Friday, January 20th 2017

Superflower Announces the Upcoming "Double Forward Platform" for their PSUs

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Raevenlord
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Super Flower, a global leader in PC gaming power supplies (and whose designs are used by a multitude of PSU manufacturers ranging anywhere from 80+ Bronze to 80+ Platinum rated power supplies), today announced its upcoming double forward 80+ Bronze product line, with available wattages ranging from 400W to 850W, with the 750W , 800 W and 850 W also being available in semi-modular options. Super Flower's own innovative layout design with optimized & refined topology includes various first grade and high-quality components, on products with power ratings of 400W / 450W / 500W / 550W / 600W / 650W / 700W / 750W / 800W and 850W.
Component list:
  • USA Fairchild 4800 Main PWM & PFC Controller IC
  • Germany Infineon High Performance PWM and PFC MOSFET
  • Japan Fujitsu Relay (First to introduce in Double Forward Layout)
  • European STMicroelectronics Fast Recovery Diode
  • Taiwan Mospec Low VF Schottky
  • Patented Transformer (Semi-Winding, High-Power Transformer)
  • Taiwan Teapo High Voltage 105℃ Capacitors
  • (Exclusive Specification and Packaging Offer to Super Flower and OEM Customer)
  • Uncluttered Layout Design with Optimized Airflow and Heat Dissipation Following Super Flower Tradition.
Equipped with the above components, Superflower's upcoming bronze series will deliver outstanding performance and reliability with cost-effective prices to become the mainstream option in the 80+ Bronze markets. Initial model will be mainstream 450W with launch date at Q1~Q2 2017, this product line will be available to Super Flower OEM customers.
Super Flower is the leading power supply supplier in LLC topology and will create another milestone using its own innovative design double forward topology.

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25 Comments on Superflower Announces the Upcoming "Double Forward Platform" for their PSUs

#2
ZoneDymo
"today announced its upcoming double forward 80+ Bronze product line"

Just why? that is not progress damn it, 80+ platinum and/or titanium or nothing.
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#3
Raevenlord
News Editor
Dj-ElectriCIs this a PR? i don't see PR tag
Dänke ;)
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#4
LTUGamer
ZoneDymo"today announced its upcoming double forward 80+ Bronze product line"

Just why? that is not progress damn it, 80+ platinum and/or titanium or nothing.
Efficienty is not the most important thing about PSU. If it haves low ripple and good voltage regulation it is perfect PSU. It is not only important to have good 100-200usd/eur power supplies but also decent budget models.
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#5
LTUGamer
includes various first grade and high-quality components
Yeahhh... First grade like this one:



But is still OK for budget PSU, better than capxon etc.
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#7
tabascosauz
Double forward is not a marketing name. It probably refers to topology. 2F is a type of design used in budget PSUs that doesn't compare to half-bridge or full bridge found in higher end units usually with 80+ Gold or above.

I don't understand why SF needs to do this. They have Leadex on the high end; the Golden Green platform has served their low end faithfully for a long time, even though it's commonly found in 80+ Gold Capstones, it's still cheap enough. This is scraping the bottom of the barrel.
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#8
-The_Mask-
RaevenlordDänke ;)
Why did you add the Super Flower Leadex Platinum pictures?
tabascosauzDouble forward is not a marketing name. It probably refers to topology.
Yes this is a double forward design with group regulation, as low as you can go for a 80PLUS Bronze PSU. Because of that is also gonna lack C6 and C7 power state support.
I don't understand why SF needs to do this. They have Leadex on the high end; the Golden Green platform has served their low end faithfully for a long time, even though it's commonly found in 80+ Gold Capstones, it's still cheap enough. This is scraping the bottom of the barrel.
This is way lower-end. A PSU like the Corsair CXM 2016 series is already a nice step up compared with this.

This is btw a competitor for the Corsair VS and EVGA B/W series. It also isn't a PSU sold or build by Super Flower but probably a designed and build by HEC sold under the Super Flower name PSU.
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#9
ZoneDymo
LTUGamerEfficienty is not the most important thing about PSU. If it haves low ripple and good voltage regulation it is perfect PSU. It is not only important to have good 100-200usd/eur power supplies but also decent budget models.
I dont disagree, but we need to up our standard as a whole.
Its like saying a coal driven car is still fine as long as its cheap.

Ok yeah thats an extreme sure, but 80+ should be considered too low-end to make anymore imo
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#10
R-T-B
RaevenlordSuper Flower, a global leader in PC gaming power supplies (and whose designs are used by a multitude of PSU manufacturers ranging anywhere from 80+ Bronze to 80+ Platinum rated power supplies),
They have designs spanning up to Titanium, just FYI.
Chaitanyawww.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=20840
The point is not that it's "passable," it's that it's not "first-grade." Which it isn't.
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#11
AsRock
TPU addict
Risking there good name is all i see.
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#12
diatribe
It's definitely a low-cost design with inexpensive(but adequate) components and a clean layout. Given Superflowers track record and build-quality standards, I believe this may be a huge hit for them.

