Sony said we want these specs what will it cost, AMD was cheaper.

Well the 360 was originally designed with a X800 gpu but was upgraded to X1800 later.So it could have been alot worst.If MS would have kept that setup the Xbox3 would have been here 4+ years ago.

After thinking about it for a day it does strike me as odd that all of the big 3 consoles will be running a AMD gpu and nVidia didnt fight to get at least one of them.
I think there is somethng else going on we cant see or dont know.

Funny how much winning about Ati graphics, last I heard RRoD had much more to do with the CPu, Last I heard the crappy console graphics we're less crappy on the Xbox 360, Don't get me wrong, I couldn't care less. I haven't bought a console since the Ps2, and won't be switching any time soon but, I'm amazed how much miss information is going on in this thread and how fanboy's jumpout of nowhere:toast:

OneCoolWell the 360 was originally designed with a X800 gpu but was upgraded to X1800 later.So it could have been alot worst.If MS would have kept that setup the Xbox3 would have been here 4+ years ago.

After thinking about it for a day it does strike me as odd that all of the big 3 consoles will be running a AMD gpu and nVidia didnt fight to get at least one of them.
I think there is somethng else going on we cant see or dont know.

Today I am sure NVIDIA resolved its console GPU issues, but in the past, they F'ed up Big Time. Dam NVIDIA based consoles, there GPU's were running HOT and would crash the system. XBOX 1 had this problem, and facts don't, lie. :cool:

Super XPToday I am sure NVIDIA resolved its console GPU issues, but in the past, they F'ed up Big Time. Dam NVIDIA based consoles, there GPU's were running HOT and would crash the system. XBOX 1 had this problem, and facts don't, lie. :cool:

And the Xbox 360 had problems with overheating--using an AMD GPU. The problem is clearly Microsoft's inability to correctly design hardware. Stop playing loose and hard with the facts :P

xenocideAnd the Xbox 360 had problems with overheating--using an AMD GPU. The problem is clearly Microsoft's inability to correctly design hardware. Stop playing loose and hard with the facts :P

Both consoles we're overheating, again it had more to do with the cpu, and the Xbox 360 had a lager incidence and higher failure rates when introduced, current selection of AMD has lot more to do with performance/watt/heat ratio and price, It's not that nvidia sucks or AMD is better, it's just that AMD is a better pick for console needs, again complaining that AMD gpu's will make consoles suck is a lie, they'll suck cause they're consoles:laugh: and five to seven years behind current PC hardware.

enaherBoth consoles we're overheating, again it had more to do with the cpu, and the Xbox 360 had a lager incidence and higher failure rates when introduced, current selection of AMD has lot more to do with performance/watt/heat ratio and price, It's not that nvidia sucks or AMD is better, it's just that AMD is a better pick for console needs, again complaining that AMD gpu's will make consoles suck is a lie, they'll suck cause they're consoles:laugh: and five to seven years behind current PC hardware.

The Xbox 360 had a ton of different hardware failures--DVD Drives dying, CPU and GPU overheating (on early models), sloppy soldering, poor airflow, and numerous others. Like I said, the GPU was the least of the concerns. I was mostly addressing that someone tried to pin overheating on Nvidia GPU's, when it is more a problem with Consoles and poor design. If Nvidia designs the best and fastest design, and Microsoft uses Elmers Glue and Lead to cool it, they can't exactly be blamed can they?

xenocideThe Xbox 360 had a ton of different hardware failures--DVD Drives dying, CPU and GPU overheating (on early models), sloppy soldering, poor airflow, and numerous others. Like I said, the GPU was the least of the concerns. I was mostly addressing that someone tried to pin overheating on Nvidia GPU's, when it is more a problem with Consoles and poor design. If Nvidia designs the best and fastest design, and Microsoft uses Elmers Glue and Lead to cool it, they can't exactly be blamed can they?

half these consoles are sat on a soddin carpet with a dog throwing its fur at it every ten mins with absolutley no PM maintenance bar a lid wipe now and again

yeh it was me, i said it!

an engineer says,! what!:shadedshu:banghead:

they both have had issues but on the whole who was ever going to own up to their dog bumming their console to death and anywayssss

xenocideIn the realm of consoles, the 360 is probably one of the most well engineered consoles to date.

