Thursday, June 22nd 2017

NVIDIA "Pascal" Based Mining GPU Lineup Detailed

GPU-accelerated crypto-currency mining poses a threat to the consumer graphics industry, yet the revenues it brings to GPU manufacturers are hard to turn away. The more graphics cards are bought up by crypto-currency miners, the fewer there are left for gamers and the actual target-audience of graphics cards. This is particularly bad for AMD, as fewer gamers have Radeon graphics cards as opposed to miners; which means game developers no longer see AMD GPU market-share as an amorphous trigger to allocate developer resources in optimizing their games to AMD architectures.

To combat this, both AMD and NVIDIA are innovating graphics cards designed specifically for crypto-currency mining. These cards are built to a cost, lack display outputs, and have electrical and cooling mechanisms designed for 24/7 operation, even if not living up to the durability standards of real enterprise-segment graphics cards, such as Radeon Pro series or Quadro. NVIDIA's "Pascal" GPU architecture is inherently weaker than AMD's "Polaris" and older Graphics CoreNext architectures at Ethereum mining, owing in part to Pascal's lack of industry-standard asynchronous compute. This didn't deter NVIDIA from innovating a lineup of crypto-mining SKUs based on its existing "Pascal" GPUs. These include the NVIDIA P104 series based on the "GP104" silicon (on which the GTX 1080 and GTX 1070 are based); and P106 series based on the "GP106" silicon (GTX 1060 series is based on this chip). NVIDIA didn't tap into its larger "GP102" or smaller "GP107" chips, yet.
VideoCardz compiled a small list of unreleased crypto-currency mining cards based on the P104 and P106. These include cards from popular NVIDIA GeForce add-in card (AIC) partners, such as ASUS, MSI, and Colorful. The mining-segment cards look almost identical to the GeForce GTX 10-series cards they're derived from; but lack display outputs. Pictured above are the ASUS MINING-P106-6G, MSI P106-Miner, MSI P104-Miner; and Colorful P106-100 WK1 (in that order). It remains to be seen how NVIDIA and its partners price these cards, but if they're pricier than their GeForce GTX siblings, this whole exercise will be rendered futile, as miners will simply buy up the GeForce GTX inventories.
Source: VideoCardz
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54 Comments on NVIDIA "Pascal" Based Mining GPU Lineup Detailed

#26
jabbadap
motov8Does it have SLI ?
Compute cards have no use for sli. GTX1060 does not support sli either.

With that gp104 you have a point though, wonder if one can sli it with normal gtx1080. Probably not officially but maybe with tweaked driver.
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#27
Lycanwolfen
total waste of money. By the time you buy these and set them all up the diff will rise and your daily income made will go down. 10 to 50 dollars a day sounds great at first but wait till a year and everyone is doing it then that price will become 3 to 7 dollars a day. Plus to run say 4 video card in one machine will use over 1000 watts of power to get small hashing power. I bought some decated miners made for mining that do 504 Mh/s each at 800 watts. Too get that same power in Video cards I would need 8 computers with 4 video cards in each running full tilt. I would use over 20,000 watts of power. Mining has two factors allways cost of power and money made per day. So as long as your cost of power per day is lower than what you make per day your fine. But as soon as that reverses then forget it your losing money each day.

4 years ago I owned two zeus thunders that mined 60 mh/s per sec but the power draw was 2000 watts a day that cost of 8.40 in power a day but my return was around 50.00 a day. I ran them for a year but then the price dropped of stuff I was mining and then I was only making 5 dollars a day and spending 8.40 in power.
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#28
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
Lycanwolfentotal waste of money. By the time you buy these and set them all up the diff will rise and your daily income made will go down. 10 to 50 dollars a day sounds great at first but wait till a year and everyone is doing it then that price will become 3 to 7 dollars a day. Plus to run say 4 video card in one machine will use over 1000 watts of power to get small hashing power. I bought some decated miners made for mining that do 504 Mh/s each at 800 watts. Too get that same power in Video cards I would need 8 computers with 4 video cards in each running full tilt. I would use over 20,000 watts of power. Mining has two factors allways cost of power and money made per day. So as long as your cost of power per day is lower than what you make per day your fine. But as soon as that reverses then forget it your losing money each day.

