Sunday, October 2nd 2011
Sandy Bridge-E VT-d Broken In C1 Stepping, Fixed In C2 Stepping, Shortly After Launch
PC enthusiast customers and companies running corporate datacentres looking to buy into the new Sandy Bridge-E platform may want to wait a little while before handing over their hard-earned money to Intel. The initial batch of C1 revision Sandy Bridge-E processors have a bug - "errata" in Intel terminology - in them with VT-d, which means that hardware accelerated virtualization doesn't work properly with them (software only mode is unaffected). The feature when working properly, allows all hardware acceleration to work on the hosted operating system (virtual machine). This would allow things such as hard drive controllers to work, plus applications such as high-powered 3D games, typically First Person Shooters, to run at nearly full speed and the full Windows Aero desktop to be displayed on the hosted OS, as the hardware features of the graphics card can be used. Therefore, working VT-d is a critical feature for these kinds of applications.Production of the C1 stepping should have already started, or is about to start. However, the C2 stepping isn't expected until next year, as the qualification process isn't expected to be complete until the end of this year.
Intel will only certify the Waimea Bay platform for PCI Express 2.0 at launch, since there aren't enough third party cards to test with. Some PCI Express 3.0 devices are still likely to work, but Intel doesn't guarantee compatibility. This doesn't bode well for the current 6-series motherboard with gen 3 switches actually working properly once cards and especially, Ivy Bridge processors arrive. Waiting for full qualification before purchasing is therefore advised, or an expensive motherboard replacement may be required in the not too distant future.
There is some good news however. For those wanting to continue using Windows XP, the Waimea Bay platform will be compatible with both 32-bit and 64-bit versions of the operating system. However, Intel won't be providing Rapid Storage drivers for 32-bit XP, which means that the basic Windows drivers will be handling drive access, which may not be optimal. Unsurprisingly, the upcoming Waimea Bay platform will also be supporting the upcoming Windows 8, when released.
It's not so good on the chipset front, either. Intel has increased the price of the X79 chipset by 20% compared to the X58 chipset, putting the X79 chipset somewhere in the region of $70. This is the list price, so the discounted or "street" price should be a lot lower. However, we are looking at a chipset that offers no new features over X58 and it's the same size as the 6-series chipsets - it should be cheaper to manufacture than the X58 chipset which only consists of the I/O Hub and the ICH10R. We wish AMD well with their new processors and chipsets, as competition can only be a good thing here and is clearly needed.
It's one thing for "errata" to be discovered some time after a product has been released and then to manufacture a revised processor, but it doesn't seem right for Intel to release processors with a known major feature fault like this, especially as most buyers are unlikely to know about it and Intel is even less likely to shout about it. Therefore, buyers would be wise to wait for the bug-fixed C2 version before upgrading, unless they are absolutely sure they won't need this virtualization feature. After all, are Intel going to offer a free replacement to the fixed version for customers of the initial C1 versions? Only this gesture can make releasing such an obviously flawed product right. Intel have offered such a free replacement recently with the faulty SATA controller, so there's hope yet they'll do the right thing. And just as importantly, it's worth keeping a close watch on what significant errata C2 might harbour, before upgrading.
Source:
vr-zone.com
Intel will only certify the Waimea Bay platform for PCI Express 2.0 at launch, since there aren't enough third party cards to test with. Some PCI Express 3.0 devices are still likely to work, but Intel doesn't guarantee compatibility. This doesn't bode well for the current 6-series motherboard with gen 3 switches actually working properly once cards and especially, Ivy Bridge processors arrive. Waiting for full qualification before purchasing is therefore advised, or an expensive motherboard replacement may be required in the not too distant future.
There is some good news however. For those wanting to continue using Windows XP, the Waimea Bay platform will be compatible with both 32-bit and 64-bit versions of the operating system. However, Intel won't be providing Rapid Storage drivers for 32-bit XP, which means that the basic Windows drivers will be handling drive access, which may not be optimal. Unsurprisingly, the upcoming Waimea Bay platform will also be supporting the upcoming Windows 8, when released.
