Saturday, December 17th 2011

The Witcher 2 Contains Secret Sauce To 'Catch 100% Of Pirates'

Yes, really - 100% of those pesky "pirates" will be brought to book! The game's studio, CD Projekt RED (CDP Red) isn't letting on how it's doing so, either, claiming it's a "trade secret" and not giving out the name of the external company that's implementing the anti-piracy technology, claiming that to do so would damage their business. Seriously. The problem with identifying a dodgy copy of something is that the main info they have to track them down, are the IP addresses of the suspect. This has been shown many times over now, not to be a reliable tracker of who's doing what. At the most, it will pinpoint the account holder that it relates to, in some cases. However, this outfit reckons they've nailed this dealbreaking problem once and for all - and without any evidence on how they go about it. Snake oil, perhaps? The Polish company have therefore been sending out legal notices to thousands of suspects in Germany, chosen because this country has some of the strictest copyright laws in Europe. Presumably, they must be leaning on the ISPs to hand over customers' physical street addresses, although this isn't made clear, but read on for how this might be accomplished. In an email to PC Gamer, CDP Red VP Michael Nowakowski made the following statement:
We're addressing only 100% confirmed piracy causes that are 100% possible to prove. We are not worried about tracking the wrong people. As this is the trade secret of the company working on this, I cannot share it. However, we investigated the subject before we decided on this move, and we aware of some past complications (the famous Davenport case). The method used here is targeting only 100% confirmed piracy cases. No innocent person was targeted with the letter so far. At least we have not received any information as of now which would indicate something like that.
Notice how the Davenport case is "famous" rather than "infamous" - they actually went down in flames over their extortion tactics. Also notice how they covered themselves by saying "At least we have not received any information as of now which would indicate something like that." So, they could be targeting the innocent after all, they just haven't heard about it. Nice.

So, there appears to be two options to how this tracking technology works:

1 There is no technology and this is just smoke and mirrors (with a dash of snake oil) designed to extort marks into coughing up money to make CD Projekt go away

2 They really do have some "tracking technology" in their games. Now, what could this be? Well, as they're not telling us, it's only right and proper to be highly suspicious of what it actually does and to put it in the same class as common criminal malware. This is because the only logical way that they can track the individual in any semi-reliable manner, is to lift personal information off their computer. Let's speculate on how this could be achieved. It would include stuff such as email logins, bank logins, Facebook logins, network traffic sniffing to read the contents of highly personal and confidential messages and any other login where personal information such as a name and address might be kept. You name it, they might be doing it. This kind of activity is of course highly illegal everywhere, so no wonder they'd want to keep quiet about it. It makes traditional draconian DRM schemes such as SecuROM and the like seem like a walk in the park by comparison, doesn't it?

So, do you really want to install software that does some or all of this on your computer, just to play a lousy video game? Obviously, that's a resounding NO!

Regardless of how they track down suspects, this exercise is extortion with a legal veneer, pure and simple. This is because there haven't been any independent studies showing that "piracy" reduces profits and makes companies go to the wall - they have all been big media industry sponsored. However, there are several independent studies that show it does nothing, or actually enhances sales by indirect means, such as reputation spread by word of mouth. Of course, the powerful media cartels based in America, are able to buy government reps all over the world to make them pass corrupt laws as if all this "piracy" really was hurting them - three strikes, PROTECT IP & SOPA are just three examples. Consider the blockbusting sales here and here of Modern Warfare 3 recently. This will be the most "pirated" game of all, yet it still outsold all of Hollywood put together...

There is of course, one sure fire and legal way to beat a company that tries such dirty tricks: the boycott. Don't buy their products and don't pirate them, then laugh as you watch them go under (all the while still blaming alleged "piracy", of course). I personally wholeheartedly recommend this course of action. Once again www.techdirt.com is recommended as the site to go to, as they expose abuses like this daily.
Sources: TG Daily, PC Gamer
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345 Comments on The Witcher 2 Contains Secret Sauce To 'Catch 100% Of Pirates'

#301
badtaylorx
qubitI'm not "staunchly defending piracy". :rolleyes: I'm against underhand methods to try and track people down for it, as I've explained very clearly in the article and in posts in this thread. Or put another way, just because someone may or may not be committing an illegal act against you, doesn't give you the right to engage in illegal acts yourself to get to them. That's basic law and order.

btw, no I don't see this whole "piracy" issue as such a big problem, as I've said. That doesn't change anything, either. ;)

Finally, an accusation can made any way one likes and yours was a semi-veiled and not very subtle one, so don't BS me that you weren't.
hmmm...now is that hypocritical sarcasm or sarcastic hypocrisy??? :confused: :laugh:
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#302
happita
At least their not dumb enough to let people KNOW PUBLICLY how they will identify pirates. That is the only way it won't get leaked and they actually have a chance of persecuting these thieves :P
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#303
Blacklash
digibuccI don't "support" piracy. i don't know who on here actually does, save maybe for newt - and he's been silent here. replace every instance of "are a pirate" with "support piracy" (in my last post) and maybe it'll be clearer.

