Tuesday, November 17th 2015

Intel 7th Generation Core "Kaby Lake" and 200-series Chipset Platform Outlined

Intel's tick-tock product development cycle is disturbed. The cadence of launching a new CPU microarchitecture on a given silicon fab process, miniaturizing it to a smaller fab process, and then launching an even newer micro-architecture on that process; is about to change with the company's 7th generation Core "Kaby Lake" processor. When launched, it would be the third microarchitecture built on the company's 14 nm process, besides "Skylake" (current new architecture) and "Broadwell" (miniaturization of "Haswell" to 14 nm.) Some of the very first documents related to Kaby Lake began to move about, making news along the way. The architecture is scheduled to launch along with its companion 200-series chipset some time in 2016.

To begin with, Core "Kaby Lake" will continue to be built on the LGA1151 package, and will likely be backwards compatible with existing 100-series chipset motherboards with a firmware update. From what we get to understand from leaked material, it will not be a vastly newer architecture than Skylake, at least not of the kind Skylake was to Broadwell. There are still CPU performance enhancements on offer, an "enhanced full-range BClk overclocking," which could mean improved overclocking on chips with upwards-locked multipliers (although we won't get our hopes too high and call it a return of the BClk overclocking era). A bulk of the R&D will fall into improving the integrated graphics, to support multiple 5K displays, 10-bit HVEC and VP9 hardware-acceleration; platform-integrated Thunderbolt 3, and platform interface support for Intel Optane (3D XPoint memory).
Like its predecessor, "Kaby Lake" will feature an integrated memory controller that supports both DDR4 and DDR3 memory. It will support faster DDR4-2400 natively; and DDR3L-1600. DMI 3.0 (physical PCI-Express 3.0 x4) will continue to be the chipset bus. The 200-series chipset, codenamed "Union Point," in its topmost variant, will feature native support for Intel Optane SSDs, and will feature greater port-flexibility among its downstream PCIe lanes. It will feature Rapid Storage Technology support for PCIe storage devices. By the time it launches, NVMe will achieve greater presence in the market.

Since it will be built on the existing 14 nm process, TDP of "Kaby Lake" chips will be similar to existing "Skylake" ones - 35W and 65W for dual- and quad-core desktop chips; with 95W for enthusiast-K variants of the desktop chips. Elsewhere in the lineup, there will be 8 top-level variants of "Kaby Lake," four of which will launch in Q3-2016, and four in early-2017, as incremental lineup upgrades.
Source: Benchlife.info
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47 Comments on Intel 7th Generation Core "Kaby Lake" and 200-series Chipset Platform Outlined

#26
peche
Thermaltake fanboy
EarthDogZen will put up a good fight against Haswell... not this chip.
dont even get fight for sandies and ivies ... i could bet that !
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#27
Tomgang
So still no mainstream hexa-core. That pretty much settles it when. If i upgrade my artefact of an old I7 920 next year, im going Broadwell-E
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#28
Uplink10
MxPhenom 216If real virtualization is a big deal, you would not use a k chip, hell you wouldn't even use a normal i3, i5, i7. Xeon is what you want for the virtualization direct i/o. Though now that I think of it, non k chips might have direct i/o virtualization.
I didn't mean it like that I just meant that you can use K CPU for the same tasks as non-K CPU and that iGPU is not redundant. And a lot of tasks do not require dGPU. What do you gain with a K CPU? You can set the max/min frequency manually, you are paying for this privilege.

Non-K chips like i5-4690 also support Vt-d, I'd buy i5-4690 since it has the best performance per dollar and it supports Vt-d.
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#29
EarthDog
MxPhenom 216If real virtualization is a big deal, you would not use a k chip, hell you wouldn't even use a normal i3, i5, i7. Xeon is what you want for the virtualization direct i/o. Though now that I think of it, non k chips might have direct i/o virtualization.
Some of them do, yes. ;)
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#30
RealNeil
OctopussWhat does "supports xyz memory speed natively" mean? Or what's the difference between this and Skylake boards that already support it (unnatively?0?


I don't know what country you live in, but in this banana republic there are TONS of 100 series boards and Skylake CPUs are everything but unavailable.
He lives in Pune.

Pune is near Mumbai, in India.
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#31
MxPhenom 216
ASIC Engineer
EarthDogSome of them do, yes. ;)
Either way its a much better way of doing virtualization with vt-d rather than vt-x.
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#32
nemesis.ie
Did I see one monitor at 30Hz but two at 60Hz? :confused: I suspect they have that backwards or I'm up too late and imagining things.:toast:
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#33
Parn
Uplink10I didn't mean it like that I just meant that you can use K CPU for the same tasks as non-K CPU and that iGPU is not redundant. And a lot of tasks do not require dGPU. What do you gain with a K CPU? You can set the max/min frequency manually, you are paying for this privilege.

