Thursday, November 17th 2016

AMD ZEN Processors to Supposedly Carry SR3, SR5 and SR7 Branding

Recent reports peg AMD's upcoming line of microprocessors based on Zen micro-architecture as being labelled SR3, SR5 and SR7 for different hardware tiers (with the SR3 being the lowest-performing, and SR7 being, naturally, the highest-performing). A recent post on Chip Hell claims that a leaked slide from an AMD presentation give us these insights, with further information on pricing: it's shown in the roadmap that all Zen SR (Summit Ridge) processors will sell for higher than RMB 1500 ($220).

AMD is expected to offer either four-core or eight-core designs on their lineup (with eventual Simultaneous Multi Threading differentiation, like Intel does between their i5 and i7 lines) still being up in the air. And in what would mark a divergence from their recent movement in the GPU space, where AMD introduced their latest Polaris architecture at the highest-volume market of about $200, AMD's Zen efforts are expected to begin from the top, with the dubbed "SR7" enthusiast-grade products first, and trickling down the market scale eventually.
That said, I can't help but feel like this will not be the branding on Zen chips at all, and that the "SRx" moniker is nothing more than a visualization for AMD's roadmap. From a brand perspective, it doesn't make much sense to name AMD's future chips with the platform code name. Platforms change, which would lead to necessary changes in the naming scheme for their Zen processors - and if AMD wants to follow in Intel's footsteps of building strong brand recognition, an annual or biennial change in nomenclature (Summit Ridge = SRx; and an eventual Summit Ridge hypothetical successor being called "Raven's Ridge" = RRx) wouldn't make much sense, breaking continuity in brand awareness and eventually giving rise to confusion among customers.
AMD might instead opt for using ZEN's well-known code-name, imbibing it on their products: "z3", "z5" or "z7" would, in my opinion, make much more sense. AMD is expected to support and iterate on Zen for years to come (much like Intel does under their iX line of processors), and the "zX" moniker would be a symbol of AMD's confidence in ZEN being the horse to carry them to more successful waters. I think AMD would to well to copy Intel's naming scheme, for a variety of reasons: the "zX" capitalizes on Intel's well-known and well-understood branding scheme, and is so instantly recognizable for its proximity in nomenclature that it would increase consumer awareness. Also, I believe it would increase perception of performance being on-par with Intel (AMD's z7 being comparable to Intel's i7) but Z is (along with X) usually (and arguably) associated with higher performance than other nomenclatures (just look at all those "gaming products" with "X"s and "Z"s plastered all over their names).

Whether or not that ends up being the case, I'll make sure not to take credit for it. But it really is my firm belief that AMD should find a naming scheme close to Intel's, and that the company would do well to distance itself from their FX line of CPUs - which a letter and numeral code would definitely help in doing.
Source: Chip Hell
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43 Comments on AMD ZEN Processors to Supposedly Carry SR3, SR5 and SR7 Branding

#26
Frick
Fishfaced Nincompoop
cdawallI am hoping this is a Phenom II like situation, good clocks, no cold bug, acceptable performance and a good inexpensive platform.
Personally I think based on what they are saying and the past (is that better, @Ungari) AMD will price everything to high. At least to begin with. I just hope they make an equivalent to the AM1 platform, which they won't but they should at least have equivalent CPUs. Quad core, 2Ghz and a bit, low power consumption, socketed, preferebly overclockable..
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#27
TheinsanegamerN
cdawallI am hoping this is a Phenom II like situation, good clocks, no cold bug, acceptable performance and a good inexpensive platform.
Man the phenom II age was awesome. I'm dissapointed that I didnt have the money to build a PC before the ivy bridge era, when all AMD had was faildozer to offer. I would have loved a watercooled 1100t OCed with dual 6970s back in the day.
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#28
TheGuruStud
DimiSome of you are acting like everyone buys a new cpu every year. Don't most consumers do like 5-7 years on average with a pc?

Hell my i7 4770K is from August 2013 and STILL going strong and no need to upgrade yet. But consumers who are using 5-7 year old cpu's WILL see a huge improvement when they buy a new pc with the latest intel cpu's.

You think car manufacturers think "oh last years model is still good, lets not improve on it"? No, they make a new model every year for consumers who are driving 10-15 year old cars and car enthousiasts or snobs who always want (not need) the latest and greatest.

People see a new product being released and they jump and bash on it for not being a lot faster than previous gen. Thats not how it works.

So when i'm finally done with my cpu in maybe 2018, i better see a 2018 intel cpu in the lineup and not having to buy 3 year old tech unlike some other company.
That's exactly what auto. manuf. do lol. A generation of car will last 4-7 yrs and usually receives nothing but a couple cosmetic touches or maybe a new option (engine upgrades are pretty rare and only used under stiff competition).

