifications of the GPU, including what level of performance with existing application could it end up offering. Some sources, such as ChipHell, which are one of the first to leak pictures of components related to various Evergreen family products claim the Cypress GPU to have an almost 100% increase in stream processor counts compared to RV770, while others remain conservative expecting it to be around 50%. With this kind of a pricing, Cypress could trigger market-wide changes in GPU pricing, if it ends up with a good price/performance ratio at $299.
Cypress is expected to be launched on 22 September, close to two weeks after the company unveils the Evergreen family of DirectX 11 compliant GPUs on September 10. Market availability is expected in October. In related news from the same report, the enthusiast-grade accelerator that uses two of these GPUs, codenamed "Hemlock", is expected to be out in November.
197 Comments on Radeon HD 5870 Aggressively Priced: Report
Lately I've seen the efficiency game they played came back to bite them in their behinds with power consumption numbers so high they weren't even funny. So I think TDP was a thorn in their necks when designing this thing.
I am expecting close to double the performance of the current single GPU flagship models, and at least 2 digit percent faster then the GTX295... and I want it to be more efficient then the current single PCB GTX295, and to have better thermals.
Don't get me wrong, they promised me that "I won't believe my eyes"... and I don't want to be disappointed. But the more information is being released the more I think this will only be an incremental upgrade and they will use their marketing machinery to throw DX11 and that thing called "tesselation" in my face like it really matters when you play next-gen games at 20fps...
Talk about scalable architecture. This flips everything upside down. You can have a main GPU and scale the architecture whit as many SPs as you can fit on a PCB. Jusging from the pics each chip has 4 SP nests for a total of 4x80=320SPs and the HD5870 will end up at a net of 1600. Dang but it sure looks like they're wasting alot of transistors this way. This seems to be a concept but dang it sure looks good
5850 will be around $199 just like 4850 and 3850 before it
compared to nvidia cards it will be a uber great price vs performance ratio
And why did you cropped the "01/03/2006" part?
First of all, there's no interconnect in existence with bandwidth high enough and/or latency low enough that would allow such a modular design, unless internal Crossfire was used and that would totally destroy any efficiency. Secondly, the PCB would be monsterously complex, large and expensive to make. Just to point out a few astronomically large obstacles.Except for the fact a chip of a given size made on 40nm can have 89% more transistors compared to same size chip on 55nm. ASICs are 2-dimensional, not 1-dimensional.
What they mean is that it will be their card closest in price to the GTX285.
They did the same with the 4800s. They said they were to compete with G92 GPUs yet they were much faster, they only reason they were deemed G92 competition was due to their pricings.
They know better than to sell their latest cards at expensive prices. It's nVidia that doesn't understand the process of lowering the price and selling bucketloads.
4800s outsold GT200 based cards by a huge amount for this very reason, even though they're similar in performance.
ATi's high end was priced the same as nVidia's middle end, yet offered nVidia highend performance. Of course they're going to sell far more.
Add on to that the low cost of manufacture and there's no reason for them to 'overprice' their cards the way nVidia do.
They know it's not about 'Let's put the highest price possible on these cards'. They will definitely sell more and make far more money if more people buy them at a lower price.
It's so simple, I don't get why people assume they're gonna charge crazy prices for their cards. ATi has ended the day of silly priced cards, nVidia have to go cheaper to compete and this is where ATi are destroying nVidia.
'We should be so lucky' eh?
Looks like we've been lucky two times already if you remember.
Read my post again, especially the part where I reminded you that the 3850, 3870, 4850 and 4870 were all their US price plus VAT.
So yes that is $199, $299, $199 and $299 again. Why do you insist on stating otherwise when the last two gens of ATi's cards have been priced as such? You can do all the betting you want, but there's nothing to suggest this price of £230+ that you've made up.
As long as they're $199 and $299 then they're going to be the same for the UK +VAT.
So currently that's about £180+VAT for a 5870. Instead of making things up, keep to that pricing scheme as it's been the same for over a year.
What's £305 + VAT @ 15%? It surely can't be about £350 can it? I think you'll find it is. A £9 discrepancy at £350 is hardly 'rip off' bearing in mind there are slight variations in price between stores anyway.
And i am reading your posts,i just think you're been a bit too optimistic.
This gen, the 5870 will be faster than the 4870x2.
Last gen, the 4870 came in at 300$ US
There may be a slightly higher intro price, due to lack of competition, but not much greater, plus the sellers bump included