It's not so good on the chipset front, either. Intel has increased the price of the X79 chipset by 20% compared to the X58 chipset, putting the X79 chipset somewhere in the region of $70. This is the list price, so the discounted or "street" price should be a lot lower. However, we are looking at a chipset that offers no new features over X58 and it's the same size as the 6-series chipsets - it should be cheaper to manufacture than the X58 chipset which only consists of the I/O Hub and the ICH10R. We wish AMD well with their new processors and chipsets, as competition can only be a good thing here and is clearly needed.
It's one thing for "errata" to be discovered some time after a product has been released and then to manufacture a revised processor, but it doesn't seem right for Intel to release processors with a known major feature fault like this, especially as most buyers are unlikely to know about it and Intel is even less likely to shout about it. Therefore, buyers would be wise to wait for the bug-fixed C2 version before upgrading, unless they are absolutely sure they won't need this virtualization feature. After all, are Intel going to offer a free replacement to the fixed version for customers of the initial C1 versions? Only this gesture can make releasing such an obviously flawed product right. Intel have offered such a free replacement recently with the faulty SATA controller, so there's hope yet they'll do the right thing. And just as importantly, it's worth keeping a close watch on what significant errata C2 might harbour, before upgrading.
49 Comments on Sandy Bridge-E VT-d Broken In C1 Stepping, Fixed In C2 Stepping, Shortly After Launch
2820QM
2600
Some i7s have vt-d and even mobile models do. So no Xeons here. Playing games on a virtual machine depends from vt-d so there was nothing wrong in the OP.
The desktop processors that do support VT-d, require a special chipset, braded as "Q", Q67 for example, for the 2600, with compatible BIOS, and that is a workstation chipset meant for enterprise. Even there you can't be sure you'll have full VT-d support, they will only give you AMT support (that requires some VT-d features).
Do not confuse VT-d with VT-x.
Also for those thinking that buying a Bulldozer is the answer, AMD-Vi is not supported on the desktop variants, you'll need to buy an "Opteron" part. Also, don't confuse AMD-V with AMD-Vi (for IOMMU). Again, you'll need a server motherboard, your desktop motherboard won't support AMD-Vi.
Its good to know of course. And it’s still nice to have it, although u don’t actually use it (for e-dicks sake).
And afaik virtual box does not support VT-d, yet:
www.virtualbox.org/ticket/5252
so only those who have VMWare licenses can utilize it.
List of processors with VT-d.
The C1 stepping of SB-E not having VT-d will only affect users who need hardware virtualization...
Although I'm sure it will also reduce the sales of SB-E to home users who have no use for VT-d, just because of the appearance of a problem (for their usage of the chip).
ark.intel.com/compare/52215,52214,52213
Most notable:
-S has a lower base clock (2.8 GHz vs 3.4 GHz) and as a consequences, a 65w TDP instead of 95w.
-2600 has Embedded Options Available (longer support lifecycle)
-K has HD 3000 while S and 2600 have HD 2000
-K does not have vPro, VT-d, nor Trusted Execution Technology support. Curse them for not K.I.S.S.ing. :banghead:
Save power: 2600S
Otherwise: 2600
Core i7 is now only 'high end' when associated with Sandy Bridge Extreme.
Core i7 2xxx are now only 'mid-range performance cpus'
Welcome to the present.
Core i5 = mainstream
Core i3/Pentium/Celeron = budget
LGA 1366/2011 = enthusiast/workstation/entry-level server (high premium on motherboards largely due to the chipset)
LGA/BGA 1156/1155 = desktop/laptop
On the other side, AMD-Vi seems interesting (hey, having direct access to each hardware part sounds really cool) But in my case I only know that each AMD processors in existance supports AMD-V and its the only thing I need for running my Virtual Box at decent speed. And the difference is noticeable with AMD-V turned off.
Unlike intel and its VT, all amd processors support AMD-V. Except perhaps, zacate and llano. No wait, llano supports it. Zacate too!
But don't let that stop anyone from spewing crap (about either side). :banghead: