laszloover 100 posts arguing & debating what?

is like a never ending soap tv show when every week a new rumor appear...

"The future has a way of arriving unannounced." George Will

...and you just added more to the value. Just like me also ;)

Prima.Vera...and you just added more to the value. Just like me also ;)

LOL this conversation has become rather ridiculous at this point..

This may have already been posted in this thread but according to the source for this thread there is some more info about Vega 20 and according to Videocardz it won't come until 2nd half of 2018 (about 2 years). Volta will have come out long long before that and I'm not sure exactly what to expect as far as an improvement over Pascal but I speculate for now that it will be a good bit faster than Vega 10. I hope we have more DX12 games to get an idea what will be required by then.

videocardz.com/63715/amd-vega-and-navi-roadmap

Captain_TomConsider though that by the time Vega launches almost all AAA games will be DX12/Vulkan

You're dreaming. I applaud your optimism, but cut back on the weed, man! :laugh:

Seriously, you won't see that kind of adoption rate in 1 year.

Captain_TomPeople who bought an i7 5 years ago continue to get 60-100 FPS in the latest games while the old i3's need to be replaced (SB i3's can't really do 60 FPS anymore).

I was roundly attacked by i3 users after posting this. You must carry a lot of weight on this board.

AudiophizileA 480 uses as much or more power than a 1070 while being substantially slower. That part is not so good.

Every time I see the point brought up, I think of a parrot; "Power Consumption, the Power Consumption...caw caw rawwwk!" .

The RX 480/470 is the card of choice in the Ethereum Mining community, where lower energy costs are crucial to profitability.
One of the main reasons Polaris is sought after by miners is the power efficiency.
etherscan.io/ether-mining-calculator
etherscan.io/ether-mining-calculator

the54thvoidSo for some performance perspective, this is why you shouldn't write of a 980ti. In that example below it's >30% above stock. That's where my card games.

Dear lord look at the very graph you posted! That 30% overclock got you an 11% performance increase! That's about the same I get with my 13% overclock on my Fury, and it is because Nvidia has been memory starving its cards for 4 generations now.

UngariI was roundly attacked by i3 users after posting this. You must carry a lot of weight on this board.

Hahahaha that's pretty funny. Look I love the i3 as a gaming cpu, but for a longterm system it is only mean for Midrange build.


For example I built my cousin a system 4 years ago with an i3 and 560 Ti in it, and that thing is still chugging along just fine in every game that comes. Soon he should upgrade, and throwing an RX 470 in there will be fine, but throwing a Fury or lol a 1080 would just be a complete waste. But if he had an i7 he could still take that 1080.

$ReaPeR$mate, my point was that it is pretty much pointless to compare an EOL product to a brand new one for the majority of people. AMD at this point needs numbers, market share, and it won't get it from an EOL product, no matter how good it is.

And the 480, 470, and 460 are capturing marketshare right now. Polaris is allowing them to capture the biggest chunk of the market while they wait for API's and 14nm to mature. As AMD sees it there is no point in releasing Enthusiast cards if they won't be at their peak potential, and if developers won't fully utilize them.

@Captain_Tom and @Ungari you could use edit. Just saying.

64K@Captain_Tom and @Ungari you could use edit. Just saying.

That is their modus_operandi: spam the shit out of every thread they are in with double and triple posting.

64K@Captain_Tom and @Ungari you could use edit. Just saying.

Sorry, are there some grammatical or spelling errors I need to correct?

UngariSorry, are there some grammatical or spelling errors I need to correct?

I was referring to the double-posting.

From the Forum Guidelines
"If you reply to multiple posts use the "multi quote" button, that way the forum is easier to read."

www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/forum-guidelines.197329/

ppnIt's just 25% overclock over 14nm shrink, all it is. will be. 2018, 7nm is just another shrink. 15% GCN optimizations don't count on it. FuryX wasn't particularly efficient compared to 390X. add 25% to it and you get the picture., assuming memory will not overclock (memory bandwidth is the same) it could be as low as 15%. Here where 15% GCN+memory compression comes into play to pull it back to 25%.

20% higher clocks and 15% architectural improvement. That gives about 12TFLOP/s.... or 40% more than Fury X. This doesn't tell you everything you need to know about gaming performance, though.

Polaris is insanely bottlenecked by memory - I estimated that RX 480 should have nearly 320GB/s of bandwidth for peak performance... and it would be about 20% faster as a result. Vega 10 is 77% larger than Polaris 10, so needs that much extra bandwidth to see the GCN improvements... or about 566GB/s. With 512 GB/s, we should see about 15% better relative performance than we see with Polaris - partly eaten up by GCN scaling... but we're still looking at a card that is more than double the RX 480 with only 77% more resources... but double the bandwidth.

That means Vega 10 will range from ~40% to nearly 70% faster than the Fury X, depending on how much other hamstringing of performance AMD does (ROPs, mainly). The strongest probability cloud is nearer to 50% than to anything else.

64KVega 20 and according to Videocardz it won't come until 2nd half of 2018 (about 2 years). Volta will have come out long long before that and I'm not sure exactly what to expect as far as an improvement over Pascal but I speculate for now that it will be a good bit faster than Vega 10.

Vega 20 is a mid-range 2018 card and a test chip for 7nm. Looks like AMD plans on some pretty impressive improvements with Navi (or will tighten the gap between mid-range and the top tier).

rtwjunkieSeriously, you won't see that kind of adoption rate in 1 year.