As we all know most people don't spend >$100 on PSU's and often buy spotty ones in an attempt to save cash. Hopefully this will help some people avoid major headaches diagnosing their machines and further expand our hobby.
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#13
silkstone
LTUGamerYeahhh... First grade like this one:



But is still OK for budget PSU, better than capxon etc.
Newer Teapo caps are good. The reported failures are from around 10 years ago as far as I remember.
In the mean time, they have stepped up their game and can even be found in Titanium units (such as mine)
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#14
R-T-B
silkstoneNewer Teapo caps are good. The reported failures are from around 10 years ago as far as I remember.
In the mean time, they have stepped up their game and can even be found in Titanium units (such as mine)
They are good but not "first rate" is honestly all we're trying to say.

And caps have nearly nothing to do with efficiency. You could build a CapXon or worse Titanium PSU is you were a bit wonky in the head.
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#15
silkstone
R-T-BThey are good but not "first rate" is honestly all we're trying to say.

And caps have nearly nothing to do with efficiency. You could build a CapXon or worse Titanium PSU is you were a bit wonky in the head.
I'm not really qualified to compare, I'm really just going on what Johnny Guru says:

"I am no longer scoring against Teapo electrolytics, let alone their polymers, so I have no complaints here. Seriously, Teapo has to be the widest used Chinese brand out there in these things. And I'm not just talking about second string OEMs like CWT, either. No, I've seen their stuff in Win-Tact, Etasis, Zippy, and Delta units as well. If those four don't have a problem using Teapo, neither do I." - Source

If there is no difference between good and first rate, then the argument for or against having Teapo caps is moot.
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#16
-The_Mask-
That's not jonnyGURU but OklahomaWolf who said that. There is also a big difference in a good series and a bad series from Teapo. The Teapo's in this power supply ain't gonna be on of the better ones. ;)
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#17
silkstone
-The_Mask-That's not jonnyGURU but OklahomaWolf who said that. There is also a big difference in a good series and a bad series from Teapo. The Teapo's in this power supply ain't gonna be on of the better ones. ;)
Yes. The majority of all the PSU tests done on JG are by Oklahoma Wolf now.

I believe JG works for Corsair in their PSU division.

I can't say I know the difference between good and bad capacitors personally.
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#18
-The_Mask-
Mostly OklahomaWolf and sometimes Tazz. JonnyGURU indeed works for Corsair and doesn't own jonnyguru.com anymore.
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#19
Athlonite
silkstoneYes. The majority of all the PSU tests done on JG are by Oklahoma Wolf now.

I believe JG works for Corsair in their PSU division.

I can't say I know the difference between good and bad capacitors personally.
A good Capacitor comes from Japan anything else is rubbish
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#20
Ubersonic
AthloniteA good Capacitor comes from Japan anything else is rubbish
This is correct (in 2003).
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#21
Fx
I'm glad you guys knew what this meant. I read that and asked myself WTF did I just read.

At any rate, this doesn't pertain to any product I'll consider buying.
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#22
R-T-B
UbersonicThis is correct (in 2003).
I still maintain if you're paying top dollar for a PSU, they should pony up for Japanese caps, if only for the feel-goods it gives some users. It doesn't hurt that their history is a bit better too.

But yeah, as mentioned several times now, there are many decent/good China and Taiwan sourced caps nowadays, especially if you throw polymers in.
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#23
Athlonite
R-T-BI still maintain if you're paying top dollar for a PSU, they should pony up for Japanese caps, if only for the feel-goods it gives some users. It doesn't hurt that their history is a bit better too.

But yeah, as mentioned several times now, there are many decent/good China and Taiwan sourced caps nowadays, especially if you throw polymers in.
Correct If I'm paying more than $200 for a PSU I want the best hardware inside it and for me that's Japanese 105 degree Caps preferably Rubicon I will never fully trust caps coming out of china no matter how good someone says they are as you'll never know if they're being made in a quality factory or some shonky little sweat shop in the middle of nowhere
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#24
R-T-B
AthloniteCorrect If I'm paying more than $200 for a PSU I want the best hardware inside it and for me that's Japanese 105 degree Caps preferably Rubicon I will never fully trust caps coming out of china no matter how good someone says they are as you'll never know if they're being made in a quality factory or some shonky little sweat shop in the middle of nowhere
Well to be fair, Taiwan does a lot better in labor standards than the PRC, and I think Teapo comes from there. But yeah, get your point all the same.
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#25
silkstone
AthloniteCorrect If I'm paying more than $200 for a PSU I want the best hardware inside it and for me that's Japanese 105 degree Caps preferably Rubicon I will never fully trust caps coming out of china no matter how good someone says they are as you'll never know if they're being made in a quality factory or some shonky little sweat shop in the middle of nowhere
Where it says that "this product line will be available to Super Flower OEM customers" doesn't that mean it's only going to manufacturers who make pre-built units rather than retail? A $200 price-tag is highly unlikely.
Compared to come of the crap I've seen in pre-built machines, this is a massive step up.

Edit - And as R-T-B mentioned, Taiwan is not the same as PRC. Not that it matters either way, you can get crap capacitors just like you can get decent ones from many places.
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