4 years ago I owned two zeus thunders that mined 60 mh/s per sec but the power draw was 2000 watts a day that cost of 8.40 in power a day but my return was around 50.00 a day. I ran them for a year but then the price dropped of stuff I was mining and then I was only making 5 dollars a day and spending 8.40 in power.
Ethereum can't be mined on asic...
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#29
Lycanwolfen
cdawallEthereum can't be mined on asic...
Ya I know that. But I tried mining that with my 1080 the ROI is way too long.
My new miners cost me 4 grand I made it back in a month.
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#30
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
LycanwolfenYa I know that. But I tried mining that with my 1080 the ROI is way too long.
My new miners cost me 4 grand I made it back in a month.
The 1080 is garbage in Ethereum?

And 4 1060's is like 300w max. I don't know what you did to get 1kw for 4 cards. Hell the 1080 based ones are only 180w...
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#31
Lycanwolfen
cdawallThe 1080 is garbage in Ethereum?

And 4 1060's is like 300w max. I don't know what you did to get 1kw for 4 cards. Hell the 1080 based ones are only 180w...
No more discussion. Youll figure it out as I did long time ago.
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#32
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
LycanwolfenNo more discussion. Youll figure it out as I did long time ago.
I have already made ROI back on everything I own. Figure out what? That your numbers are so far inflated it isn't even funny...
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#33
Fouquin
0x4452Was this ever confirmed ;)
GALAX has already launched their GP106 so it's more or less confirmed.
cdawallThe 1080 is garbage in Ethereum?
Yeah we've been using GTX 1070s. The 1080 Ti despite the GDDR5X has enough grunt to still put up some impressive numbers at around 1800MHz so we've got those running too.
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#34
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
FouquinYeah we've been using GTX 1070s. The 1080 Ti despite the GDDR5X has enough grunt to still put up some impressive numbers at around 1800MHz so we've got those running too.
What are you getting out of yours? I just mine zcash with mine and it is good for 710sols/s with the right settings.
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#35
Lycanwolfen
cdawallI have already made ROI back on everything I own. Figure out what? That your numbers are so far inflated it isn't even funny...
Wait and see wait and see.

I did gpu mining on scrypt coins years ago NO asic's in sight nothing on the market then they came. Etherum is no different once the price gets to a certain point some company will invent a asic for it. I've been in bitcoin and litecoin for over 5 years. It will happen trust me.
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#36
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
LycanwolfenWait and see wait and see.

I did gpu mining on scrypt coins years ago NO asic's in sight nothing on the market then they came. Etherum is no different once the price gets to a certain point some company will invent a asic for it. I've been in bitcoin and litecoin for over 5 years. It will happen trust me.
I was doing bitcoin back in 2010. The reason no asic exists for Ethereum is simple, you can't use a garbage arm chip for it. That is the entire idea behind Ethereum. Will there at some point be an Asic? Sure. Who cares it swap to PoS in the next few months and wont be profitable to mine for most people anyway. Luckily there are dozens of other lite coins to take a stab at that are just as profitable if not more. After those are all useless we will just see something else emerge. This is all a cycle. Again I have made ROI so all that will happen with me is I have a stack of GPU's I can sell on ebay and profits.

All these cards add for me is a cheaper buy in, a specific driver that increases performance and a higher daily yield. If all I do is end up with less profit from buying them, well it was free money anyway and just something more to write off on my taxes.
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#37
Fouquin
cdawallWhat are you getting out of yours? I just mine zcash with mine and it is good for 710sols/s with the right settings.
Two 1070s a 980 and a 1080 Ti is producing 2,100 sol/s in ZCash. I threw in a pair of 7970s and a Fury X to bring it up to 3,100 sol/s. Total power from all systems is right around 1,900W but I've got access to free power so I'm making haste on scaling the operation as high as it'll go before the difficulty gets too steep.
LycanwolfenI did gpu mining on scrypt coins years ago NO asic's in sight nothing on the market then they came. Etherum is no different once the price gets to a certain point some company will invent a asic for it. I've been in bitcoin and litecoin for over 5 years. It will happen trust me.
Except that won't happen because newer cryptos aren't a single algorithm. The work provided by the network to complete hashes could be any number of algorithms, or require any combination of instructions to complete and submit. So the ASIC would still need to just be a GPGPU or an extremely fast exascale CPU with high bandwidth DRAM and system storage for the blockchain to prove hashes before they submit. Essentially they're designed to be ASIC resistant by simply making an ASIC so expensive to produce that nobody will try. GPU mining is the best option.
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#38
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
FouquinTwo 1070s a 980 and a 1080 Ti is producing 2,100 sol/s in ZCash. I threw in a pair of 7970s and a Fury X to bring it up to 3,100 sol/s. Total power from all systems is right around 1,900W but I've got access to free power so I'm making haste on scaling the operation as high as it'll go before the difficulty gets too steep.
That seems so low. These are my current break outs at the house