The majority of the market can now run DX12. Game developers address as much of the market as they can - with most being able to now enjoy DX12 or Vulkan, all new game engines will make use. We are already seeing nearly every new AAA title have support for one or the other. In a year's time, many top CPU-bound DX11 games will have DX12 patches and nearly every new game will have support at or shortly after launch.

Microsoft's free upgrade offer pushed a lot of people onto Windows 10 (that and their underhanded upgrade tactics...). I didn't anticipate moving to Windows 10 at all, but my ability to make it like Windows 7 (stripping most of the new Windows 10 garbage) while still benefiting from the core updates made it a worthwhile endeavor.

64KI was referring to the double-posting.

From the Forum Guidelines
"If you reply to multiple posts use the "multi quote" button, that way the forum is easier to read."

www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/forum-guidelines.197329/

I wasn't replying to multiple posts, only that specific point. That is why I only quoted that part, see?

UngariI wasn't replying to multiple posts, only that specific point. That is why I only quoted that part, see?

Multi-posting really isn't an issue, IMHO, unless you are doing more than three. It's sometimes simply unavoidable or undesriable if you're behind and trying to catch up on the comments.

You did two and got called out, I did three just a few pages back and no one said anything... but I like to post really long comments, which I think changes the dynamic.

looncrazVega 20 is a mid-range 2018 card and a test chip for 7nm. Looks like AMD plans on some pretty impressive improvements with Navi (or will tighten the gap between mid-range and the top tier).

I wasn't aware of that about Vega 20. Thanks.

The problem that I'm seeing is that Nvidia is getting away with charging alot, imo, for the 1080 and Titan XP and most likely the 1080 Ti as well. They can do this because there is no competition from AMD for these GPUs. I see that Vega 10 is coming first half of next year (some are saying 1st quarter next year) but until then there is no competition for Nvidia. Volta will be coming near that time (some are saying Q2 2017 and if it beats Vega 10 then Volta has no competition until 2nd half 2018 if Vega 20 isn't competition for Volta then it will be 2019 for Navi is what I'm seeing.

Everybody loses in a lopsided market due to lack of competition.

UngariI wasn't replying to multiple posts, only that specific point. That is why I only quoted that part, see?

That's what multi quoting does. It allows you to respond to different people within one post, even if different thoughts.

rtwjunkieThat's what multi quoting does. It allows you to respond to different people within one post, even if different thoughts.

I wasn't responding to different people, nor was I responding to the poster's entire quote, only that phrase.
There is an option to either Multi-Quote or Reply, and I chose to Reply only to what I specifically highlighted, see?

UngariI wasn't responding to different people, nor was I responding to the poster's entire quote, only that phrase.
There is an option to either Multi-Quote or Reply, and I chose to Reply only to what I specifically highlighted, see?

You responded to Captain_Tom and then on a new post you responded to Audiophizile. What we are trying to tell you is that you could have combined them into one post and avoided double posting. If you only want to respond to a certain part of a persons post then delete the parts that you don't want to respond to within the quote as I did in #169.

64KYou responded to Captain_Tom and then on a new post you responded to Audiophizile. What we are trying to tell you is that you could have combined them into one post and avoided double posting. If you only want to respond to a certain part of a persons post then delete the parts that you don't want to respond to within the quote as I did in #169.

Stop being an etiquette Nazi, he made two posts... big whoop. It's really only a problem when someone makes four or five posts like that.

And you've now taken up a page with this nonsense...

looncrazStop being an etiquette Nazi, he made two posts... big whoop. It's really only a problem when someone makes four or five posts like that.

And you've now taken up a page with this nonsense...

Only because of a lack of understanding a simple thing like double posting and using multi quote instead but it's not my job to moderate. I will tell you that one mod in particular really doesn't like double posting.

64KOnly because of a lack of understanding a simple thing like double posting and using multi quote instead but it's not my job to moderate. I will tell you that one mod in particular really doesn't like double posting.

I especially don't like triple and quadruple posting, it alters the flow of conversations within a thread and is lazy which is why I spend time going through tidying them up, to the point that if they continue I just stop people doing it, but thank you for pointing it out, as you say correctly, its in the guidelines so lets draw the line at this point and see if anyone causes me any further work.

it may also be a good opportunity at this point to suggest that a couple of pages of off topic chitchat is probably enough, this is a news thread about Vega, lets keep it that way please.

Captain_TomDear lord look at the very graph you posted! That 30% overclock got you an 11% performance increase! That's about the same I get with my 13% overclock on my Fury, and it is because Nvidia has been memory starving its cards for 4 generations

102fps to 138fps is not 11% ;)

Audiophizile102fps to 138fps is not 11% ;)

Thanks for saving me the bother. And here I thought Captain Tom wasn't that 'silly'. So quick to slag of Nvidia...

basically AMD is going to become the new minimum standard in the mid-high end. Nv will basically move the goal posts as far as it needs to and then charge out the nose for anything past that... which is basically what it's doing now, so no change there.
Reminds me of back in the day with the 2900XT vs the 8800GTS/ 8800GTX/Ultra.

If Vega 10 gets sold from 1st Q of 2017 they will have over 10 months until Volta gets on the market. And nobody knows which Volta will be 1st to come out after all. If not the biggest possible, Vega 10 could be too close to that also and beating 1080 for less money. How is that wrong for us? Only extreme gamers need 1080Ti and have the cash for it atm.

I picked up 100 Jan,18 2019 options for AMD, i also picked up Shares a $2.80. Zen,Vega,PS,Xbox this might be a good 2 years for them or it could be a repeat of the last 5.