Thursday, August 4th 2016

Toshiba Announces New BG SSDs with 3-Bit-Per-Cell (TLC) BiCS Flash

Toshiba America Electronic Components, Inc. (TAEC), a committed technology leader, will showcase its new BG series solid state drive (SSD) family featuring cutting-edge BiCS FLASH with 3-bit-per-cell TLC (triple-level cell) technology and Toshiba's new single-package ball grid array (BGA) NVMe PCI Express (PCIe) Gen3 x2 SSD at the 2016 Flash Memory Summit held in Santa Clara, California between August 8 - 11. Delivering a smaller footprint, lower power consumption and better performance than traditional storage options, the BG SSD series is purpose-built for the future wave of ultra-thin mobile PCs, including 2-in-1 convertible notebooks and tablets.

With a surface area 95 percent smaller than conventional 2.5-inch SATA storage devices and 82 percent smaller than M.2 Type 22806, the Toshiba BG series condenses both the controller and NAND flash memory in a single 16 mm x 20 mm BGA package enabling device manufacturers to prioritize features like battery capacity for longer operating times. The BG series is also available mounted on a M.2 Type 22307 module for applications requiring socketed storage. BG SSDs utilize BiCS FLASH, a three-dimensional (3D) stacked cell structure, making it possible to accommodate up to 512 GB of storage capacity in this high-performance and compact form factor. Additionally, the BG series SSDs utilize an in-house Toshiba-developed controller and firmware for a full, vertically developed solution, ensuring technology is tightly integrated for optimal performance, power consumption and reliability.

"We are thrilled to unveil the new BG series with BiCS FLASH which will deliver both a rich feature-set and high performance all within an extremely small footprint and power profile," said Jeremy Werner, vice president of SSD marketing and product planning at Toshiba America Electronic Components, Inc. "We expect to be in production this year with BiCS FLASH BGA SSDs, offering our customers a compelling and cost-effective storage solution for the next generation of high performance ultra-thin and light notebooks and tablets."

To deliver a more compact and power efficient drive, while still delivering excellent performance in client workloads, the BG series implements the latest NVMe standard Host Memory Buffer (HMB) feature which will be showcased during the 2016 Flash Memory Summit as a reference exhibition. HMB allocates and employs host DRAM for flash management purposes in contrast to alternative solutions that contain costly and power-hungry dedicated DRAM to perform similar functions. Host Memory Buffer technology can enable increased performance over solutions without DRAM by storing lookup data on host memory to reduce access times for commonly accessed data.

The Toshiba BG SSD Family will be available in 128 GB, 256 GB or 512 GB capacities in both a 16 mm x 20 mm package (M.2 Type 1620) or a removable M.2 Type 2230 module. Samples of Toshiba BGA SSDs are initially available for limited PC OEM customers, and will be available for other customers to develop with in the fourth calendar quarter of 2016.
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26 Comments on Toshiba Announces New BG SSDs with 3-Bit-Per-Cell (TLC) BiCS Flash

#1
RejZoR
Are we, the users of 1TB and more SSD drives really such tiny minority that most companies still keep on insistin on max 512GB !? I just can't understand people running SSD for boot drive and then everything else still on crappy ass HDD.
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#2
TheLostSwede
News Editor
RejZoRAre we, the users of 1TB and more SSD drives really such tiny minority that most companies still keep on insistin on max 512GB !? I just can't understand people running SSD for boot drive and then everything else still on crappy ass HDD.
Don't blurt out stupid things like this without understanding the product. This is a single chip SSD, there are limitations to what can physically be done.

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#3
RejZoR
"blurt out stupid things". First bragging about how tiny it is and then not using that as an obvious advantage. Who cares if M.2 is so tiny when basically every single device has slots for 5 times the size of this one. What's the frigging point?

Samsung doesn't have M.2 beyond 512GB because they can't stuff enough chips on it. Here, they have that capability, but they don't use it. Ok...
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#4
TheLostSwede
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RejZoR"blurt out stupid things". First bragging about how tiny it is and then not using that as an obvious advantage. Who cares if M.2 is so tiny when basically every single device has slots for 5 times the size of this one. What's the frigging point?

Samsung doesn't have M.2 beyond 512GB because they can't stuff enough chips on it. Here, they have that capability, but they don't use it. Ok...
This is for ultra portable notebooks etc. it's not intended for large devices. It's also most likely a very low cost solution. Also, keep in mind that not everyone has your budget when they buy a computer...
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#5
Caring1
With devices becoming smaller, these small drives are space savers, having two slots on a board with raid will only improve things.
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#6
bug
RejZoRAre we, the users of 1TB and more SSD drives really such tiny minority that most companies still keep on insistin on max 512GB !? I just can't understand people running SSD for boot drive and then everything else still on crappy ass HDD.
Yes, you are.
Not many want to pay $300+ for storage. Plus, what do you fill 1TB with? Because music and movies can sit on a HDD very well.
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#7
RejZoR
And what have you done then, still having HDD next to it? Just so Windows boots slightly faster? Pointless waste of money. Either SSD caching with HDD or full SSD. Anything else is wanking.
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#8
Nergal
The size is 1,6cm on 2,0cm. I find it amazing they were able to fit 512GB on it.
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#9
Homer_liu
It is good product but I am not sure if the thermal can be solved. In this kind of form factor, and PCIe Gen3 is used, how to warrant the balance between performance and thermal?
Is it only a product in lab? I had done similar product for SATA and PCIe but the thermal and yield rate are problem.
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#10
wolar
RejZoRAre we, the users of 1TB and more SSD drives really such tiny minority that most companies still keep on insistin on max 512GB !? I just can't understand people running SSD for boot drive and then everything else still on crappy ass HDD.
Yes you are a tiny minority of rich guys. Why should i not get a 3tb drive at 100$-130$ and get 3x 1tb SSD for 220$ each ? (220 is the cheapest one i found). You get a single small ssd for OS and games(not needed to have installed 20 games simultaneously) and a big HDD for media and other stuff, the difference would be non-existed if instead of that 3tb drive i had SSDs.
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#11
RejZoR
"Rich" he said XD Wishful thinking. I'm not rich, I was just thinking long term. Very long term. One of reasons why I've got Pro instead of Evo as well... I've also had M.2 AHCI SSD and couldn't see much difference in real world usage, meaning even if everything migrates to M.2 or U.2 in the future and SATA becomes "obsolete", it'll still serve me perfectly fine with 550MB sequential and superb random performance. I was just tired of slow, grinding drives with spinning plates. You really start to appreciate SSD's when you toss away all the HDD's...
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#12
Nergal
Got myself a samsung 850PRO 256GB; I can put on all the active games I play; for storage I use my old HDD´s. But to be honest, the need for large amount of storages are dwindling for me. I have about 7TB in total, only actively using 3TB (others are disconnected). And that number is going down. SSD rate of size increase is like how it was in the 90´s. We have so long been fed only small increases each year because of the limitations of the technology (they are added Helium now to larger HDD´s I believe)

The time to go forth to the petabyte is finally here.
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#13
bug
RejZoRAnd what have you done then, still having HDD next to it? Just so Windows boots slightly faster? Pointless waste of money. Either SSD caching with HDD or full SSD. Anything else is wanking.
What the hell are you talking about?
Will you watch a movie in 10 minutes if it's on a SSD? Listen to a whole album in 5?
Programs on a SSD make sense. Data? Not so much (because you don't have huge databases at home). And for what needs to be on a SSD, 512GB is plenty. Sure, I'd love to get rid of HDDs completely (not for the reasons you think), but hey, they're going for peanuts these days, so they still have their uses.

Since you brought it up: why do you think a HDD next to a SSD is pointless anyway?
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#14
Brusfantomet
bugWhat the hell are you talking about?
Will you watch a movie in 10 minutes if it's on a SSD? Listen to a whole album in 5?
Programs on a SSD make sense. Data? Not so much (because you don't have huge databases at home). And for what needs to be on a SSD, 512GB is plenty. Sure, I'd love to get rid of HDDs completely (not for the reasons you think), but hey, they're going for peanuts these days, so they still have their uses.

Since you brought it up: why do you think a HDD next to a SSD is pointless anyway?
A large SSD in stead of a HDD + SSD combo is useful if the systems is designed to be quiet (properly quiet, not this "HUR DUR 1200 RPM fans are inaudible HUR DUR" but all passive or only a few slow fans).

also, with 2 of these you can make a RAID 0 setup on a small M2 disk, or stick 16 of these on a 16X card for 8 TB of storage, that would probably require some driver magic for the OS to se them as one drive, but hey, 8 TB drive with off the shelf components in a small package would be fun.

A problem could be what to do if the drive fails? do you have to change the hole motherboard, as the drive is soldered to it or is there a socket like solution like there were for old BIOS chips?
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#15
bug
BrusfantometA large SSD in stead of a HDD + SSD combo is useful if the systems is designed to be quiet (properly quiet, not this "HUR DUR 1200 RPM fans are inaudible HUR DUR" but all passive or only a few slow fans).

also, with 2 of these you can make a RAID 0 setup on a small M2 disk, or stick 16 of these on a 16X card for 8 TB of storage, that would probably require some driver magic for the OS to se them as one drive, but hey, 8 TB drive with off the shelf components in a small package would be fun.