980Ti+1080Ti is 1150sol/s
980Ti+980Ti is 900sol/s
1080Ti+1080Ti is 1300sol/s (heavy tdp limit on this one)
1070+1070+1070 is 1240sol/s

My 1060's are still more profitable to run in ethereum so those are all mining that still.

at another located I have 5 more 980Ti's and some other cards that work out to like $45 a day
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#39
Fouquin
cdawallThat seems so low. These are my current break outs at the house

980Ti+1080Ti is 1150sol/s
980Ti+980Ti is 900sol/s
1080Ti+1080Ti is 1300sol/s (heavy tdp limit on this one)
1070+1070+1070 is 1240sol/s

My 1060's are still more profitable to run in ethereum so those are all mining that still.

at another located I have 5 more 980Ti's and some other cards that work out to like $45 a day
980 - 375 sol/s
1070 #1 - 470 sol/s
1070 #2 - 455 sol/s
1080 Ti - 730 sol/s
7970x2 - 511 sol/s
Fury X - 480 sol/s

So average right on 3,000 sol/s but we're seeing random spikes around 3,100 sol/s across the whole setup. Besides one 1070 running a bit slow due to being single-slot it didn't seem low overall compared to the numbers I was seeing online.
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#40
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
Fouquin980 - 375 sol/s
1070 #1 - 470 sol/s
1070 #2 - 455 sol/s
1080 Ti - 730 sol/s
7970x2 - 511 sol/s
Fury X - 480 sol/s

So average right on 3,000 sol/s but we're seeing random spikes around 3,100 sol/s across the whole setup. Besides one 1070 running a bit slow due to being single-slot it didn't seem low overall compared to the numbers I was seeing online.
My cards are all just tweaked for lower power consumption. I could probably pull off more per card, but so much work for so little gain lol
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#43
hat
Enthusiast
I guess I made a good purchase then. I'm glad at least a little bit of luck is on my side.
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#44
yotano211
LycanwolfenYa I know that. But I tried mining that with my 1080 the ROI is way too long.
My new miners cost me 4 grand I made it back in a month.
Bull $hit....there is no machine that will do return on investment in 30 days. Every coin out there the min ROI is about 60 days.
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#45
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
yotano211Bull $hit....there is no machine that will do return on investment in 30 days. Every coin out there the min ROI is about 60 days.
Only oddball being the Microcenter steal on the Zotac 1060 3GB which was 41 days for ROI.
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#46
mtcn77
Lol, couldn't agree more:
NVIDIA's "Pascal" GPU architecture is inherently weaker than AMD's "Polaris" and older Graphics CoreNext architectures at Ethereum mining, owing in part to Pascal's lack of industry-standard asynchronous compute. This didn't deter NVIDIA from innovating a lineup of crypto-mining SKUs based on its existing "Pascal" GPUs.
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#47
ymonster
cdawallSince not all of you are a part of my mining thread. Couple of them have purchase links.
Are there any p104-100 we can buy on internet?
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#48
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
ymonsterAre there any p104-100 we can buy on internet?
I haven't found any even on shady Russian web pages
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#49
Vya Domus
I find this situation hilarious , AMD and Nvidia are hard pressed to give a damn since their cards sell like hot cakes.

These "mining oriented cards" will be a hard sell to some people , without display outputs the resale value essentially goes down to 0. Even if you get ROI people will want to get as much money as possible out of them.

It wont make a difference to the prices either , I am sure the prices of these will inflate like a a balloon too changing nothing and lack of availability will become imminent. All people will want is to get their hands on any card they can find , meant for mining or not.

Meanwhile people who want to game , bad luck. Also can't wait to see microwaved cards flooding the sh market.
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#50
Ruru
S.T.A.R.S.
Cards for toy money. What a joke.
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