Also - you are not (i don't think) currently in a discussion ABOUT homosexuality. no one is calling you gay in order to personally disparage you in an attempt to evade the fact that they have nothing to add, or can't logically respond to an argument. it's bad enough when people assume knowledge and use insults out of ignorance - when it's a deliberate attempt to derail and defame... yeah that's a little annoying
Damn, I was not suggesting anyone on this forum is calling me gay.

I was illustrating by hypothetical example how some people may make flawed assumptions about others based on the positions they choose to take.

Yes, it's unfair and annoying that some people make flawed assumptions about others based on the positions they choose to take and if you're surprised by it you've a poor understanding of human nature.

Right or wrong, that's the way it is.

I've certainly never suggested everyone who is upset with CD Projekt RED on this issue is a pirate or supports pirating.

If you truly believe in something, defend it and stop worrying about what other people may think of you.

Peace and Merry Christmas :)
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#304
EnergyFX
Funny, I legally purchase all my games... and this story somehow doesn't ruffle my feathers.

One can't help but deduce that all you ruffled feathers must be worried about something. :wtf:

Whatever concern I have over their methods of information gathering is entirely overshadowed by my hopes that they catch and convict (or sue) as many pirates as absolutely possible. I hope every game, movie, song, software eventually has this "secret sauce" in its coding. Stop fucking stealing!
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#305
digibucc
you totally confused my reply. you asked why i would get upset at being called a pirate if at the same time i am defending piracy. my entire post was an answer to that question. the part you quoted included.
BlacklashDamn, I was not suggesting anyone on this forum is calling me gay.
I was illustrating by hypothetical example how some people may make flawed assumptions about others based on the positions they choose to take.
i recognize that, i was pointing out how your example was not accurate by extending that example. this is a different situation than you had described.
BlacklashYes, it's unfair and annoying that some people make flawed assumptions about others based on the positions they choose to take and if you're surprised by it you've a poor understanding of human nature.

Right or wrong, that's the way it is.
it doesn't need to surprise you to annoy you. and it's not like i really made a big deal out of it, the biggest effect was your response to it! you asked why i got defensive, i explained. i don't need a life lesson... thank you though :)
BlacklashI've certainly never suggested everyone who is upset with CD Projekt RED on this issue is a pirate or supports pirating.

If you truly believe in something, defend it and stop worrying about what other people may think of you.
it's not about what people think, it's about how they act. again, my point is this was a discussion, if all you can add to it are insults you have no place. that wasn't directed AT you, it was simply the answer to the question you asked.
BlacklashPeace and Merry Christmas :)
happy holidays :)
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#306
EnergyFX
garyinhereNot unless you've borrowed said movie from a friend. That's what I used to do / still do / and will keep doing because it is legal. Whether it's a physical or digital copy. :toast:
Not necessarialy... perhaps you only bought permission. Perhaps you "own" nothing, you are simply authorized to use. If the company deems this "authorization" non-transferable then those are the rules you agree to by accepting the EULA.

Not saying that is or isn't the case here, but I think a lot of people need to shift their thinking from "owning" something to simply having "permission" to use it (provided that is what you agreed to in the EULA).

For example, I buy a car. I sell you "permission" to use my car for $1000. The car is still mine, I own it... but now you have permission to use it. No where does than mean your uncle has permission to use the car, or your friends, or your kids, or anyone. I sold YOU permission and if that is what you and I agreed to (EULA) then that is how I expect it to be.
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#307
digibucc
right but EULAs can be challenged. if it really were a case of simply letting your uncle or friend borrow and play the game, and no one other than you 2 were involved, and you didn't use it at all while they had it - i doubt any judge will sentence against you.

just because they put it in their EULA's doesn't make it law. yes you were supposed to read it but unreasonable is unreasonable, and even if you are "in the wrong" the sentence would be nil. it's just that's never the case, and actual piracy is almost always involved.
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#308
Mussels
Freshwater Moderator
EnergyFXFunny, I legally purchase all my games... and this story somehow doesn't ruffle my feathers.