Non-K chips like i5-4690 also support Vt-d, I'd buy i5-4690 since it has the best performance per dollar and it supports Vt-d.
The latest K chips like 4790K and 6700K also support vt-d now.
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#34
Parn
I believe Kaby Lake is just a filler before Intel sort out their issues with 10nm. The whole platform looks disappointing on the paper. If I already own a PC on Haswell or newer platform, I wouldn't bother with the possible 3 - 5% improvement offered by the 7th gen.

The 200 series chipsets also looks boring. While 100 series offered big improvements (mainly 20 PCIe 3.0 lanes vs the previous 8 PCIe 2.0 lanes), this one is pretty much the same as the 100 series except for the Optane support (there is no product based on Optane yet and I'm pretty certain the 1st gen Optane will be too expensive for most consumers just like when SSD first came out).

Intel has been slacking for too long and I really wish Zen would give them a wake-up call.
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#35
Prima.Vera
EarthDogZen will put up a good fight against Haswell... not this chip.
If they can beat Sandy Bridge I will be impressed....
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#36
johnspack
Here For Good!
Awesome, Skylake-E will be my next upgrade! (In a couple of years when the rest of you are upgrading to KabyLake-E).....
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#37
zzzaac
Hopefully Zen won't be just all hype. But yeah, nothing much coming from Kaby just from looking at this
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#38
RealNeil
Prima.VeraIf they can beat Sandy Bridge I will be impressed....
Isn't Sandy Bridge a beast?
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#39
EarthDog
RealNeilIsn't Sandy Bridge a beast?
Sure, but its also considerably slower than it (~25% according to Anand). Isn't that just about where we are at now anyway?

It really needs to be Haswell/Broadwell IPC or its a bust in my mind.
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#40
peche
Thermaltake fanboy
EarthDogSure, but its also considerably slower than it (~25% according to Anand). Isn't that just about where we are at now anyway?

It really needs to be Haswell/Broadwell IPC or its a bust in my mind.
what about ivy?
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#41
R-T-B
pechewhat about ivy?
Isn't Ivy just a small die shrink of sandy?
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#42
Aquinus
Resident Wat-man
MxPhenom 216If real virtualization is a big deal, you would not use a k chip, hell you wouldn't even use a normal i3, i5, i7. Xeon is what you want for the virtualization direct i/o. Though now that I think of it, non k chips might have direct i/o virtualization.
Do you even know what VT-d does? Most people who do virtualization have little to no use for VT-d. The only time you need VT-d is if you plan on passing real hardware to a VM which requires a lot of work on the host OS to "detatch" the device from the host OS then re-initializing it in the VM, which even a lot of cloud setups don't do. VT-d is rarely used outside of servers and it's geared to a particular kind of virtualization workload. I suspect more of the people in the world wouldn't know the difference if they had it or not. The only situations I can think of where VT-d would be required would be to pass through a RAID controller to give a VM improved I/O (also keep in mind that the RAID and its drives would be dedicated to a single VM,) same deal with ethernet adapters if you've virtualized your gateway server, or if you're trying to do GPU passthru in a VM. All are legitimate reasons for using it but, most people won't be doing any of those things. Just an FYI. K-edition CPUs have the extension that really matters for VMs, which is VT-x.
RealNeilIsn't Sandy Bridge a beast?
There are low power Skylake chips that keep up with my 3820 just fine.
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#43
peche
Thermaltake fanboy
R-T-BIsn't Ivy just a small die shrink of sandy?
:(:(:(:(:(
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#44
MxPhenom 216
ASIC Engineer
AquinusDo you even know what VT-d does? Most people who do virtualization have little to no use for VT-d. The only time you need VT-d is if you plan on passing real hardware to a VM which requires a lot of work on the host OS to "detatch" the device from the host OS then re-initializing it in the VM, which even a lot of cloud setups don't do. VT-d is rarely used outside of servers and it's geared to a particular kind of virtualization workload. I suspect more of the people in the world wouldn't know the difference if they had it or not. The only situations I can think of where VT-d would be required would be to pass through a RAID controller to give a VM improved I/O (also keep in mind that the RAID and its drives would be dedicated to a single VM,) same deal with ethernet adapters if you've virtualized your gateway server, or if you're trying to do GPU passthru in a VM. All are legitimate reasons for using it but, most people won't be doing any of those things. Just an FYI. K-edition CPUs have the extension that really matters for VMs, which is VT-x.


There are low power Skylake chips that keep up with my 3820 just fine.
I am well aware of that. All I did was virtualization when I was working at Microsoft. I still don't think if virtualization is the main purpose of a system, to use a k series chip for it.
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#45
mcraygsx
With Z170 they should have replaced all USB 2.0 ports with USB 3.1 Gen2 as they are still backward compatible.
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#46
Octopuss
What kind of device realistically makes use of even USB3's speed potential? (except for external HDDs I guess)
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#47
CrAsHnBuRnXp
Uplink10I must be going crazy, I still see USB 2.0 and I do not see USB 3.1 Gen2 anywhere.
My skylake board has it.
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