So, grab a cheap Skylake when these come out, or buy Zen.

second one... because intel does not drop even a cent from its previous gens when new comes out (obviously Zen could change even that)

Intel is so stubborn with his price range i don't think Zen can change that.

the54thvoidSo, grab a cheap Skylake when these come out, or buy Zen.

Previous generations do not get cheaper. Haswell i3's cost more than Skylake i3's, where I live.

FrickPrevious generations do not get cheaper. Haswell i3's cost more than Skylake i3's, where I live.

It makes perfect sense if you think about it.
Its not like Skylake is so much faster than Haswell :)

geon2k2It makes perfect sense if you think about it.
Its not like Skylake is so much faster than Haswell :)

No it doesn't. Why should an old platform cost the same as a new one?

geon2k2It makes perfect sense if you think about it.

Perfect sense to whom? To intel and dealerships? No doubt. ... Your statement implies that if it doesn't make sense to a customer, he or she is simply not thinking enough :slap:

geon2k2Its not like Skylake is so much faster than Haswell :)

... except Haswell is not being produced anymore

BiggieShadyPerfect sense to whom? To intel and dealerships? No doubt. ... Your statement implies that if it doesn't make sense to a customer, he or she is simply not thinking enough :slap:

... except Haswell is not being produced anymore

Oh, please, stop it, i was just pointing out that there was very little progress between generations.
Obviously no new customer should buy an old platform at the same price as the new one, even if this has the same performance.

On the other hand I sit on an i5 Haswell and I was looking to maybe upgrade to an i7 also Haswell so that I'll not have to replace the MB, but the prices didn't move from few years ago (although I did see my i5 with like 50 EUR discount compared to my price during BF) and in retrospect it does make some sense as the performance of this old i7 is more or less the same as the new i7.

Another year and another useless processor from Intel. This is becoming like the COD series but with processors. Clock per clock performance is pretty much the same as in Sandy Bridge and the only thing thats evolving is the chipset. With no competition its no wonder advancements arent happening.

LDNLWith no competition its no wonder advancements arent happening.

It is a shameful legacy of failure that hangs around AMD for dropping the ball on their end. AMD's redeeming moment looms and hopefully, with a product that meets expectations, competition ensues.

ratirtIntel is so stubborn with his price range i don't think Zen can change that.

Even if not, we now have an option. Before there was basically none.

Yawn, bring on the giant killer ryzen.

geon2k2Oh, please, stop it, i was just pointing out that there was very little progress between generations.
Obviously no new customer should buy an old platform at the same price as the new one, even if this has the same performance.

On the other hand I sit on an i5 Haswell and I was looking to maybe upgrade to an i7 also Haswell so that I'll not have to replace the MB, but the prices didn't move from few years ago (although I did see my i5 with like 50 EUR discount compared to my price during BF) and in retrospect it does make some sense as the performance of this old i7 is more or less the same as the new i7.

Yes, you are locked to Haswell with the socket and the chipset and the cpu is commodity that doesn't go stale in the warehouse, it works great for keeping the prices high - it's not like they have to sell all the oranges before they get moldy.

LDNLClock per clock performance is pretty much the same as in Sandy Bridge and the only thing thats evolving is the chipset. .

Stop spouting nonsense - you get at least an IPC improvement going from Sandy to Skylake of 30% (same speed ofc). That is without new instruction sets.

It's true that the improvements from gen to gen were small the last few years, but with 4 new generations since Sandy it adds up.

FolterknechtIt's true that the improvements from gen to gen were small the last few years, but with 4 new generations since Sandy it adds up.

That's the way I see it too. The improvements have been gradual and it's taken a few generations to give me a good reason to upgrade my 3570k but it's almost time. I will wait for word on 10nm Cannonlake and if it gets delayed past 2017 then I will do a Kaby Lake build.

If the rumors are true and we see a retail RyZen 8 core 16 thread part hitting the market at ~$300 USD (and performing about as well as Core i7 6900K) then that would surely be a industry changing moment. This should technically force Intel to lower prices but then again you never know.

If RyZen is a noteworthy performance / price contender it will likely be a difficult chip to find in stock and even more difficult to find at the MSRP. Stock will be scant at its release. Stock will be bought up by opportunistic price gouging trolls looking to inflate the price beyond reason via aftermarket third-party sales.

Assuming the MSRP is actually in the low ~$300 range to begin with.

No it will not be Nirvana when Zen hits the market, it will be a frustrating free for all cluster F@$K trying to find one at or even near the MSRP,.....probably for months after release.

This is assuming that AMD doesn't oversell and under deliver on RyZen,....

Judging by the boxes colour and according to the doppler effect, i can assume that the i3 is the fastest and i7 is the slowest, unless they're moving backwards.

64KThat's the way I see it too. The improvements have been gradual and it's taken a few generations to give me a good reason to upgrade my 3570k but it's almost time. I will wait for word on 10nm Cannonlake and if it gets delayed past 2017 then I will do a Kaby Lake build.

Desktop 10nm isn't slated to arrive till late 2018 as of now (assuming no complications).

AMD has free range to plunder if they pull it off. Cannonlake isn't anything new from what I can tell, so AMD has even more time to pillage, especially if they pull off good refreshes and Zen+.

really marketing that "VR ready"

Wouldn't even be a consideration and I don't know how this CPU is better VR than that last? LOL the right marketing team can sell a dead cow to a farmer

nickbaldwin86really marketing that "VR ready"

Wouldn't even be a consideration and I don't know how this CPU is better VR than that last? LOL the right marketing team can sell a dead cow to a farmer

Hey, now, next thing you'll tell me is that I don't need a "windows 10 compatible" sticker on my monitor.

TheGuruStudHey, now, next thing you'll tell me is that I don't need a "windows 10 compatible" sticker on my monitor.

Yup you have made my point!

Ryzen isn't out till Feb though :(

cmon amd... gimme my 8 core

I'd file this release of Intel chips under the 'who cares?' section.

ratirtIntel is so stubborn with his price range i don't think Zen can change that.

Good. Then AMD will clean their clock and sell more chips than Intel. Frankly, I'm pretty sure Intel WILL lower their prices.

Snoozefest.