One can't help but deduce that all you ruffled feathers must be worried about something. :wtf:

Whatever concern I have over their methods of information gathering is entirely overshadowed by my hopes that they catch and convict (or sue) as many pirates as absolutely possible. I hope every game, movie, song, software eventually has this "secret sauce" in its coding. Stop fucking stealing!
i've lived in a house with 8 people, and the net was under my name.

so if they went to hunt down that one pirate, guess who got the blame?


this whole argument of "everyone who disagrees is a pirate" is just stupid. grow up and get off your moral high horse.
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#309
qubit
Overclocked quantum bit
Musselsthis whole argument of "everyone who disagrees is a pirate" is just stupid. grow up and get off your moral high horse.
Yup, agree with your whole post and I hate that dumb accusation too.

It's the same fallacy as that old chestnut about privacy where if you're innocent you've got nothing to hide. That's wrong in a good 10 different ways at least.
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#310
FordGT90Concept
"I go fast!1!11!1!"
happitaAt least their not dumb enough to let people KNOW PUBLICLY how they will identify pirates. That is the only way it won't get leaked and they actually have a chance of persecuting these thieves :P
Uh, if they don't let you know, it could be considered espionage which is illegal in most nations without a search warrant. That fact alone means that most of these cases that end up in court will be thrown out because the evidence presented was obtained through illegal means. They know that as well as the next lawyer so their objective is quite clearly extortion. Send menacing letters claiming to have proof you violated copyright and demand a fine with the threat of trial if you fail to pay up. In short, CD Projekt has stooped to the same level as the MPAA and RIAA--they're all thugs looking to make a quick buck off of those that can't afford a lawyer.
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#311
qubit
Overclocked quantum bit
FordGT90ConceptUh, if they don't let you know, it could be considered espionage which is illegal in most nations without a search warrant. That fact alone means that most of these cases that end up in court will be thrown out because the evidence presented was obtained through illegal means. They know that as well as the next lawyer so their objective is quite clearly extortion. Send menacing letters claiming to have proof you violated copyright and demand a fine with the threat of trial if you fail to pay up. In short, CD Projekt has stooped to the same level as the MPAA and RIAA--they're all thugs looking to make a quick buck off of those that can't afford a lawyer.
Exactly. It's nothing but an illegal extortion racket. So beautifully put. :rockout:
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#312
Wile E
Power User
qubitExactly. It's nothing but an illegal extortion racket. So beautifully put. :rockout:
While I agree with some of his points, if they do have real proof of illegal activity (I somehow doubt that part tho), and they are not asking for exorbitant amounts, it's still not extortion. An offer to settle out of court is not extortion. If you are innocent you take it to court and counter sue for costs.
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#313
qubit
Overclocked quantum bit
Wile EWhile I agree with some of his points, if they do have real proof of illegal activity (I somehow doubt that part tho), and they are not asking for exorbitant amounts, it's still not extortion. An offer to settle out of court is not extortion. If you are innocent you take it to court and counter sue for costs.
Well, I respectfully disagree, for the various reasons I explained in the article and previous posts on here. :toast:
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#314
Wile E
Power User
So, you would prefer them to jump straight to full blown lawsuit?
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#315
qubit
Overclocked quantum bit
Wile ESo, you would prefer them to jump straight to full blown lawsuit?
What gives you that idea? I've said from the start that they shouldn't be going after people at all. I've explained my viewpoint in detail in the news article and forum posts, so I'm not gonna be drawn into it here.
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#316
Wile E
Power User
Oh, so they should just let people download the game as much as they want?

Sorry, but that's asinine. If you didn't obtain it legitimately, you have no right to have it, period. There is no justification for piracy, period. It is not a gray area at all. Totally black and white.

Now, the gray area comes in the ways piracy are combated. Root kits and other such tactics that compromise a computer's security are a no-no. But if they did come up with a reliable way to catch people without resorting to that, or things like it, then they have every right to go after the people that obtained the game illegally.
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#317
qubit
Overclocked quantum bit
I did say I wasn't gonna be drawn into it... ;)
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#318
Wile E
Power User
Regardless, I just don't see the validity of your argument at all.
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#319
ViperXTR
*pops some corn*
butter? sour cream and onion? chees? hmm...
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#322
Frick
Fishfaced Nincompoop
qubitBrilliant. :toast: I've not had a chance to read it (hard at work on the best tech of 2011 article) but this sounds like it's worthy of a follow up article. :D
Naaah, it's the same stuff as you did with no actual information about anything, only speculation.
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#323
qubit
Overclocked quantum bit
FrickNaaah, it's the same stuff as you did with no actual information about anything, only speculation.
Frick talks rubbish again. ;)
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#324
Frick
Fishfaced Nincompoop
qubitFrick talks rubbish again. ;)
Well it is ungrounded. They say they want money from people that have not downloaded the game and have no single source to back it up other than it usually happens in other cases.
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#325
Athlonite
notice sofar it's only Germany that's been hit with these letters I don't think they could get away with it in any other country without disclosing how it's being done

whether it be DRM or IP traking or some spybot/trojen in the game itself
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