A problem could be what to do if the drive fails? do you have to change the hole motherboard, as the drive is soldered to it or is there a socket like solution like there were for old BIOS chips?
Well, I never said large SSDs aren't better. But at the current prices, I'd rather get a bunch of HDDs and lock them up in a NAS somewhere if noise was bothering me.
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#16
$ReaPeR$
RejZoRAre we, the users of 1TB and more SSD drives really such tiny minority that most companies still keep on insistin on max 512GB !? I just can't understand people running SSD for boot drive and then everything else still on crappy ass HDD.
with my tinfoil hat on i would say that there is a deliberate lack of "push" for ssd's until segate and wd decide that they dont want to produce any more crappy hdd's.
without my tinfoil hat on i would say that the adoption rate is acceptable, i mean the hdd of my first pc was a 27GB barracuda, and that was 15 years ago, thats not a long time if you think about it.
but i agree with you on the stupidity of the situation, if the companies wanted to push for faster adoption they could very easily.
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#17
bug
$ReaPeR$with my tinfoil hat on i would say that there is a deliberate lack of "push" for ssd's until segate and wd decide that they dont want to produce any more crappy hdd's.
without my tinfoil hat on i would say that the adoption rate is acceptable, i mean the hdd of my first pc was a 27GB barracuda, and that was 15 years ago, thats not a long time if you think about it.
but i agree with you on the stupidity of the situation, if the companies wanted to push for faster adoption they could very easily.
Ha, about a decade earlier, my fist HDD was a roomy 37MB. I had it split into two partitions.
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#18
Brusfantomet
Got an even better idea, put 16 of these on a card with sockets for each one so that they can be replaced if they break, use one as OS drive and have the 15 other in a software raid 5 array at 7 TB, plug the card into a ITX board and you could potentially have a sub 5 l server with a fast 7 TB raid array, if the CPU is halfway decent with a ok GPU and low power you could, in theory have it as a nice HTPPC/Server/NAS for the living room. with a laptop PSU and a passively cooled CPU it would also be properly quiet.
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#19
$ReaPeR$
bugHa, about a decade earlier, my fist HDD was a roomy 37MB. I had it split into two partitions.
LOL good ol times.. that was my point though, in 2 1/2 decades we went form MB's to TB's and from platters to nand flash, for the given time period i think the progress made is amazing.
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#20
xvi
bugNot many want to pay $300+ for storage. Plus, what do you fill 1TB with? Because music and movies can sit on a HDD very well.
I have two 7.2K RPM 1TB mechanical drives in my laptop as storage with two 256GB M.2 SSDs for OS/programs and I'm making good progress filling up the mechanicals with Steam games. I'd like to change the mechanicals out for low-cost SSDs simply because I don't like having the mechanicals being thrown around (and also a bit faster loading of programs).
I do fall into the category of those who don't want to pay.. uh.. *quickly googles prices* $200-300 US per drive to do that though.
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#21
$ReaPeR$
xviI have two 7.2K RPM 1TB mechanical drives in my laptop as storage with two 256GB M.2 SSDs for OS/programs and I'm making good progress filling up the mechanicals with Steam games. I'd like to change the mechanicals out for low-cost SSDs simply because I don't like having the mechanicals being thrown around (and also a bit faster loading of programs).
I do fall into the category of those who don't want to pay.. uh.. *quickly googles prices* $200-300 US per drive to do that though.
holy crap! thats not a laptop, that a monster!!! :D totally agree though, that price is ridiculous for hard drives in this day and age. i feel that these prices might be artificially kept this high (puts tinfoil hat on) :D
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#22
Ubersonic
RejZoRAre we, the users of 1TB and more SSD drives really such tiny minority that most companies still keep on insistin on max 512GB !? I just can't understand people running SSD for boot drive and then everything else still on crappy ass HDD.
Personally I just grandfather down my SSDs when I upgrade, I.E in my X79 rig I have the following SSDs:

1: 400GB Intel 750 PCI-E NVMe SSD - Main boot/files/games drive.
2: 250GB Samsung 840 SATA3 SSD - Secondary games drive.
4: 480GB OCZ Bigfoot SATA2 SSD - Downloads folder and old games.

More than enough space for all my games (media/backups are on a Synology NAS in the attic) and no need to shell out money on a huge SSD (technically the Bigfoot was the biggest on the market when I bought it but meh).
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#23
deemon
vertically developed solution
what? how is vertically better than diagonally developed? or spirally? what does it even mean?
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#24
Ubersonic
deemonwhat? how is vertically better than diagonally developed? or spirally? what does it even mean?
AFAIK it means they are stacking the chips instead of running them side by side /shrug.
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#25
Caring1
deemonwhat? how is vertically better than diagonally developed? or spirally? what does it even mean?
It means the designers were sober and standing when they thought of it :D
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