Man, if you're going to make an argument, you better try an analogy that works.
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#29
slozomby
the simple fact is that for the vast majority of people a 5 yr old i5 ( or insert 4+core amd chip here ) is still more cpu horsepower than they need. a very small percentage of end users actually use the cpu at 100% for any length of time. also as tablets/phone/media devices take more an more of the cpu time that desktops do there has been very little need to make things faster. the market is saturated with machines that can do basic office/web browsing/streaming cat videos on youtube.. throw in a little more ram and an ssd and they'd think they had a brand new machine. heck, I game and it took me 8 years to feel the need to upgrade the i7-920 I was using.

server space has mostly grown horizontally with the ability to add more and more cores to a single cpu and very little need for single threaded performance.
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#30
wiak
you talkin about confusion?, just look at intel and their 1000s different sockets that basically does the same thing lol

hmm
AMD Zen SR9000 with RX 420 graphics anyone?
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#31
slozomby
wiakyou talkin about confusion?, just look at intel and their 1000s different sckets that basically does the same thing lol
amd would be in the same boat if they hadn't stopped making new stuff several years ago.
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#32
Grings
I just hope there are itx mobo's for these, i was always quite tempted by fm2+ itx

If these chips are launching with half decent graphics i might run one in an itx board for a bit, adding a gpu later

I'd like to see them come up with something like that skull canyon nuc that was out a while back too
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#33
TheinsanegamerN
GringsI just hope there are itx mobo's for these, i was always quite tempted by fm2+ itx

If these chips are launching with half decent graphics i might run one in an itx board for a bit, adding a gpu later

I'd like to see them come up with something like that skull canyon nuc that was out a while back too
zen APUs are Q2 2017, so dont expect them anytime soon. I also agree though, cant wait to see what they do. Maybe AMD will finally pull their head out of the sand and commission someone like MSI to do a proper APU powered notebook line. A 13" with the equivelant of a mobile RX460 and a quad core zen chip wuold be an awesome laptop.
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#34
TheGuruStud
TheinsanegamerNzen APUs are Q2 2017, so dont expect them anytime soon. I also agree though, cant wait to see what they do. Maybe AMD will finally pull their head out of the sand and commission someone like MSI to do a proper APU powered notebook line. A 13" with the equivelant of a mobile RX460 and a quad core zen chip wuold be an awesome laptop.
That's probably the plan for the apu (with hbm). They can stick a pretty big gpu on that sucker and get 100% performance out of it. Intel will just have to copy for 2018.
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#35
ensabrenoir
..........you smell that?...........somewhat familiar stench...........

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#36
Joss
DimiSome of you are acting like everyone buys a new cpu every year. Don't most consumers do like 5-7 years on average with a pc?

Hell my i7 4770K is from August 2013 and STILL going strong and no need to upgrade yet. But consumers who are using 5-7 year old cpu's WILL see a huge improvement when they buy a new pc with the latest intel cpu's.
This
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#37
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
ensabrenoir..........you smell that?...........somewhat familiar stench...........

When was the 9590 ever touted as anything?
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#38
Ungari
ensabrenoir..........you smell that?...........somewhat familiar stench...........

Yes, I smell an Intel fanboi.
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#39
Ungari
TheinsanegamerNzen APUs are Q2 2017, so dont expect them anytime soon. I also agree though, cant wait to see what they do. Maybe AMD will finally pull their head out of the sand and commission someone like MSI to do a proper APU powered notebook line. A 13" with the equivelant of a mobile RX460 and a quad core zen chip wuold be an awesome laptop.
MSI rebrands laptops made for them by other OEM manufacturers.
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#40
ViperXTR
Unless my 3570K @4ghz won't be enough for next year, im considering this series, it may not give massive performance boost but should probably get the recent ports and tech i need (more usb 3.0+, m.2, pcie-3.0, ddr4 etc.)
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#41
Fluffmeister
ensabrenoir..........you smell that?...........somewhat familiar stench...........
People celebrate that only AMD also have an x86 license, so this Zen turd better be good, the hype is painful either way.
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#42
Totally
DimiSome of you are acting like everyone buys a new cpu every year. Don't most consumers do like 5-7 years on average with a pc?

Hell my i7 4770K is from August 2013 and STILL going strong and no need to upgrade yet. But consumers who are using 5-7 year old cpu's WILL see a huge improvement when they buy a new pc with the latest intel cpu's.

You think car manufacturers think "oh last years model is still good, lets not improve on it"? No, they make a new model every year for consumers who are driving 10-15 year old cars and car enthousiasts or snobs who always want (not need) the latest and greatest.

People see a new product being released and they jump and bash on it for not being a lot faster than previous gen. Thats not how it works.

So when i'm finally done with my cpu in maybe 2018, i better see a 2018 intel cpu in the lineup and not having to buy 3 year old tech unlike some other company.
In auto sales it's about warranty periods, and leases. There isn't as much emphasis or consideration for long-term ownership beyond what is lawfully required when they plan things.
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#43
TheGuruStud
TotallyIn auto sales it's about warranty periods, and leases. There isn't as much emphasis or consideration for long-term ownership beyond what is lawfully required when they plan things.
He's going to be sorely disappointed when 2018 doesn't bring anything new (won't even get 10nm as it won't be able to clock high, it's only for low power devices, so more like 2019) :|

2 (more) full years of nothing new from intel.
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