:laugh: Ahahahahahaha! What are you on? :slap: Some country music seems appropriate now: www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGXMrJafaCE :laugh:

:roll: I'm still trying to pick myself off the floor from laughing so hard.

Xenocide: is there a name for this private world of yours? You've probably never heard of the RRoD and the BILLIONS it cost M$ just to fix this major design flaw, not to mention the numerous other issues that popped up during the Xbox360's lifetime. :slap:

Anyways, consoles are for boys and girlie men. Real men play with a damn PC. 'Nuff said. :cool:

As soon as i read the thread title i thought, this will make ports much easier lol.

1c3d0gXenocide: is there a name for this private world of yours? You've probably never heard of the RRoD and the BILLIONS it cost M$ just to fix this major design flaw, not to mention the numerous other issues that popped up during the Xbox360's lifetime. :slap:

There is a fine line between Engineering and Design. All of the problems with the Xbox 360 were design-related. From an Engineering stand point, the way they used efficient memory to cover up the fact that they didn't have a lot of memory, and incorporated very advanced (for the time) features that even the best discrete desktop solutions didn't have, says a lot about the Engineering behind it. But when MS takes that and uses crap thermal paste, or poor quality soldering, or use DVD drives taht eat DVD's, it makes it appear as though the whole system was crap.

Ms Make Xbox s themselves?? I favour no but not sure

My comp
any spends thousands per pcb ate tested the works, they still fail

xenocideThere is a fine line between Engineering and Design. All of the problems with the Xbox 360 were design-related. From an Engineering stand point, the way they used efficient memory to cover up the fact that they didn't have a lot of memory, and incorporated very advanced (for the time) features that even the best discrete desktop solutions didn't have, says a lot about the Engineering behind it. But when MS takes that and uses crap thermal paste, or poor quality soldering, or use DVD drives taht eat DVD's, it makes it appear as though the whole system was crap.

This is one of the reasons why MS won't deal with NVIDIA.

www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4094562/Microsoft-takes-Nvidia-to-arbitration-over-pricing-of-Xbox-processors

All the good noise from Amd's camp always involve graphics..... cant knock them at all there....Amd sets the bar. :toast:

This is great news for AMD. They need these contracts real bad and they have them :)

1c3d0g:roll: I'm still trying to pick myself off the floor from laughing so hard.

Xenocide: is there a name for this private world of yours? You've probably never heard of the RRoD and the BILLIONS it cost M$ just to fix this major design flaw, not to mention the numerous other issues that popped up during the Xbox360's lifetime. :slap:

Anyways, consoles are for boys and girlie men. Real men play with a damn PC. 'Nuff said. :cool:

console's hardware = engineer's work

console's solder = cost cutter's work

the hardware was good but somebody's decision to save a few cents off every console was what killed so many.

D4S4console's hardware = engineer's work

console's solder = cost cutter's work

the hardware was good but somebody's decision to save a few cents off every console was what killed so many.

The good old days. The Sega Dreamcast which was ahead of its time and was canceled way to soon (CEO made a huge mistake and pissed off DC developers and DC owners). My point, the Dreamcast was a nice piece of hardware, better graphically for its time vs. The PS3/XBOX 360 for there time.

The Dreamcast blew away the PS1&2, XBOX and any other gaming console before and after DreamCast's release date.

My point is, the days of quality console hardware ended with the Dreamcast. If developers had more time with DC the games would have been very close to current consoles games of today IMO. Mark my words.

Example: Crazy Taxi 1&2 on the DC still till this day blows away the PS3 & 360 versions.